What if The Thought Camera was invented?

Nikola Tesla had thought of making such a device. Wasn't made of course but it could project mental images on a wall.

I always thought he was very underrated in comparison to other inventiors but what if a full proof version of this existed.

No one would even think about committing crimes would they?

If there was a court case and we could use this if someone was asked a question and then display it
https://monsterminions.wordpress.com/2015/07/20/on-photographing-thought/

The thing is one would have to worry to see if it may have been tampered

but it'd be better than any lawyer, witness or lie detector.

And pretty much every politician could be asked questions and see if the images would then prove otherwise.

This alone could be used on prisoners to see if they really did commit the crime.

What do you think?

You make no sense. In the first place this is just an abstract exercise because thoughts are not real and cant be photographed. And secondly if such a process existed to read thoughts you claim there would be no one to dare to commit crimes. And then you go on to say we could use it on criminals. But if no one dares to commit crimes how would there be criminals?

This is similar to the moral dilemma of a Gods existence. If God appeared and proved beyond the shadow of a doubt he existed would the atheist concede to have to worship him? In my case if God (christian version) did appear and prove his existence I would still not worship him because I still believe him to be a moral thug. So in your example, no it would not stop crime and it would only serve to hinder the rights of individual freedom and create that Illuminati state you are so afraid of.

Thoughts are not actions
So even if you photographed thoughts it wouldnt be proof of anything but actual thoughts
And if you start policing thoughts
I guess this whole planet would be a lunatic asylum

Oh wait.... it is isn't it?

The idea of Minority Report came to mind when I read this. That's scary stuff to get into when you boil it down.

Tesla believed that he could invent a camera to read mental imagery and thoughts. In an article published in the Kansas City Journal-Post in September 1933, he told reporters about a device that would be capable of “photographing of thought.”


There’s one of my favorite movies called Minority Report. Good stuff but leaves the question of - if there are devices - there can always be ways around those devices. Rules vs rule breakers-
Law vs law breakers-
Intent vs actuality-
Great stuff to think about. Heavy stuff .
I’m the end there’s an old saying - a lock isn’t made for a thief, but for the honest man- if a thief wants something - they will make the way rather than earn it.

@Tim - ya beat me to it !

For sciencing and For easier to consume sciencing

TLDR: We are a long ways off.

---

For the hypothetical:

Beyond it being just a wildly out of reach goal- first designing all the necessary "stuff", programming the AI, and then passing the legal gymnastics necessary to hook everyone up to this(then again, we might willingly hook ourselves up, consider oversharing on social media)- in order to become an effective crime preventative tool, people(and when I say people I mean *everyone*, including those likely to commit crimes) would have to consent to active, 24/7 monitoring, which is unlikely, and so it would have to be forced. The place the world would have to get to for this to be implemented is just unbelievable. Big brother literally on your shoulder demanding to know why you roll your socks instead of fold them.

In a courtroom setting...
Well, as you can see from the links at the top, what people witness, what registers in their mind, reality, and the AI to display said data currently all vary wildly. And those were with a specific set of pictures. Imagine everything you see in one day, and vast amount of unpredictable and uncontrollable images. Even under the assumption that those variations are overcome and accurate images can be displayed, I don't think this system would prevent crime.

Crime would evolve, as it always has. Police get better vests, criminals get better guns, so on and so forth. By the time said technology was prevalent, the criminals would have also gotten smart enough to come up with ways to circumvent the system designed to catch them.

Everyones wired uniquely afaik (at the deeper level), so each person would have to be mapped - but since the wiring is ongoing so would the mapping..... to get 'experiences' out. Or at least that is what the overlords want me to think

If anyone needs eyeball replacement I'm starting up an underground clinic... just PayPal your fee to kyrin and await the spiderbots...

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: You make no sense. In the first place this is just an abstract exercise because thoughts are not real and cant be photographed. And secondly if such a process existed to read thoughts you claim there would be no one to dare to commit crimes. And then you go on to say we could use it on criminals. But if no one dares to commit crimes how would there be criminals?

