This Should Be Christian Not Abrahamic (Yes / No)

As one of the fathers or biblical patriarchs, who promoted the whole belief in monotheism, Abraham (ic) sets a more inclusive concept than the more progressive Christianity which like a branch of a great tree presents one development of the same fundamental. Christianity as judaism and Islam are all 100% abrahamic in origin. Without Abraham there would be no Christianity, Judaism or Islam (at least as they stand now). Contrary to Paganism, Jediism or Humanism, the Abrahamic or Buddhist special study group reflect in their respective names the roots or foundation from which the study group origionates.

I like the idea that was brought up about subforums. As stated by others, that would work for all involved. It would bring correct labeling to the forum without leaving anyone out.

If Qui-Ran would agree to be someone in the Judaic Studies, that would be a great situation for all...

Since I have been here since the beginning, I can study, teach, etc. without getting confused... The beginning was a trial... But as we did think back then what would be simplified, we also knew that as items came along we would have to grow with it...

I don't think at this point sub-forums would be a hassel if the Council decides to go that way or how ever we go.

I look forward to seeing more discussion on this..

I think it's okay to call it Abrahamic because if you really study the bible (I being of Christian beliefs and studies) from what I understand from the lines of each religion each one spawned from the line (Genelogy) of Abraham. That is just my option and I don't find it offensive to say that the studies are from either of the other two I don't rally think anyone should be. Forgive me if anyone is by my views I don't want to offend anyone here or start an argument. Point being I think it's fine the way it is.

I hope no one minds me bringing this back to light again, but I was just wondering if there was an agreement on the subject?

From what I can tell quite a few people don't mind the fact that this is called Abrahamic, because the name refers back to the origin of Christianity (although there aren't any non-Christian topics)

Other people wouldn't mind having a set of sub-forums (or similar areas) to discuss the other main areas of Abrahamism under the name Abrahamic rite i.e. Judaism and Islam

That seems to be the general consensus that was arrived at (although someone please make sure I haven't missed anything )

It comes to my understanding that this is primarily a site that focuses on the whole and not simply the part.

I think that "Abrahamic" Is very much accurate of the Christian faith as it such and springs forth from; however aside from my personal opinion does it matter? Who cares if it's labeled Christian, Abrahamic, Buddha, Pentecostal, or Catholicism? You know what you are and your ideals do not change no matter what you label yourself as. The reason why war exists is because of separatism. We are all human beings no matter the belief or non-belief. We are not individuals but merely fragments of the whole... and in that I conclude that change is not necessary in my opinion.

This is a rather old thread...

Anyways may the force be with you.

Greetings Everyone,

I was reading through this thread, and I truly think that it would be the best and most respectful way to handle this situation through different forums/groups -- one for the Christian Studies Group, one for the Jewish Studies Group, and one for the Muslim Studies Group. Based on the the faith that a Jedi follows, if any of these three apply to them it would be specific in content, applicable for the Jedi in question, and would open doors for those who were looking for this particular forum to be a part of. Of course, the activity is based on interest; but having the choice and being valued and respected for each person's interest and faith choice is a positive way of doing things. This is my opinion/suggestion.

I don't care what people call it or describe it as.

I did even notice it when I was looking into the site. I read the content.

I do not put much stock into labels. Many things are labeled something they really aren't. If what religion we are must have a name (for tax purposes or something or what ever) then of course name it. I know it's already named and that possibly changing the name is the question at hand.

I read many good points throughout this thread, and a few funny comments, and I would have to agree with many of them. I would leave it the way it is and add subcategories for clarification. Even though I know it would be a hassle to add all the subcategories one would need to cover all the different groups that might come here. And perhaps more actively search to find people, or text, that could add “teachings” in the subcategories. A council could be formed for that particular task.

And I like what Kawda Dopor said, “It comes to my understanding that this is primarily a site that focuses on the whole and not simply the part.”

