Sith and True Power?

I have been reading into the "Sith" philosophy trying to understand their view on things to see how they differ from my own.

I keep coming across the term Power. They talk of gaining true power and that it leads to victory etc.

Can someone help me understand? What is true power to a sith? What does a sith believe power is?

THis is a jedi site... How the Sith see things would be guesses, or very limited from the few Sith who are here....

It would be like me saying "Tess likes it when dolphins smack their faces on the water"...

If I was to just make an assumption on you, based on what I know, such as your profile picture...

Who can say why another does what they do? Except that person, of course...

That is very true Jestor. Thank you for the advice.

It is doubtful that what you are reading was written by a true Sith.

When one focuses on 'power' in this way, it is generally seen as ego-driven, control-driven and activity-driven will. This may appear to be 'power', yet whatever that power - the ability to "do" -, is applied to could not be very lasting. Here is a simple model : take the t'ai chi (the symbol for yin-yang) and chop off the black half. One no longer has a symbol for anything ; one has a dead fish.

No true Sith would make this error. True Sith know that there is an equilibrium to 'power'.

:huh:

Just be very careful what you study ...

Just be very careful what you study ...

Or at least ask the people who wrote it.

Thats just common decency,and respect.

Alexandre, nothing is lasting,and so what?

Am I dead fish because one day I will be more or less fertilizer for insects?

We "true" Sith make plenty of errors.

I would even doubt our teachings and "philosophy" is error free.

Could anyone else say different?

If your looking for error free, then dont come to a Sith site.

Of course, an error in Jedi philosophy is not the same across the board for a Sith.

Also, the yin-yang symbol is a poor model to use, as we dont actually use such symbolism or models.

That whole thing is a dead fish to me.

So, as far as 'errors' go -- there could have been one of mine.

:dry:

It has been 19 years since I've had to deal with a Sith on a daily basis ...


... I may be a little rusty. :blush:

Khaos wrote: Alexandre, nothing is lasting,and so what?

Am I dead fish because one day I will be more or less fertilizer for insects?

+1000 for placing the real life and real life future importance of real life over the real life importance of afterlives.

Sith or Jedi, power is much the same. I've said this before but...

True power is what you experience when you give yourself over wholly to the Force, surrendering to it. Whether that surrender leads to Sith or Jedi behavior depends on what is in your heart.

Khaos, you almost make me wish I was Sith sometimes to be quite honest.

Alexandre, I thought the overall message of your post was a wonderful one! We most certainly should be careful what we study and we should be careful how we look at symbols and "power."

symbols, like words, only have as much meaning/power as the perceiver gives them...

power is different to each person,for me it's a bit complex/difficult to describe as it can be something that has some sort of hold over one,it can be physical, emotional, spiritual,intellectual, etc...

but yes everyone should always be aware/careful of what they study...if you study something you're not ready for the results can be terrible...likewise a mentor/teacher should be careful of what they teach...if they teach someone something they're not ready for...same bad end...in the natural flow of things, we learn what we need when we need it and are ready for it...

Khaos wrote: Also, the yin-yang symbol is a poor model to use, as we dont actually use such symbolism or models.

That whole thing is a dead fish to me.

One doesn't need to "use" the symbol for what it represents to still apply, especially one that illustrates that which takes place unconditionally within the universe anyway. Any symbol is only as poor as one's own realization to how it may be applied to them.

One doesn't need to "use" the symbol for what it represents to still apply, especially one that illustrates that which takes place unconditionally within the universe anyway. Any symbol is only as poor as one's own realization to how it may be applied to them.

I honestly have no idea what your trying to say here.

And im not speaking of the universe.

I also dont happen to think such takes place unconditionally in the universe, so I wouldnt mind if you stopped assuming everyone shares your worldview.

Lol, and perhaps it is poor only in contrast to our realization of how it is applied to us, and yet, im sure alot of our work, symbols, and ideas you would find apply poorly here. I also doubt you would like to apply them.

*Shugs*

Like I said, its not a symbol we use, nor do we place value in it.


Anyway, power...

