ranking and threads

i know ranking is not important, but i would also know that on the forums if there were a place for masters, knights, and padwans, people would be placed more. rank to a point is important because even though we can learn from everyone. some would like to talk to masters and knights and padwans in a place on this forum. we could some how arrange that if you are one you can register to that thread so that way if someone new comes in they can see who is who. ranking does bring something, look at the cathlics. pope, bishope, priest, these are not all the rankings but i hope you get the point. we should have a place where it says who is the council, who is a master, a knight, and a padwan, or just a student. this wouldnt stop people from getting advice nor will it bring some kind of power that people try to take advantge. i mean this is just a suggestion, but i think it will bring something new to the table. also on these forums we can have classes and requirments so people will always have a place to learn. the more knowlege the better. thats what i feel. i hope this brings something good to the order if we go this rought. BR. John i would love to hear you're input on this.
may the force be with you all.

There is a good way already in place for ranking to be established and bestowed. There has also been some talk both ways, for and against it. I can see why. If someone is truly and seriously seeking a master then they could read through much of these forums and follow whomever they choose based on their knowledge and feelings of the Force. It seems that rank could be misleading as well for new people as I have seen based on the past that some so-called masters acted little better than greedy and envious children. None-the-less I will discuss it with Br. John.

Let's ask Master Dunn if he can make some 'rank' indicators.

A person who takes the vows and accepts our creed as their way of life is a Knight of Jediism but there are beginning Knights and experienced Knights so the ranks within the Knight category are:

(Novice) Knight
Bronze Star
Silver Star
Gold Star
and I can't remember the 5th level; I'll have to look it up.

Within the clergy there are ministers who cannot ordain other ministers and then there are 'Bishop' ministers who can ordain a minister.

A student may address their teacher as master for a show of respect.

There are not many Masters of Jediism but I know Knights that are better teachers than some Masters.

Let's work this out together. All vowed member ARE the council. There are no secret forums or skulduggery around here unless The People demand some for a little excitement.

I'm open to your (all of you - The Members) ideas. It is your collective decision.

Br. John

ok this has brought more light to this. thank you very much. i understand now what you mean and now i can move forward more. now comes to the question what about more classes about jediism and the force. i think like a meeting time where everyone can get online then meet in the jedi flash chat so we can all discuss things. the ranking thing was more for when the order grows. as in you BR john as the main one of this order then it goes from there. kind of like a chain of command. i don't know maybe thats the ex military in me. lol but its just a thought. i hope this helps.

I am never a fan of ranks or titles. The purpose they serve is usually either one of vanity or one of identification. I don't mind the latter and am never a proponent of the former. those are my feelings on the matter. If they are merely to identify who can perhaps help answer questions, then it would be an identification tool. However I would hate to see it start off as such and develop into the other.

Br. John wrote:

Let's ask Master Dunn if he can make some 'rank' indicators.

A person who takes the vows and accepts our creed as their way of life is a Knight of Jediism but there are beginning Knights and experienced Knights so the ranks within the Knight category are:
.................................................

Let's work this out together. All vowed member ARE the council. There are no secret forums or skulduggery around here unless The People demand some for a little excitement.

I'm open to your (all of you - The Members) ideas. It is your collective decision.

Br. John

Twsoundsoff wrote:

I am never a fan of ranks or titles. The purpose they serve is usually either one of vanity or one of identification. I don't mind the latter and am never a proponent of the former. those are my feelings on the matter. If they are merely to identify who can perhaps help answer questions, then it would be an identification tool. However I would hate to see it start off as such and develop into the other.

Well, what do you think Br. John it seems their is contention..... We do have over a hundred votes on the current poll we could set up another for members only to vote on. We could survey this rank issue and put it to rest finally, letting the new council of Jedi make the first and probably a very important decision......

just to tap into that a bit, I want to clarify that I would support their use so long as they were merely for identification purposes.

i agree fully and thats what i ment by the good of ranking

I assure you that's the idea. If anyone wants to see the nightmare of rank and council in action ... I'm sure y'all know where to look without me naming names other than to confess I've learned that lesson the hard way.:whistle:

I'd rather eat a Vaseline sandwich than go through that horror again.

Br. John


Twsoundsoff wrote:

just to tap into that a bit, I want to clarify that I would support their use so long as they were merely for identification purposes.

Well then it has my full support.

i hope this works for the best of things.
may the force be with us all

Br. John wrote:

I assure you that's the idea. If anyone wants to see the nightmare of rank and council in action ... I'm sure y'all know where to look without me naming names other than to confess I've learned that lesson the hard way.:whistle:

I'd rather eat a Vaseline sandwich than go through that horror again.

Br. John

first let me say I second this. second, I do want to stress the importance of our vigilence in maintaining this view. The moment one Jedi says to another \"I have higher rank so do it this way or do what I say\" then rank has become a tool for the dark side. We should have respect for all Jedi, as well as for their ideas and thoughts, whether we agree with them or not. And Rank does not change that.

Agreed. Indicative ranking system would be nice, especially for Jedi looking to find masters to apprentice with.

i think as long as everyone does there part to watch how we talk to eachother i dont forsee this as a problem.

HesinRaca wrote:

Agreed. Indicative ranking system would be nice, especially for Jedi looking to find masters to apprentice with.

In this I see the use in their implementation. HesinRaca is dead on in that it would aid those seeking or new members in finding the answeres they require. I Agree

Would it be possible to include their inclination as to which path they follow as well? I believe this would be beneficial to helping apprentices look for Masters that they would agree on path with. Just a though.

Dhagon Krayt

A designation would help. The only problem is when \"masters\" start pulling rank and making demands of others because of their rank. A master offers guidance, not orders. As long as everyone agrees that a designation does not mean authority, then it is a good idea.

that is what we have been talking about to make sure masters dont start getting power happy. we all know this is a threat and like i said we all have to do our part to make sure everyone is on the same page on this. and the path file aswell is a great idea.

i would be interested to hear Br. Johns current take now. I think we have all agreed now that it would be alright, as long as it was merely a form of identification and nothing more. so then Br. John, How would this be implemented?

OK, there are some other military people around other than I so I accept and appreciate all postings after mine. Once you earn your rank, there is both a responsibility and a earned respect. Note that the responsibility comes first. Next, when you have earned your appropriate ranking whether here or in other walks of life, not only does the respect flow up, but also down. Respect is earned and not given. When you begin to lose the respect of your subordinates, you do not deserve the rank. Should we choose implement a ranking structure it needs to be structured so that you are promotable and demotable. Not as a punishment, but as a learning tool. You work your way up the chain, and should you forget what got you there, a simple \"wake-up call\" might be necessary. Any thoughts? May the Force be with us all as we decide.