YOU FOOLISH PSEUDO JEDI

When I left this name, I was assured it would have its access deleted. Interestingly enough, it wasn't. Maybe you guys need better communication methods between your pseudo religious leaders. However, I wouldn't normally decide to take this type of action but considering this....and considering this name somehow works...

https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Confused-Ask-for-help/122806-formal-request#341775


I feel entirely justified. Not only was I told how welcome I was, even in pm by your people, I was told such in my formal request thread. What honor you people have, eh? *Heavy sarcasm*. You say one thing, you do another. However, you did the one thing you fully knew would enrage me. You banned me without giving a single reason why... DESPITE my formal request! Congratulations...I do hope you're proud of yourselves! You've made an enemy... every single one of you.

-Phoenix

Banned to cool off....but you didn't, did you...we gave you the opportunity to change and become better, you chose to fall back into the same old behaviours....when we allowed you the fresh start we gave you the benefit of the doubt....you took advantage of our sympathy and compassion...

You threaten us with having "made a new enemy"....well get in line, we have plenty of people that don't like us...

For the past 2 days i've lost count of how many complaints we've received on you alone...and not just from one or two members...

RyuJin wrote: Banned to cool off....but you didn't, did you...we gave you the opportunity to change and become better, you chose to fall back into the same old behaviours....when we allowed you the fresh start we gave you the benefit of the doubt....you took advantage of our sympathy and compassion...

You threaten us with having "made a new enemy"....well get in line, we have plenty of people that don't like us...

For the past 2 days i've lost count of how many complaints we've received on you alone...and not just from one or two members...

Understand something. I didn't need to "cool off" at all. A simple message, informing me I was going too far for your rules would have been sufficient. For that matter, honoring my formal request, rather than misleading me... would have been sufficient as well. You did neither.

As for changing and becoming "better", I wonder who's idea of "better" you're referring to because it's certainly not mine.

Furthermore, if you had temporarily banned me so I might "cool off", you could have sent me a warning message, waited until I responded or had enough time to read it, then went ahead with the ban. You didn't do that either.

You were given every opportunity to play fair, yet you missed every single one of them.

Lastly, banning someone because multiple people dislike them isn't justice, it's appealing to the mob.

First off, just because a few welcomed you back doesn't translate to the entire Temple, or the Knights and Council doing as such, because we didn't...

I made mention earlier of the fact the Knights have voted on this, (you laughed) and it was our understanding the decision was permanent...

Regardless, that was then, this is now. You have since your return, just this week been reported quite a few times for abusive behavior. That enough added onto the fact you were given a warning on your return to watch said behavior, was I'm betting, enough to warrant the ban...

Your behavior in the discord only proves it was the right choice...

Zenchi wrote: First off, just because a few welcomed you back doesn't translate to the entire Temple, or the Knights and Council doing as such, because we didn't...

I made mention earlier of the fact the Knights have voted on this, (you laughed) and it was our understanding the decision was permanent...

Regardless, that was then, this is now. You have since your return, just this week been reported quite a few times for abusive behavior and language. That enough added onto the fact you were given a warning on your return to watch said behavior, was I'm betting enough to warrant the ban...

Your behavior in the discord only proves it was the right choice...

This does not explain the lack of honoring the formal request I made, does it? I'm aware you hate me, Zenchi. However, it's mutual at this point. Furthermore, if my conduct was so horrible, why did no one send me a warning to my pm box? I had messages from people offering a "safe space" to vent... and messages from people, echoing my welcome. Where were the warning messages, informing me of all those complaints being made about me by cowards who didn't dare voice their concerns to my face?

Mortose wrote: This does not explain the lack of honoring the formal request I made, does it?

The fact that you posted a formal request does not obligate Administrators to comply to it.

Furthermore, if my conduct was so horrible, why did no one send me a warning to my pm box?

You were told by several members to temper your approach. Perhaps it was too subtle for you to notice.

In any case, let’s get real... what did you expect? Discussing sensitive issues is one thing, openly mocking people is quite another. You’ve mostly been laughing at people who get “easily offended”, and now you are the one who is triggered because you were force to deal with the responsibility of your own actions? C’mon.

The rules are pretty straightforward: don’t behave like an asshole. You behaved like an asshole.

By the way, as far as I know, the ban is temporary, so it doesn’t even contradict your “formal request”.

Manu wrote:

Mortose wrote: This does not explain the lack of honoring the formal request I made, does it?

The fact that you posted a formal request does not obligate Administrators to comply to it.

Furthermore, if my conduct was so horrible, why did no one send me a warning to my pm box?

You were told by several members to temper your approach. Perhaps it was too subtle for you to notice.

