Meeting of the Clergy August 28, 2022 7PM GMT/ 12 PM PST

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 8:55:59 AM
<@&493389717748973569> don't forget. There is a meeting 3 hours from now

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 9:05:59 AM
Will there be tea ? ?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 9:06:16 AM
Yes

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 9:06:29 AM
yay ! ?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 11:40:16 AM
Sweet Tea

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 11:40:42 AM
Greetings all

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 11:43:56 AM
@here

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 11:49:24 AM
will the meeting be here?

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 11:50:39 AM
only if there's tea ?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 11:51:25 AM
Does virtual tea count?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 11:51:36 AM
Hello Alex

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 11:51:50 AM
May your day be blessed

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 11:52:04 AM
thanks Carlos... it is

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 11:52:07 AM
cheers

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 11:52:42 AM
Right back at ya!

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 11:53:46 AM
Do you take your tea any special way?

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 11:54:40 AM
I like a bit of sugar and a drop of milk

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 11:54:50 AM
Noted

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 11:55:13 AM
we are looking at goats for milk for the farm this week

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 11:56:00 AM
Fresh milk and cheese is a attainable thing round here lol

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 11:57:14 AM
goat cheese is actually healthier for us that cows' milk cheese

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 11:57:31 AM
and sheep

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 11:57:40 AM
That is what "they" say

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 11:59:23 AM
? well, ... yes 'they' do

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 11:59:37 AM
who are 'they', Carlos ?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:00:29 PM
Well the "they" I was referring are the proverbial make believe idea of the common thought which it is not.

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:00:34 PM
Hello hello, who is all here?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:00:43 PM
Present

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:00:56 PM
?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:01:38 PM
<@&493389717748973569> the meeting will start shortly

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:01:47 PM
like in 5 minutes

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:02:56 PM
To Alex -the they in this case is the Mormon mom site my wife finds recipes from

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:03:25 PM
They - recommend goats over cows

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:03:39 PM
For small homesteading that is

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:03:52 PM
'they' can be about as pléonastic as 'you' or 'it'

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:04:16 PM
but in this case, the 'they' are several nutritionists I know

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:04:54 PM
Nods understandable, and it is good to know its not just hear say too

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:05:33 PM
Hello

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:05:49 PM
So I want I want to be respectful of the time

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:05:54 PM
Hello Rosalyn

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:06:03 PM
people who pop in can contribute

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:06:17 PM
and we are going to have other meetings like this as well

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:06:47 PM
That said I wanted to help set the intention for this meeting with the Code in its Yet Form

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:07:11 PM
so if everyone present could repeat (type) after me

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:07:22 PM
Emotion, Yet Peace

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:07:34 PM
Emotion, yet peace

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:07:56 PM
Emotion, yet peace

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:08:05 PM
Ignorance, Yet Knowledge

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:08:07 PM
Ignorance, yet knowledge

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:08:13 PM
Ignorance, yet knowledge

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:08:47 PM
Passion, Yet Serenity

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:08:49 PM
Passion, yet Serénité

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:08:49 PM
Passion, yet Serenity

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:09:11 PM
Chaos, Yet Harmony

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:09:14 PM
Chaos, yet Harmony

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:09:23 PM
Chaos, yet Harmonie

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:09:40 PM
Death, Yet the Force

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:09:43 PM
Death, yet the Force

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:09:51 PM
Death, yet the Force

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:10:02 PM
Thank you

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:10:24 PM
Now, the only item on the agenda is the Bylaws

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:10:34 PM
2 points of order concerning them

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:11:00 PM
1. Behavior unbecoming is too broad and can lead to a level of fear to speak

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:11:09 PM
lets discuss this please

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:11:23 PM
Should it be rewritten, or stricken

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:11:30 PM
strike it

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:11:30 PM
May I ask why is it too broad?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:12:09 PM
Zantham Storm, a member of the clergy from quite a while ago had concerns

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:12:17 PM
I'll grab what he wrote

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:12:17 PM
I read that

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:13:08 PM
Like I told Ros, if someone does something so heinous as to get defrocked from clergy, we'll probably just put them out of the TotJO

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:13:17 PM
The purposes of the rule or the existence of behavior unbecoming is to be able to catch some one doing wrong or hold them accountable right?

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:13:30 PM
it makes it a little senseless to have that rule

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:13:30 PM
well

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:13:35 PM
it adds a redundancy

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:13:36 PM
rigth Alex isnt that what the rules are for?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:13:43 PM
I see that Alex

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:14:01 PM
there is such rarity of clergy behaving poorly that it might not be needed

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:14:28 PM
99.9% of the time, clergy do well

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:14:44 PM
anyhow here is the quote from Zantham

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:14:47 PM
"The highlighted sections appear to be attempting to put limits on what people say even outside of the Temple and without intent while not representing the Temple. While I do not agree with this, it would be worth giving examples or being specific with these things."

