Questions for educ admin and council

Serenity wrote:
You should have done the lesson Kyrin , you would probably have been wiser than to start threads to get your way after the fact.

I did do the lesson. Did it make me wiser? What "way" am I trying to get here now? I don't believe I have demanded anything in this thread have I?

I did do the lesson. Did it make me wiser?

I hope so ?

What "way" am I trying to get here now? I don't believe I have demanded anything in this thread have I?

I realise that you want clarity , and guidelines and maybe prevent that something like this does not happen to anyone else. Your case has clearly been investigated thouroughly and i now think that you have to accept that it is what it is. But i do agree with the fact that things are moving slow , maybe too slow. It is confusing , and that can be frustrating. I do wish you the best Kyrin.

I realize that in general, we are trained to deal diplomatic, sometimes verbose responses, that serve the function of addressing a point without making too strong a stand.

But Kyrin likes it rough. :laugh:

When she gets the inflated verbose response, she will pick it apart in an effort to clarify. I once had a boss who did that... I LOVED her, she called us on our BS and demanded straight answers. I got into the habit of answering straight as well.

As long as verbose responses abound, you can bet Kyrin will be there to dismantle them. That IS service (whether it makes you uncomfortable or not).

Serenity,

I have accepted things for what they are a long time ago. This thread is not about me and I am not advocating for myself. This sprung out of another thread where policies and procedures were questioned and this thread was a natural evolution of that. I was the greatest advocate to start it since I was affected the most by the lack of not only procedure but the councils lack of understanding of what little procedure that does exist. I think the simple fact that you have stepped down as well is proof enough that you would agree that you are as tired as many others of us here that bureaucracy and ineptitude is driving the greatest talent away from this temple.

As for the lesson making me wiser, no not really. It just reinforced my position that natural law does not exist. A fact I had explored many lessons ago with Alan but was forced to do again. When that vein continued I began to refuse further lessons. That was all, I was not finding them relevant nor was I getting anything out of them.

Thank you for calling me a great talent :laugh:

People deserve clear rules and guidelines , but there is also the free hand of the TM where he teaches his apprentice skills that said apprentice can use in real life , to serve his Jedi life. I am sorry you fell through the cracks and i am sorry they presented lessons to you that were not taylor made to your talents, because that is what they claim , that the lessons are taylor made to the apprentice , but when it comes down to it , its all arbitrary ...And then when the shit hits the fan , the risk is that the powers that be resort to objective measurements of the lessons , with all consequenses following

True. I lost my mentor and that's were the training for me turned unproductive so I set out in my own path. I eventually ran into senan and great things have come out of that as well. Not many know how to handle an independant spirit that knows what she wants so I have only the greatest respect for those willing to take that on.

I was denied knighthood so I can't teach here. Because I'm not a knight I have no influence in decision making and I'm not eligible for council so I have no available hand in helping set policy. A common complaint is there are not enough willing to help. I think that is not quite true. I just have no avenue to help where I would be best suited and so my only avenue to keep these issues alive is threads like this.