In any case, let’s get real... what did you expect? Discussing sensitive issues is one thing, openly mocking people is quite another. You’ve mostly been laughing at people who get “easily offended”, and now you are the one who is triggered because you were force to deal with the responsibility of your own actions? C’mon.

The rules are pretty straightforward: don’t behave like an asshole. You behaved like an asshole.

By the way, as far as I know, the ban is temporary, so it doesn’t even contradict your “formal request”.

Temporary or not, a warning in my pm box would have done wonders, even a notice that this temporary ban was to be enacted. I received nothing. For all I knew, the ban was permanent. Why else do you think I reacted as strongly as I did?

Mortose wrote:

Manu wrote:

Mortose wrote: This does not explain the lack of honoring the formal request I made, does it?

The fact that you posted a formal request does not obligate Administrators to comply to it.

Furthermore, if my conduct was so horrible, why did no one send me a warning to my pm box?

You were told by several members to temper your approach. Perhaps it was too subtle for you to notice.

In any case, let’s get real... what did you expect? Discussing sensitive issues is one thing, openly mocking people is quite another. You’ve mostly been laughing at people who get “easily offended”, and now you are the one who is triggered because you were force to deal with the responsibility of your own actions? C’mon.

The rules are pretty straightforward: don’t behave like an asshole. You behaved like an asshole.

By the way, as far as I know, the ban is temporary, so it doesn’t even contradict your “formal request”.

Temporary or not, a warning in my pm box would have done wonders, even a notice that this temporary ban was to be enacted. I received nothing. For all I knew, the ban was permanent. Why else do you think I reacted as strongly as I did?

Because you're consistency extends to being surprised when the leadership gets tired of your... "antics"?

Mortose wrote: Temporary or not, a warning in my pm box would have done wonders, even a notice that this temporary ban was to be enacted. I received nothing. For all I knew, the ban was permanent. Why else do you think I reacted as strongly as I did?

Maybe this is a learning opportunity and you can work on basic emotional intelligence skills, to avoid being controlled by circumstance. You are shifting all blame to others (why did YOU make me react), but no one forced your hand.

Take ownership.

Kelrax Lorcken wrote:

Mortose wrote:

Manu wrote:

Mortose wrote: This does not explain the lack of honoring the formal request I made, does it?

The fact that you posted a formal request does not obligate Administrators to comply to it.

Furthermore, if my conduct was so horrible, why did no one send me a warning to my pm box?

You were told by several members to temper your approach. Perhaps it was too subtle for you to notice.

In any case, let’s get real... what did you expect? Discussing sensitive issues is one thing, openly mocking people is quite another. You’ve mostly been laughing at people who get “easily offended”, and now you are the one who is triggered because you were force to deal with the responsibility of your own actions? C’mon.

The rules are pretty straightforward: don’t behave like an asshole. You behaved like an asshole.

By the way, as far as I know, the ban is temporary, so it doesn’t even contradict your “formal request”.

Temporary or not, a warning in my pm box would have done wonders, even a notice that this temporary ban was to be enacted. I received nothing. For all I knew, the ban was permanent. Why else do you think I reacted as strongly as I did?

Because you're consistency extends to being surprised when the leadership gets tired of your... "antics"?

They still could have given me a warning in my pm box. I'd have paid attention to that and I'm surprised they didn't know this. I do tend to go too far more often than not. I'm passionate and get wrapped up. On my end, I was enjoying myself, playing with a troll. I found no harm in it, though I did wonder if my digital murder thread and recent journal entry might have been too far off the line I was supposed to follow. However, considering the messages I had in my pm box (and lack of a single warning), I carried on expressing myself, being as real as I could be, given the environment and its restrictions.

Manu wrote:

Mortose wrote: Temporary or not, a warning in my pm box would have done wonders, even a notice that this temporary ban was to be enacted. I received nothing. For all I knew, the ban was permanent. Why else do you think I reacted as strongly as I did?

Maybe this is a learning opportunity and you can work on basic emotional intelligence skills, to avoid being controlled by circumstance. You are shifting all blame to others (why did YOU make me react), but no one forced your hand.

Take ownership.

I take ownership of every single one of my actions, that's not an issue. Furthermore, my EQ isn't an issue either, though you'd not know that because you don't know me offline.

I take ownership of every single one of my actions, that's not an issue. Furthermore, my EQ isn't an issue either, though you'd not know that because you don't know me offline.

If that is true, then bring your offline persona here, I’m sure she’s much more interesting than this Darth Troll mask you’ve got going on here.

I will concede that a warning PM would be a good thing as far as general banning processes go.