This is similar to the moral dilemma of a Gods existence. If God appeared and proved beyond the shadow of a doubt he existed would the atheist concede to have to worship him? In my case if God (christian version) did appear and prove his existence I would still not worship him because I still believe him to be a moral thug. So in your example, no it would not stop crime and it would only serve to hinder the rights of individual freedom and create that Illuminati state you are so afraid of.

I really don't understand this strange fascination you have with my threads where you do not offer anything but snarky remarks and basically go against everything I say and offer little reason why. Am I really the only one who notices this habit of yours? You don't agree. That is fine. I am sure there are others you can discuss with. It just gets old you have nothing new to say and you think I can't figure it out. I get it You won,t like what I have to say.

Anything that is used can be absused. Robots, terraforming thought project in ect. Something is needed where we would neednanlie detector but to have it full proof, but not try to make it a police state either. I wonder what was his main reason for wanting to make it then.

Mostly it's because you are a crackpot conspiracy theorist spreading unfounded assertions that are never backed up with any sort of solid facts or evidence. When you are not spreading these theories, designed only to insight fear, you are otherwise contributing nothing of meaningful content in philosophical postulation to a website designed for just such a purpose. Suscinctly I find your content trite and irrelevant.

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: Mostly it's because you are a crackpot conspiracy theorist spreading unfounded assertions that are never backed up with any sort of solid facts or evidence. When you are not spreading these theories, designed only to insight fear, you are otherwise contributing nothing of meaningful content in philosophical postulation to a website designed for just such a purpose. Suscinctly I find your content trite and irrelevant.

So really, you don't have a reason.


I mean what you are doing is pretty uncalled for. And it's one of your most well known habits and I know I'm not the only one who feels this way You don't just disagree but feel as if you have to throw names as if this is some sort of children's playground. And then make up stuff saying I do this just to spread fear for no reason other than just the lulz I suppose. If a person knows something important than they must be a fear monger I guess. I am contributing. Just because you don't agree with it does not mean I am doing nothing. What are you trying to accomplish anyway? If your goal is to get a rise out of me or somehow change my opinion it won't happen. I already know enough of what's going on.

As I said before there's actually lots of evidence of what's going on out there. I've done this before where I show tons of stuff and people will still not accept it because it's not proof. That is what you want, not evidence, which is not the same thing.

But it's really my fault. I really shouldn't acknowledge you anymore. You don't like me, never did and never give any explanations as if I did something personal to you because you do this on every thread. I don't know what your problems are but I just no longer care at this point. This back and forth banter accomplishes nothing. Not sure why I am your mortal enemy on the threads the one you like to target the most because it makes you feel better, but it doesn't matter at this point. I have said what I need to say. I'm not going to flail my arms around if you disagree because right now it's just getting off topic. I don't despise you like you heavily dislike me on all of my threads. I guess if I wronged you somehow than I am sorry, but now, let's just move on.

I am not sure why the thread was moved to meditation journals but ok.

If not a camera or camcorder of some kind what would be best?

I kind of wonder if things played out and Tesla lived, he would have made it.

It would still be nice to see anyway even if it wasn't used for crime cases, but I do find it strange he had this idea and died not so long ago afterwards.

Yab,

I wouldn't take the comments personally as it is a known habit of this person to be more confrontational the discussion oriented. That said. I think the idea of a thought camera is a tough one to grasp and a dangerous one to consider.

For example, I am an In School Suspension Teacher for high school, I would never hit a kid, ever, I have been struck by a problem student and just kinda ate the punch because any retaliation would absolutely ensure I don't have a job. But, if you took the snap shot of my thought in that moment you would see a solid image of me pulling a pretty simple block to kick combo as I train to do in sparring. On top of that some of my previous employment training is to eliminate a threat entirely, so then, you see me in this image landing a kick to the temple or following up in a way to incapacitate the attacker. (breaking the arm, dislocation, secondary head strike to KO) Though this never happened would this image be enough for a law enforcement or better yet, the school district who employs me to look at and say well, "he could be a threat to the student, best to not have him around at all." Would this be considered a good or bad outcome and use of this technology. Secondly, i watch a lot of horror movies, so if you were to snap shot some of my thought some of them would probably come out pretty screwed up right. Could this become and issue with this device, could i be labeled a killer though I have not committed a crime just because I thought about it when the focus just happened to be on me. This is an interesting thought exercise.

