Taking Part in the Process...As an experienced Jedi

Khaos wrote: The past is the past.
They will only judge you as you are presently

Though I could agree with that opinion, I can not agree with your opinion. :blush: I have to mention that the Temple of the Jedi Order is bound to rules, and how good a persons intentions may be, I think that it would not change the policy. Judgement is not only based on how we are, but also on where we stand on the ladder. How unfair this may sound to some.. Please correct me if I tell rubbish, it will be appreciated by me.

Aqua wrote:

Khaos wrote: The past is the past.
They will only judge you as you are presently

Though I could agree with that opinion, I can not agree with your opinion. :blush: I have to mention that the Temple of the Jedi Order is bound to rules, and how good a persons intentions may be, I think that it would not change the policy. Judgement is not only based on how we are, but also on where we stand on the ladder. How unfair this may sound to some.. Please correct me if I tell rubbish, it will be appreciated by me.

You have completely lost me on what your trying to convey.

Intentions are all well and good, but the road to hell is paved with them so im told.

Actions will always speak louder than words, and results will always say more than intentions about an individual.

I think he means influence here is directly correlated to what rank you have.

that would depend on what one means by "influence"

if you want the title or the "authority" then do the work that is set out for earning it

if you want to be some kind of positive influence then do your best to learn from others and to participate in a way that gets people to think

Letting someone skip ahead in rank because of what they have said in the past (when they refused to take the full commitment) sets a dangerous precedent, in my opinion. Will someone who has written books of theory in the past be allowed to skip ahead to Bishop or to the Council based on the same standards? Will we let them train newbies? Many people have had the same ideas about life for as long as the internet has been around. Do they all get bumped to the top? How frightening to suddenly have strangers coming in and taking over an organization where you've pledged your loyalty and trust for years!

There is something to be said for the length of the journey, for proving your sincerity over time. I don't think past writings should be considered at all.

...said the mighty novice, whose opinion is worth as much as what is circling the bottom of her coffee cup xD

Not being a part of the community does not mean that someone has not been following "the path"...

It means that: 1. We brought no prejudice toward other members or sites out there... 2. It means to us, our ideas are new and this is exciting... 3. And, the lack of "acceptance of what IS" and the "intolerance toward others" is flabbergasting if you think about it... lol...

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A common thing I see "old guard" members say, is "ugh, I've done all this!"

One of the first things I discuss with apprentices, is how we have changed throughout our lives...

How a book/movie/subject will mean different things to you at different points in your life...

The movie Madagascar was great, as an adult, there are some adult jokes we missed as kids...

I see things in movies I miss, (such as the Twilight line in the other thread), and catch things I've missed, all the time....

Who doesn't like learning something new? Lol...

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I agree with Khaos...

"Who are you today?"

Our definition of Jedi here doesn't include opportunities for learning being a "waste of time".

Streen - I for one would love to read and learn from what you would write in your IP and Apprenticeship journals I don't know what your time constraints are like but I can't imagine the IP would take you that long . . . and I'm sure you'd have a lot of flexibility in an Apprenticeship to pursue studies that would be entirely consistent with where you are at now. I apologise for my short-sightedness but I can't see what you'd have to lose!

Khaos wrote:
I have no interest in what someone once did.

Except for all the historical, philisophical, religious, and educated leaders of our past as far back as back can go for some that we study not only in the Jedi practices but in every day life and regular schooling practices. History, is part of the human culture.

I see alot of bias in this statment (not just you Khaos but in general) So many here at TOTJO saying "We don't care about what happened" and yet most of the IP is made up of old people from what "Once Was." And most of the Doctrines comes from "The Old Guard" days with very little revision or updating to apparent "Present Changes"

If all we cared about was what we did right now....we would have no hero's and guidelines to follow.

I believe it is important and respectful to honor those that have spent time, years, dedication and effort to the path. People like Streen have indeed earned at least that.

Does that mean he or even I get a free pass? No. Nor would I expect it.

But there IS something to be said about the past as there is about the future and especially the present.

One more thing. In my eexperience of being a former master here then leaving for a long time and coming back. I did not get to just pick up were i left off. I asked for a rank demotion and had to prove myself again by taking on responsibility , catching up and really getting to know people.

So perhaps you could do the same