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:15:01 PM
well here is the thing as well Ros

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:15:32 PM
Zero just brought something up

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:15:40 PM
This particular Temple is the Granting body which NEEDS rules and accountability

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:15:47 PM
and that is that all members are held to the rules of moderation

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:15:54 PM
yes

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:15:57 PM
which includes behavior unbecoming

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:16:13 PM
so having it here as well is unnecessary, wouldn't you agree?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:16:29 PM
yup

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:16:34 PM
ok

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:16:54 PM
so as Alex suggested, are we striking just this section?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:17:05 PM
nods I concur and understand the need

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:17:12 PM
for ease, let me pull the section in question

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:17:18 PM
I don't want the moderators necessarily policing the clergy either

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:17:24 PM
"Behavior Unbecoming which is defined as any behavior that is seen to be outside of the standards set for a Jedi including but not limited to :inappropriate public engagement while representing the Order, inappropriate engagement with members with or without the intent to cause harm, and breaking the rules of moderation."

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:17:36 PM
They "police" the whole temple

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:17:51 PM
necessarily, clergy are under the same "rules"

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:17:52 PM
even *without* the intent to cause harm ?

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:17:55 PM
really ?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:18:13 PM
hey, to be fair, I sent this to you like 5 times

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:18:21 PM
Ros, just strike the section

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:18:23 PM
Moderators are amd should be the rule keepers not enforcers I think buts thats fro another day

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:18:24 PM
yes, I know

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:18:30 PM
I'm going to

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:18:31 PM
we even read it together

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:18:40 PM
Strike it

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:18:48 PM
Cheers, guys

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:18:58 PM
and yes, Ros, I do forget things ?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:19:06 PM
its stricken

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:19:29 PM
lol

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:19:54 PM
ok next thing

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:20:17 PM
you made me lol the kids are napping i think it woke them lol 2 seconds pls

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:20:36 PM
Thank you

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:21:16 PM
Here's the next thing:
"Similarly to how we got away from Deacon, Priests and Bishop" in 2017, we're floating the idea of changing our cleric leadership roles to 'Consular' for example Lead Consular, Associate Consular, Consular of Spiritual Care, Consular of Seminary". Obviously, Consular and Councillor are too similar to work, so we were wondering about changing "Council" to "Board of Directors" and "Councillors" to "Board Members". What do you think?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:21:44 PM
I use Pastor

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:22:17 PM
yes, however, it does have a "christian" ring

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:22:37 PM
greek

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:22:52 PM
pastor/parson/person = personae

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:22:56 PM
(mask)

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:23:12 PM
Do I look Cristian to you lol joking but is there a better term?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:23:38 PM
well that may be, but the majority of people are going to think "Pastor" like "old country preacher"

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:23:52 PM
and I thought we were trying to get away from that

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:23:58 PM
I really am out of my sort when choosing names for titles, its really not my thing

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:24:11 PM
Call it what you like I have no beef with the title

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:24:35 PM
A few years ago, we pondered the idea of "Magister"

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:24:56 PM
I remember that discussion

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:25:22 PM
I got nothing for yall on the subject sorry

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:25:52 PM
Thing is, I like Consular as well...

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:26:01 PM
I don't find it too close to Councillor

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:26:07 PM
lets use that one then

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:26:09 PM
so it looks like it would be

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:26:09 PM
they are utterly different words

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:26:42 PM
im not sure how its going to pan out

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:26:53 PM
because it may be that we can get rid of the OCP

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:27:04 PM
and just use Consular instead

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:27:09 PM
like

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:27:15 PM
why get rid of OCP Just two tier?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:27:23 PM
no listen please

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:28:12 PM
hmmm

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:28:31 PM
actually I do know we need that three teir

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:29:32 PM
so, once one is licensed, their just a LM

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:29:37 PM
like we have already

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:29:56 PM
but then instead of OCP it would be "Consular"

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:30:15 PM
and Sr. OCP would be "Senior Consular"

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:30:36 PM
and then????? I m joking that does sound right

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:31:00 PM
and then we could have "super sayan consular"

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:31:09 PM
i kid

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:31:11 PM
shaking my head

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:31:25 PM
funny

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:32:20 PM
why not "High Consular" to differentiate it a bit from "Senior Knight"

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:32:20 PM
im trying to think is there anything else

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:32:40 PM
because I don't smoke ganja

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:32:48 PM
i mean idk

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:33:00 PM
I think thats a bit high falutin

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:33:01 PM
High counslar sounds ....army like like too high ....

