Where do I turn to?

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21 Jan 2020 21:45 #348627 by
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Hello there I am having some uncertainties and questioning my faith. I come from a Christian background and am used to being able to look towards the Bible in times of struggle. However where do I turn now? I no longer feel the gravitational pull to the Bible but I am looking for another text of sorts to look towards in my time of uncertainty.

Do we, the Temple of the Jedi Order, have a text, film, reading, or anything like that to look towards in our times of struggle?

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21 Jan 2020 21:56 #348629 by Carlos.Martinez3
Have ya stopped by the library lately ?
https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/library

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21 Jan 2020 22:00 #348631 by OB1Shinobi
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How ‘bout Cartoon Network?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_qvy82U4RE

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21 Jan 2020 22:27 #348638 by Rex
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When you read the Bible looking for solace, did you just flip to a random page and hope it was relevant or did you have certain passages that you relied upon?
There's many myths here, just like the Bible has many books in it.

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21 Jan 2020 22:31 #348639 by
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The force, ... we turn to the force! Let it speak to you! It has much more to say than some dusty ancient book!! And its dynamic!

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21 Jan 2020 22:34 #348640 by Manu
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Miaum Ibiseb wrote: Do we, the Temple of the Jedi Order, have a text, film, reading, or anything like that to look towards in our times of struggle?


No. Jediism is like the scene in Empire Strikes Back, where Luke Skywalker enters the cave in Dagobah. There is no book to comfort you, and no weapon will do.

Embrace the struggle. Once you do, you will find wisdom everywhere, even in the words of fools (such as this one writing to you)

The pessimist complains about the wind;
The optimist expects it to change;
The realist adjusts the sails.
- William Arthur Ward
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21 Jan 2020 22:54 #348647 by
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Thank you so much! It certainly is a large volume I have to choose from. Any suggestions on readings you would consider to be most important or dogma in a way to Jediism?

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21 Jan 2020 22:56 #348648 by
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I suppose I would just flip to random pages or often reread the stories of my childhood that brought me such comfort. Any myths you would recommend?

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21 Jan 2020 23:01 #348650 by Manu
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Miaum Ibiseb wrote: I suppose I would just flip to random pages or often reread the stories of my childhood that brought me such comfort. Any myths you would recommend?


Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? :laugh:

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21 Jan 2020 23:35 #348653 by
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Miaum Ibiseb wrote: Thank you so much! It certainly is a large volume I have to choose from. Any suggestions on readings you would consider to be most important or dogma in a way to Jediism?




Why try talking to a dusty book when you can talk to a real living and interactive friend? Did you ever talk to God? Why is the force different?

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22 Jan 2020 00:31 #348659 by
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My advice would be to continue to take in as much new information as you are comfortable with on a daily basis and then to have complete and honest conversations with yourself regularly. Sometimes the easiest way to work something out is to reassess that which you have learned and have come to know as truth. Often you will discover that your thoughts and feelings about a subject may have changed without your conscious attention and you will gain understanding through contemplation and introspection. I suggest stopping by the library as Carlos.Martinez3 said and reading whatever you feel most drawn to.

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22 Jan 2020 01:25 #348665 by Br. John
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22 Jan 2020 01:31 - 22 Jan 2020 01:39 #348666 by OB1Shinobi
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Here is a more serious reply than my first. We have a Doctrine here but it is frankly inadequate as a comprehensive guide for living (then again, so is the Bible imo but even it is better than our Doctrine). My personal opinion is that youd do best to look to scientists, philosophers, and experts in various mental health fields for answers about the nature of life and reality.

http://www.rebellesociety.com/2019/12/03/jeffbrown-sense/

Warning: Spoiler!

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22 Jan 2020 02:24 #348670 by JamesSand
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I lean heavily on survivorship bias and turn to myself - I figure if I made it this far, I must be smarter than everyone who hasn't.

It's a more or less perfect system (until it isn't, but I'll deal with that then ;) )
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22 Jan 2020 05:08 #348671 by Adder
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It's a good question, difficult to answer succinctly. For me saying the Force is not practical enough, but rather I fall to my path. It is this which best relates to an experience of connection with the Force, but it all depends on the manifestation of distress which determines how focus needs to resolve the imbalance best.

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22 Jan 2020 06:47 #348676 by Rex
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In the end, I don't think anyone here can give you some nugget of wisdom that will cure every single one of your problems.
You can try being a bit more specific and solicit our armchair therapist opinions, or realize there's a certain futility in looking for a perfect panacea.
My 2¢ anyhow

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22 Jan 2020 12:39 #348678 by
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I read a few pages of "365 Tao Daily Meditations" by Deng Ming-Dao every day. It helps center me. When I got to the end I set it aside for a while and missed it so I started at the beginning again. I read this first thing in the morning with my coffee when everything is quiet. Sometimes I listen to music and sometimes I read in silence.

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22 Jan 2020 13:14 #348679 by Manu
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The problem I see with looking for a book to turn to, is that it implies granting authority to an external source, which I assume is useful as a temporary tool to gain a general sense of direction.

We certainly need this external authority as children - when we are totally clueless and cannot match up cause and consequence well enough. But, as we grow, the hallmark of becoming an adult is responsibility, and it is only possible to be responsible if we are free... that is, as long as we rely on some external authority for our compass of morality, we will also place all gratitude - and all blame - on this external source.

Moreso, an external source of morality, because of its general scope, cannot delve into the infinite differences of our human experience. "To become a Jedi, you must confront and go beyond the Dark Side of the Force" is a quote I like from the Return of the Jedi script, and it hints at the fact that we must all individually confront our own darkness. Where an external authority can give you hints and general guidelines, no one outside of yourself will be able to give you exact direction on the particular battles we will all have to face internally.

That said, as a book that clears the point I am trying to relay, I recommend Freedom from the Known by Jiddu Krishnamurti.

Since we are all fighting our own inner battles, you can turn to the member journals to understand better the individual ways that each have come to terms with themselves. Be warned, though, no public journal will ever delve as deep as it could.

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22 Jan 2020 18:24 #348682 by Br. John
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23 Jan 2020 19:42 #348721 by
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Thank you so much for the help everyone. I am now looking at some of the texts within the library. However, I would love the chance to speak with anyone who is more knowledgeable than I, maybe a knight or member of the clergy, as I am still in a time of doubt. If anyone would like to reach out please feel free to.

Thank you all again for your kindness and support. I have found my home with you.

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