Or we could come up with an entirely different label. One that would include no previously established religion but, as accurately as possible, describe the overall belief system of the TOTJO. What that would be, I would have NO idea! I'm not really that articulate or well versed. But, I bet with some thought it could be found. Just throwing out ideas!

No matter what, I'm here for the long haul.

I'd vote Abrahamic if its still being considered, just because they share so much content and therefore could add insight to the same topic, in the same context, but from a different perspective. Unless they got really busy where they started creating their own themes, because seperation might give them a better chance to be coherant in their own subthemes.

I've liked the discussions and definitely some fun comments. I have a different perspective altogether. I have been Christian and Muslim within the past couple of years. I have stopped practicingfor reasons of both belief and culture. Honestly, I think subgroups would be a good idea although I'd be a little concerned about how many Christian denominations would come out with desires for their own. You could get into a crazy situationwhere each denomination wants its own forum. Really, there are branches from all three religions and it could get into a mess of offshoots. I think if we have subforums under the Abrahamic special interest group, it could just be Christianity, Judaism, and Islam and work with the inclusiveness of those three religions as opposed to the sects within the three.

Edit: I misread it (4 am will do that to a person.) I don't agree with segregating anything everything should just be abrahamic. Splitting "Jewish" "Islam" and "Christianity" would be a way to segregate things. I mean you can have a christian up bringing and not worship christ which will instantly make you "non christian" in a sense. Segregation is always bad it's like "This forum topic is for Christians only Jews drink over there." In my opinion everything should be equal and not by creating 3 different subs because essentially they are all the same religion anyways (this comes from a christian converted to Islam.) Any type of segregation (especially uneeded ones) are just that segregation. It would be different if you had religious text fights over who is right then it should be split to prevent it but as far as an unwarented split is sort of like having a "white" water fountain and a "black" water fountain back before Martin Luther King. Doesn't matter what percentages because then it just ends up disrespecting the ".1%" for no reason besides wanting it more of a secluded to "your" (said as a whole" view points.

Just my opinion of course.

I say make your sub interest group... we are Jedi and that makes us one.... I am a practicing Christian (for 35 years) and would love to share with other Christians/ Jedi. If any other faiths jump on through discussions... even better... not that big a deal....

We have a forum for Christian Studies. At least we did. I'm sure it's still here but I'm not seeing it. The holiday really messed up my diet and my blood sugar is crazy. My vision is off so I'm probably looking right over it.

If someone could point it out please?

That was the point of this thread Br. John... I believe...

This forum is called Abrahamic...

It, as well as the Pagan and Buddist all seem to be subforums of the Humanist/Realist...

That's not right...

The should be seperate like the Jediism forum...

As well ad the kids forum, and ladies forums are also of "special" interest...

In my opinion...

We never put it to a vote...

Christian would be a sub forum of the Abrahamic forum...

As well as the Islamic, and whatever...

if there is a change to insue why not meet half way and leave the abrahamic rite for inter religion speaking and us non christians can still speak to christians without some sort of "passing barrier" thought when entering another sub forum and instead create a brand new specific forum for specifically christians. This will create the choice to talk about abraham's religions in general and those who must have a specific sub forum can have theirs. i think this would be a better way to show to the muslim and judiasm followers that this isn't only a christian only forum. This way EVERYONE wins without further segregating things. So in short keep this sub forum the same and add a christian specific sub forum

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That is a valid point...

Instead, create a Christian, Islamic, and Judaism forums, as well as a "open" or combo forum...

However, if I have a question about the Muslim forum, I'm probably going to ask in the Muslim forum...

As I'll ask respectfully, I don't think members of any branch will have issues with it...

We talked about this, but the Muslim and Judaism forums will be empty for a while... or will take longer to fill... Not really a big deal, just a statement....

Written in orange, cause I like orange, and it looked really good in the old site.... I use blue too sometimes for the same reason...

Jestor wrote: That is a valid point...