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:33:18 PM
Like ego high

Alexandre Orion#68538/28/2022 12:33:23 PM
?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:36:11 PM
Are we in agreement over the names ?Consular - can we post that and give a deadline for feed back for the general clergy?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:38:10 PM
Yes

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:38:13 PM
I can do that

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:38:56 PM
Thank you

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:39:05 PM
oh if we do get that, we are also going to be having to change the office names

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:39:14 PM
right?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:39:24 PM
why ?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:39:28 PM
Pastor, Associate Pastor, a blah blah

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:39:35 PM
ohhh

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:39:37 PM
I thought that was the goal

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:39:46 PM
yes sprry

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:39:49 PM
sorry

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:39:53 PM
to get away from the "I already know what you do"

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:39:58 PM
nods

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:40:03 PM
with that in mind, lets go over them

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:40:45 PM
So Carlos, your office is Pastor

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:41:02 PM
your office used to include : VP of Clerical Affairs

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:41:28 PM
What is it now? with ALL the new changes?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:41:43 PM
hmmm

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:41:53 PM
well, what do you like to do?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:42:08 PM
or what are you gifted in?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:42:19 PM
Is that how we will do the offices?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:42:28 PM
I know Jacob had asked for us to get to a more round table way

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:42:35 PM
where no one is above another

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:42:35 PM
fully definable offices by those who are in them?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:42:47 PM
im not sure

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:43:31 PM
Thats what you are asking

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:44:01 PM
it could be Sr. Consular

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:44:06 PM
the definitions of the offices should be minimum and understandable and have a way to grow

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:44:06 PM
your title

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:44:11 PM
rigth on

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:44:13 PM
so would mine

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:44:19 PM
and so would jacobs

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:44:20 PM
in the title is the job discriptin

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:44:48 PM
or vice versa cant remember which but yes ...right?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:45:48 PM
I just know Jacob wanted us to get on equal footing

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:47:19 PM
I have a question , why do the descriptions need to be changed if its just a name change?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:47:39 PM
hmm

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:48:01 PM
Just change the names not the job dicriptions

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:48:19 PM
so the office (detailed in the bylaws) still have some questionable naming conventions

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:48:50 PM
I'm not talking about the ranks.

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:49:01 PM
Those I believe we decided would be Consular

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:49:13 PM
in synod

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:49:45 PM
in synod what?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:50:11 PM
the Lcp

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:50:16 PM
what?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:50:41 PM
ocp and Snr ocp are decided by Synod vote and appointment rigth?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:50:51 PM
Hey Losckley!!!

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:50:57 PM
Carlos...what?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:51:06 PM
ok

Locksley#18308/28/2022 12:51:16 PM
Blast, I always have 100 things to do on days when these sorts of mertings arise.

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:51:19 PM
it looks like we are talking about two different things

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:51:22 PM
Will that change?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:51:37 PM
let me just...repeat myself

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:51:39 PM
Ok

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:51:44 PM
from now on

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:51:52 PM
Our Clerical Ranks will be

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:51:56 PM
LCP

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:52:10 PM
Ordained Consular

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:52:18 PM
and Sr Consular

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:52:29 PM
a rank is different then an office

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:52:54 PM
not OCP but We are gunna call it Counselor

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:53:04 PM
yes

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:53:10 PM
im tracking

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:53:14 PM
now ...

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:53:19 PM
instead of using OCP and Sr. OCP

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:53:32 PM
we will now have Consular and Sr Consular

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:53:36 PM
those are titles

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:53:41 PM
not offices

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:53:42 PM
for ranks

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:53:45 PM
yes

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:53:48 PM
now

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:53:52 PM
ok im still tracking you

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:54:04 PM
LET US TALK ABOUT THE OFFICE TITLES

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:54:09 PM
please

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:54:18 PM
synod office titles

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:54:43 PM
we have

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:54:47 PM
Pastor

Locksley#18308/28/2022 12:54:50 PM
Will we have notes on this written up in Gdocs or similar? Despite being an hour late, lol, I'd love to try to be part of the discussion. ?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:54:57 PM
Associate Pastor

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:55:03 PM
yes

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:55:38 PM
Pastor for Pastoral Care

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:56:04 PM
and VP of Clerical Affairs

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:56:11 PM
4 synod offices

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:56:25 PM
and Pastor for Seminary

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:56:32 PM
SO

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 12:56:32 PM
gotcha 5

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:56:49 PM
"we" know we are "round table-y"