Power :

1.the ability to do something or act in a particular way, esp. as a faculty or quality.
"the power of speech"
synonyms: ability, capacity, capability, potential, faculty, competence More
"the power of speech"
antonyms: inability
2.
the capacity or ability to direct or influence the behavior of others or the course of events.


Not really that complicated to explain at all, though I know how this place hates definitions. However I find them useful for the sake of communication. not only of myself, but the Sith path. As you now have a very clear idea of what im talking about.

To attempt to act in a particular way, or expand ones capacity, and ability to influence the world around them(people, course of events), and expand on it(the scale), or have a better awareness of it.

Will, it last?

Possibly no, if not by death,sickness,retirement,screwing up, losing awareness, burning bridges, etc.

Like when I wasnt a nurse, I didnt have the same power. I gained the ability to influence people, and my surroundings in a much more profound way after becoming a nurse.

Expansion and more ability to influence the world around me, and the people in it.

I have saved lives, literally.

Simple really.

I leave you to contemplate the universe now.

Power is relative.

I believe in willpower.

I believe that there is power in acknowledging our flaws...and accepting them.

I believe that there is power in understanding.

But I also believe that power lies in wealth and influence. People who have the means to influence those around them certainly have a kind of power.

But power is a broad term, that encompasses many meanings, which take on special meanings for every individual.

I wouldn't get too caught up on the idea of power, and if you plan on pursuing training here, I certainly wouldn't get too hung up on other people's notions of power, either.

As for me, i'll take an indomitable will over influence of other people on a large scale any day.

Does the nurse really have power though, or just capability. I think the definition of power requires a capacity to exert controlling influence and not just a capacity to exert influence. Sure saving a life is a fantastically humane token of influence because it is juxtapositions with death - it sounds like your responsible for life over death and therefore powerful... but I think that is using emotions to distort the actual relationships between capability, authority and application of the action.

The nurse is doing what they are told as their work administrator has the power, and IMO it only becomes an expression of power by the nurse if they choose to defy that authority power and take their own decision to say do something else, eg kill someone instead of save them. That would then be an expression of power by the nurse, otherwise they are just doing the work for someone else and being compensated for it with money!?

Now perhaps for a Sith path the concept of power is in fact the emotion capability of the action, and in which case being a nurse and dealing with life and death might create a fantastic emotional connection within themselves to access some concept of 'true' power, but simple definitions can be more likely to mislead then enlighten IMO.

What Adder, that was powerful!

That is not a joke

Thoughtful
Thorough
Clear

Thank You!

Angelus, and what is the point or purpose of willpower or an indomitable will, if not to exert influence? Over yourself, others, etc?

Like having the will to say no to drugs for example.

Does the nurse really have power though, or just capability.I think the definition of power requires a capacity to exert controlling influence and not just a capacity to exert influence. Sure saving a life is a fantastically humane token of influence because it is juxtapositions with death - it sounds like your responsible for life over death and therefore powerful... but I think that is using emotions to distort the actual relationships between capability, authority and application of the action.

You think capability and capacity are mutually exclusive?

Lol, and this isnt a matter of being responsible for life over death. However, when someone codes, there dead unless I exert my influence, period. Precisely because I have the capability and capacity. Its a controlling influence no matter how you try to dance around the definition.

I do not have delusions of granduer, I have had people die on me too...

Which is why I am not claiming ultimate power, or power of life over death.

Yes, my administrator has power over me,hell, my child has a measure of power over me. However I am not talking about absolute power, just an ability to influence and effect/ change things and people within my sphere of influence. Again, using the definition to communicate exactly what it means.

However, if this conversation is going to degenerate into the TOTJO members trying to redefine a word either for arguments sake, or because they lack the vocabulary,knowledge, or life experience, to use the correct words for what they wish to communicate, id rather not insult my intelligence.

Double posted, sorry.

Mareeka wrote: Thoughtful
Thorough
Clear

Thank You!

A change from my usual you mean :lol:

Sometimes I don't understand what I am thinking about.... :whistle:

Lol . . .

First, "What" was supposed to be WOW, my error!

Next,

no . . i didn't mean a comparison to anything in the past.

Powerful, as in appropriately perfect to the topic and it moved me.

Maybe even the synthesis of many aspects presented in this thread . . . :dry:

Now that icon means . . . pondering to me!