Manu wrote:

I take ownership of every single one of my actions, that's not an issue. Furthermore, my EQ isn't an issue either, though you'd not know that because you don't know me offline.

If that is true, then bring your offline persona here, I’m sure she’s much more interesting than this Darth Troll mask you’ve got going on here.

I will concede that a warning PM would be a good thing as far as general banning processes go.

Thank you, that would have been sufficient. Still, a member of leadership revoking my welcome here in the thread I started would also have been acceptable.

As for your comment about my offline persona, it's not real. Why would I bring something fake here when my original and current intention is being authentic?

Mortose wrote: As for your comment about my offline persona, it's not real. Why would I bring something fake here when my original and current intention is being authentic?

Well, then who are you really? And why is there a schism between personas? Wouldn’t someone pursuing authenticity want to be authentic in all venues of life?

I am the same here as I am anywhere else.

I am actually curious to get to know the real you.

Manu wrote:

Mortose wrote: As for your comment about my offline persona, it's not real. Why would I bring something fake here when my original and current intention is being authentic?

Well, then who are you really? And why is there a schism between personas? Wouldn’t someone pursuing authenticity want to be authentic in all venues of life?

I am the same here as I am anywhere else.

I am actually curious to get to know the real you.

I can't be true to myself offline because my livelihood forbids it. I'm not troubled by this double life though.

As for your desire to get to know me, my journal was an attempt to do just that. I've been nothing but authentic there.

As for your desire to get to know me, my journal was an attempt to do just that. I've been nothing but authentic there.

I hope you can understand my confusion. You react here in a childish manner, then claim that’s not how you are offline, then turn around and say the offline you isn’t the authentic you, and that the real you is in your online journals, which circles back to the initial childish reactionary.

So, who are you?

Manu wrote:

As for your desire to get to know me, my journal was an attempt to do just that. I've been nothing but authentic there.

I hope you can understand my confusion. You react here in a childish manner, then claim that’s not how you are offline, then turn around and say the offline you isn’t the authentic you, and that the real you is in your online journals, which circles back to the initial childish reactionary.

So, who are you?

Yes, I am authentic in my journal. I'm being real and raw.

Furthermore, I'm childish when I want to be. It's better than being serious all the time. So... yes, part of who I am is childish. I don't have a problem with it, though it seems you do?

Mortose wrote: Yes, I am authentic in my journal. I'm being real and raw.

Furthermore, I'm childish when I want to be. It's better than being serious all the time. So... yes, part of who I am is childish. I don't have a problem with it, though it seems you do?

I don’t mind playfulness

Being offensive and then turning around and crying “I’m offended”, however, does annoy me.

People here will usually apply Hanlon’s razor, which means they will usually let some offense slide, ascribing it to ignorance or an inability to self-regulate emotions.

But if you openly admit you are deliberate about your offensiveness, that you are carefully choosing when to play victim and when to play persecuter, then you disambiguate intention, and people understand you are willfully being destructive. That will eventually get you banned.

I don’t actually buy that you are as in control as you claim, which is why I still give you the benefit of doubt.

Mortose wrote:
Furthermore, I'm childish when I want to be. It's better than being serious all the time. So... yes, part of who I am is childish. I don't have a problem with it, though it seems you do?

We're all childish at times, but being childish at this particular time does little to help your case.

With regards to why you're banned and for how long for, I agree that you should've been informed. I've been asking for this info to be given to people for years

Manu wrote:

Mortose wrote: Yes, I am authentic in my journal. I'm being real and raw.

Furthermore, I'm childish when I want to be. It's better than being serious all the time. So... yes, part of who I am is childish. I don't have a problem with it, though it seems you do?

I don’t mind playfulness

Being offensive and then turning around and crying “I’m offended”, however, does annoy me.

People here will usually apply Hanlon’s razor, which means they will usually let some offense slide, ascribing it to ignorance or an inability to self-regulate emotions.

But if you openly admit you are deliberate about your offensiveness, that you are carefully choosing when to play victim and when to play persecuter, then you disambiguate intention, and people understand you are willfully being destructive. That will eventually get you banned.

I don’t actually buy that you are as in control as you claim, which is why I still give you the benefit of doubt.

I'm not playing the victim, nor am I a victim. I'm rightfully angry regarding this ban. Whether I deserved it or not, I have no idea because I wasn't given a warning in my pm box, was I? Think about it. There is no "playing victim" here, only disgust and confusion. As for my playful conduct with the troll, it was just that. Did you read what she wrote later, after following me to yet another of my threads? I told her I suspected I knew something and she basically confirmed I was correct. However, I still think she's just a troll.