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:57:15 PM
but from the outside we may look a bit like a ratchet triangle

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:57:29 PM
some of that is my fault, right?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:57:52 PM
because I came in a bit like a wrecking ball as VP (again)

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 12:58:51 PM
so I guess my main goal is to figure out how to show the rest of the temple, on paper (which is what the bylawss are ) how round table--y we are

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:01:04 PM
The temple public is allowed in the clergy meetings right?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:01:24 PM
no?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:01:46 PM
do you hear what I'm saying when I say "on paper"?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:02:02 PM
yes

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:02:13 PM
ok I mean organizationally

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:02:23 PM
just so we are clear

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:02:28 PM
It may be my own fault but I do not know what is wrong with them now.

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:03:08 PM
maybe I am not explaining myself well enough

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:03:20 PM
I'll try bullet points

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:03:22 PM
do the by laws need to make more sence?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:03:31 PM
are they confusing ?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:03:42 PM
boy that would be great

Locksley#18308/28/2022 1:07:10 PM
Would these meetings be better served by being live audio/video in the future? I don't know if I'm the only one but, after having just read through the whole thread, I'm confused by a lot of the backround. And through text it's a lot easier for misunderstandings and miscommunication to happen.


Here's what I understand:
- Role names of clergy are being changed
- There's some discussion of what happens with moderators and moderation?
- Something further (what?) is happenng with the bylaws? (Possibly focused on the behavior unbecoming section).

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:08:23 PM
the first thing discussed was removing the section on behavior unbecoming from the bylaws

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:08:27 PM
that was done

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:08:51 PM
2nd thing discussed was changing the rank names to consular and senior consular

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:09:02 PM
as opposed to OCP and Senior OCP

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:09:43 PM
it'll be up or discussion

Locksley#18308/28/2022 1:09:47 PM
I think this came through, but I lacked clarity of background information on why this was changed.

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:10:30 PM
ah ok

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:10:54 PM
toward the beginning there was discussion that it was too vague and can trip people up

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:11:02 PM
or cause a level of fear

Locksley#18308/28/2022 1:11:11 PM
This makes sense and seems simple enough.

Will there also be a change of the "Councillor" role to board member? I liked the clarity of that and the separation of admin from the philosophical leadership that such a switch implies.

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:11:48 PM
Im not sure how likely there will be a change from Councillor to Board member

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:11:59 PM
No thats not a Clergy synod decision there

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:12:08 PM
Clergy by laws are fro clergy

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:12:24 PM
temple by laws for temple

Locksley#18308/28/2022 1:12:58 PM
Mainly just confusion, haha. I rarely have much time to devote to TotJO meetings and, when I try, the lack of depth of clarity can make it hard to be an active voice. Not anyone's fault!! Just a simple matter of a broad and busy back-stage discussion that someone like me might not be privvy to.

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:14:16 PM
i mean the beginning of the meeting

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:14:58 PM
what do the synod by laws need, clarity?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:15:05 PM
in defition of offices?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:15:22 PM
no we need new office titles

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:15:34 PM
not dicriptions?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:15:46 PM
not descriptions

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:15:52 PM
sweet

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:16:39 PM
Pasotr - Head blah blah blah

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:16:51 PM
associate Assocuat blah blah blah

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:17:03 PM
what are you "Head Blah Blah of, Carlos"

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:17:08 PM
Seminary - Dean of seminary

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:17:22 PM
Pastor Head Counslar

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:17:34 PM
associate counslar

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:17:43 PM
Dean

Locksley#18308/28/2022 1:17:54 PM
Well, I'll check a notes document for this meeting when it's made available and _try_ to be present for the next one.

Hope everyone's doing well!

Locksley#18308/28/2022 1:18:22 PM
Must fly now, Sunday's a busy day for me. ?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:18:49 PM
Vp of the synod and Councilar of pastoral care or outreach

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:18:59 PM
how does that sound fro starts?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:19:08 PM
ok that sounds good

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:19:19 PM
can we please use Dean of seminary?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:19:27 PM
is that legid?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:19:32 PM
Thats what it is

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:19:48 PM
so let me just

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:21:14 PM
here is my beef with all this too Ros- for legal parts we still need the titles OCP fro clergy records as in each minister will keep their own logs with their own state which means OCP what do we do with that part?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:22:01 PM
OCP is the legal parts of clergy which are a nessesity as the regulating body

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:22:07 PM
sure

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:22:25 PM
we know that our consulars would be ordained clergy persons

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:22:31 PM
yes

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:22:38 PM
does it need to be present on the site?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:22:49 PM
legally i am not sure