Instead, create a Christian, Islamic, and Judaism forums, as well as a "open" or combo forum...

However, if I have a question about the Muslim forum, I'm probably going to ask in the Muslim forum...

As I'll ask respectfully, I don't think members of any branch will have issues with it...

We talked about this, but the Muslim and Judaism forums will be empty for a while... or will take longer to fill... Not really a big deal, just a statement....

Written in orange, cause I like orange, and it looked really good in the old site.... I use blue too sometimes for the same reason...

Well because of the length it will take to fill up these smaller parts of the forum I say the combined forum should be everything but aso be especially for mulsim and judiasm just because we can still look like tho forum alive instead of lets say just me posting in the Islam folder until more Muslims come (and that is if they do come which is harder to get muslims in honestly because of cultural and background difference compared to christianity which is 77% of america.) Honestly I don't want to end up talking to myself ha. And as for the Judiasm I think that should also be combined in the multi abrahamic forum because of number reason which 3 Jewish guys talking on a empty forum lol. So much easier just to have Abrham's and a seperate christian because christianity is way high in numbers in europe and america. So jst keep this forum and only add a new christian forum. I believe no real complaints will take place if this sub forum remains and a new christian one (and only a christian one) is built otherwise you have 2 very dead sub forums where everyonce in awhile you have me pop up randomly and go "Guess what? New today in the World of Islam blah blah blah" and I'll just end up talking to myself

I don't know if this is still an issue, but I thought I'd comment regardless, especially in the wake of the Buddhist rite being opened to all Eastern faiths. I firmly believe that this SIG should remain listed as Abrahamic. Sure, there are plenty of Christians, and that's peachy, but this isn't a Christian gathering space. This is a space for Jedi who are learning about/practice a certain Abrahamic religion. If it's Christian, then they can be as Christian as they want. But if a Jedi wants to explore Islam or Judaism, that should be just as valid a discussion point within this SIG as any Christian-based discussion. It's not about the numbers, it's about the study and discussion of the faiths involved. Just as all Pagan religions are open for discussion, be it Wiccan, Druid, or other, and every Eastern religion, be it Buddhist, Taoist, or other, should be just as valid a discussion topic.

To sum it up: every single Jedi here might be Christian, but the point of these Special Interest Groups is to explore religions alongside and in tandem with Jediism, not the other way around. Just my two cents.

Aceboizor wrote: I don't know if this is still an issue, but I thought I'd comment regardless, especially in the wake of the Buddhist rite being opened to all Eastern faiths. I firmly believe that this SIG should remain listed as Abrahamic. Sure, there are plenty of Christians, and that's peachy, but this isn't a Christian gathering space. This is a space for Jedi who are learning about/practice a certain Abrahamic religion. If it's Christian, then they can be as Christian as they want. But if a Jedi wants to explore Islam or Judaism, that should be just as valid a discussion point within this SIG as any Christian-based discussion. It's not about the numbers, it's about the study and discussion of the faiths involved. Just as all Pagan religions are open for discussion, be it Wiccan, Druid, or other, and every Eastern religion, be it Buddhist, Taoist, or other, should be just as valid a discussion topic.

To sum it up: every single Jedi here might be Christian, but the point of these Special Interest Groups is to explore religions alongside and in tandem with Jediism, not the other way around. Just my two cents.

I agree. My signature professes my 'rite' to be Christian but I still consider my SIG to be Abrahamic. Just because almost all of the Abrahamic SIG members are Christian doesn't mean that we wont have an unexpected influx of people from other Abrahamic religions. Or even if it was only one person, they should still be able to find a home in the SIGs. Inclusiveness for all! Plus the nature of a Special Interest Group is that surely you shouldn't have to be a member of the religion to be in the SIG - you might just be interested in learning more about it - all Abrahamic view points should therefore be up for discussion.

Not sure whether it is still an issue though, I haven't seen/heard it discussed at any point.