Tesla was an interesting man, I would sat his death has more to do with the level of poverty, agoraphobia and mental duress he was put in after several failed experiments that ruined his reputation as well as Edison essentially draining any hope of continued funding for certain inventions I. E. the wireless transfer of power.

Much love, respect, and peace,
Kobos

If Tesla were alive today - I’m for sure things would be different. If we would have listened to Hedy Lemar instead of just looked at her - things would be different. You could add so many names to this list including a few I know personally - why we didn’t listen to them - but what we CAN do is learn from them now. There’s a plane - air plane that was at South West Reasearch Center in Texas ( just the controls and a monitor ) which was powered by the same concept here - it was “mind controlled.” My step dad ( the one who abused me at a young age) was a cook there and you try to cook for over a thousand and more scientist ... lots of individual orders. So I got the chance at a young age to -line cook- with him. Let me tell you - the things these people were working on and applying to things - Blew my mind at 14! So - science is defiantly needed at times. How we use it ... that’s to us every single time.

Kobos wrote: Yab,

I wouldn't take the comments personally as it is a known habit of this person to be more confrontational the discussion oriented. That said. I think the idea of a thought camera is a tough one to grasp and a dangerous one to consider.

For example, I am an In School Suspension Teacher for high school, I would never hit a kid, ever, I have been struck by a problem student and just kinda ate the punch because any retaliation would absolutely ensure I don't have a job. But, if you took the snap shot of my thought in that moment you would see a solid image of me pulling a pretty simple block to kick combo as I train to do in sparring. On top of that some of my previous employment training is to eliminate a threat entirely, so then, you see me in this image landing a kick to the temple or following up in a way to incapacitate the attacker. (breaking the arm, dislocation, secondary head strike to KO) Though this never happened would this image be enough for a law enforcement or better yet, the school district who employs me to look at and say well, "he could be a threat to the student, best to not have him around at all." Would this be considered a good or bad outcome and use of this technology. Secondly, i watch a lot of horror movies, so if you were to snap shot some of my thought some of them would probably come out pretty screwed up right. Could this become and issue with this device, could i be labeled a killer though I have not committed a crime just because I thought about it when the focus just happened to be on me. This is an interesting thought exercise.

Tesla was an interesting man, I would sat his death has more to do with the level of poverty, agoraphobia and mental duress he was put in after several failed experiments that ruined his reputation as well as Edison essentially draining any hope of continued funding for certain inventions I. E. the wireless transfer of power.

Much love, respect, and peace,
Kobos

I understand and thank you for sharing

We would already be using wireless electricity and free power. Unlimited perhaps, or at least unlimited for our needs.

People invent things for a purpose so what was his main purpose for trying to invent a thought camera? Was it to expose criminals or simply recreation so one can relive their memories in the form of a picture or video?

I would think of it as the ultimate lie detector if done correctly.

I think all of the things he planned to invent can happened. It isn't stopped just postponed temporarily

This is the equivalent of questioning "the problem of induction" It isn't a problem and can't be unless it is - by which point, it won't be the biggest problem on your plate. A "thought camera" is either a futile thought experiment or a conspiracy theory.
Either way, what do you want out of all these threads?

I always wondered how things would have turned out if he had stayed alive and if perhaps those inspired by him would further make progress on it.

So where are we headed exactly. Wireless electricity is very possible, even Tesla was trying to develop it. Who is to say his other ideas are not possible.

People tend have to these strange ideas thinking that it is impossible until someone proves them wrong which is almost always the case.

Although I sometimes wonder of the side effects too of what may happen if such things were invented. Maybe there'd be a way to shield us from it? From all of the waves? If you have wireless electricity, you're pretty much surrounded by waves and too much of pretty much anything can cause side effects.

Who knows and who can say except the future.

The possiblys can be endless - the company Tesla has a power wall now that is solar powered to store in your home on a “battery” cell in your home. Many have made similar items but think about that - every one making their own renewable energy - yea - that day is coming soon and soooooo looking forward to it. With electric cars now - just think - hook up to your home- get the energy from the sun, blows my mind. Have you ever do a study on Tesla ? If you interested it would be a great study , I did my own and wow - the things he did still amaze me today.