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:22:58 PM
or can we just give them a certificate of ordination

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:23:09 PM
it wasn't when I first joined

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:23:23 PM
back when there were "deacons, bishops, etc)

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:23:34 PM
but I can see the concern

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:23:51 PM
i would say yes to be but thats a REN worthy question safe

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:24:14 PM
thats worth validating

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:24:27 PM
why is it a ren question

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:24:34 PM
he does system admin

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:24:44 PM
it would better be a john question

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:24:46 PM
and the legal stuff right?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:24:50 PM
no

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:24:55 PM
yes! you are correct

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:25:01 PM
thank you

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:25:23 PM
im getting feedback that what we call people is irrelevant

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:25:31 PM
we'll call them consulars

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:25:35 PM
I have to show my certificate before visiting Jails and such

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:25:45 PM
but we will ordain them and give them a certificate as such

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:25:51 PM
but its the cert that gets you the legal things off line

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:25:55 PM
sure

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:26:00 PM
Rex!!!

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:26:06 PM
thats what I'm saying

purplepimpwagon#38748/28/2022 1:26:12 PM
You can call them consulars so long as they also get the ocp suffix

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:26:22 PM
!!!

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:26:26 PM
Kobe!

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:26:32 PM
Rex fro the win lol jokin g

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:26:40 PM
well the certificate wont change

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:26:53 PM
it is called a certificate of ordination

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:27:09 PM
and we can put the OCP in the name

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:27:25 PM
eg : Rosalyn Johnson, OCP

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:27:36 PM
PERFECT

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:27:40 PM
cool

purplepimpwagon#38748/28/2022 1:27:48 PM
Or Rev. Rosalyn "Ratchet Grocery Bag" Johnson

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:28:13 PM
ah I forgot the illustiuous new title

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:28:37 PM
Rev. RRGBJ! ill pass on that one

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:30:02 PM
here is the thing though ...willl it have to change in the tempe by laws?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:30:14 PM
the titles ?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:31:17 PM
are there some we can not chnage?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:31:24 PM
just wondering

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:32:19 PM
and I am running out of time as well Ros I do apologize

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:34:49 PM
Im not sure what you are getting at

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:35:21 PM
we CAN change the title of Pastor and Accosiate rigth?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:35:27 PM
and such

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:36:48 PM
It will have to go to Council but we can change the names, correct?

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:37:07 PM
JK!

J. K. Barger#86438/28/2022 1:37:23 PM
Sorry I’m late y’all, family day ?


Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:37:38 PM
Many blessings your way JK!

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:37:42 PM
I am assuming we can change the names

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:37:53 PM
but yes, it will need to be discussed

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:37:57 PM
ok

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:38:13 PM
<@273871526858850305> how much have you read?

J. K. Barger#86438/28/2022 1:38:25 PM
Thank you kindly? Forgive me, I’ll have to catch up here in a few.

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:38:36 PM
ok

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:38:44 PM
just a quick summary then

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:38:45 PM
Do we have more on the adgenda today Ros?

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:38:58 PM
1. we removed the behavior unbecoming from the bylaws

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:39:14 PM
2. We discussed changing clerical ranks to Consular

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:39:17 PM
and

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:39:33 PM
3. We discussed changing office names to "Head of ----

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:39:51 PM
think I got all of that

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:40:19 PM
that said, thank you all for coming today

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:40:21 PM
I did ask if we could use" Dean for the seminary " Or something similar too

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:40:27 PM
oh yes

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:40:52 PM
Dean of Seminary for "Ass, Pastor of Seminary"

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:41:03 PM
yea!!!!

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:41:09 PM
with that I just want to say thank you all for coming

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:41:33 PM
I got till 4 today my time so till the end of the hour

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:41:34 PM
it was a long meeting, but I think it was a good meeting and I can't wait to do this again

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:41:43 PM
Whoot whoot

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:42:03 PM
I will say, even if we don't have anything on the agenda, lets meet again next month

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:42:18 PM
it doesn't have to be a business meeting

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:42:40 PM
it can just be a clergy hangout meeting

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:42:56 PM
with TEA im told or its a no go

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:43:05 PM
right

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:43:22 PM
That said, I want to go ahead and call this meeting to a close

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:43:26 PM
lol im down one a month minimum

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:43:31 PM
I've got another at the top of the hour

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:43:34 PM
thank you all

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:43:47 PM
Summary and transcript will be posted soon

Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:44:11 PM
thank you Rosalyn
are
Carlos the Third#61488/28/2022 1:44:24 PM
May the Force be with Y'all

Rosalyn j#15968/28/2022 1:44:30 PM
and also with you