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First infraction, written warning
Second infraction, written warning and a dialogue with either a Knight or Clergy
Third infraction, written warning and a thread is set up with a Screenshot in the admin/mod forum. Further discussion with Knight/Clergy to be added to said thread
Fourth infraction three day suspension with a written agreement for how to address behavior
Fifth infraction is one week suspension with a plan to address behavior upon return. Dialogue with Knight/Clergy
Sixth infraction one month suspension with a plan to address behavior. Dialogue with Knight/Clergy
Any further infraction would result in 6 month ban and a required plan. Further dialogue required.
The most important thing I think is that in six months the person can start over at the beginning of the consequence ladder
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If I were to suggest anything It would be a point system to help mitigate proper timing that both the administration AND The membership knows.
I realize that is vauge and not a solid idea, I don't know enough about the admin end to make it solid. But from my own personal experience in the abuse this temple is capable of dishing out....That is what came to my mind. A.....three strikes your out kind of thing?
I am willing to bat around the idea mouse if folks wish to expand on this.
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As a side note, in you're final post in the other thread, you mentioned pronoun usage. I appreciate this may just fall under basic respect, but is there maybe a better way of policing it? I think that sort of thing is a perfect example of Trisskar's comment about things dragging on and on forever
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The way you lock threads all the time is incredibly irritating but i havent said anything because they werent my topics. Ive been waiting for you to lock this because i had the feeeling it was just a matter of time. If you want to lock your own threads so that no one can reply to what you say then fine but i dont need you to decide for me what is appropriate for me to talk about. I want you to unlock my thread and id like you to stop being so damn presumptuous and controlling about other peoples conversations. Or at least just mine; if others need you to think for them then thats their business.
People are complicated.
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So "the community" isnt allowed to discuss the way that the rules are enforced?
This is the reason for this thread I believe.
I’m not a fan of locking threads myself. I’ve locked threads only due to the fact that it was informative and not discussion-al- if that’s even a real word. Lol
Maybe—- have a guideline posted for the reasons a thread can be locked and by who? Accountability thing n such ? A copy of what’s moderated is in council but can we do one maybe for general population to view not comemt - just see- maybe ? Accountability and transparency maybe - just suggestions - a avenue to ask to unlock the thread by OP request? any how -
I like the three strikes idea.
A point value sounds like a good start . At some points value agreed on - have some one evaluated- maybe ?
Part of the hardest thing is to catch - clear catch -individuals doing - things - deemed not healthy for the Temple. In our freedoms we have here - speech and ideas are all welcomed - which means even the negative ones. Light and dark are welcomed as well as opposing opinions. It’s when the basic rules and basic respects are lost that we find it difficult to - not controll but - allow others to enjoy and share with others what we do here. This place is not like any one I’ve ever encountered. So ... a point system maybe? Not three strikes but a agreed value ?
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whats done is done. People should grow up and realize the thread in question isn't a "Bash member x opportunity" and simply a chance to learn and improve on each other. Locking it dosn't solve that
warning people to discuss future improvements on said situation instead of bashing the member themselves is a much better approach. And if said warning is not headed, points and action to specific members should be applied. Perhaps it is a temporary ban from the thread, or the sub forum its posted in.
Or another idea would be a time out sub forum. Just Jedi used to have one....whenever a thread got to hot and disruptive it would be moved to a time out sub forum where certain membership levels are allowed. (Member or Apprentice Up or similar)
Again....just idea mouse batting
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So here is my official request through the official channel: please unlock the thread. It was a civil conversation and it CLEARLY matters to people or else there wouldnt be 12 pages. There was no good reason to lock it. As i said before, ive heen expecting Rosalyn specifically to come along and close the topic and im confident that she has been wanting to since it began. She found a pretext to impose her restrictive standards and jumped on it.
Id also like to ask Rosalyn to just generally stay away from me. Youre a nice and intelligent person and i respect you as an individual but your ideas about what is appropriate to talk about are just childish to me. Is TOTJO a day care center or what? We are not seven-year-olds and we dont need a nanny to protect us from ideas. I dont, anyway.
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How ironic you start a thread on "consistency" immediately after locking a thread for little more reason than you were tired of the conversation, in all due politeness, that's a little hypocritical...
If "pronouns" are the problem, make it clear (because you and the council have not publicly done so) that certain individuals want to be addressed by certain pronouns. Problem solved...
It's not rocket science, and most certainly not deserving of having a thread locked without due warning or provocation, imo...
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Your suggestion seems sound Ros, but I agree with Tris here saying there is an issue with timing.
Another aspect is single-sided approaches - someone may get a warning here for saying "Council are terrible they lock all our threads" ... That'd be single sided. But the simultaneous open discussion started about when and how we, as a community, think that thread locking should be used would be fairer.
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Twigga wrote: Locking aside, lets not loose the plot of this thread
Its almost like youre suggesting people should be allowed to have the discussions which interest them without others interfering. Very interesting. Imagine if we applied that basic principle to the whole forum and not just this one topic.
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This is the problem. Every. Single. Time.
I don't have a problem with the thread or the conversation. When the thread was brought up in Council I was the one to ask to let it run.
Now I take too long. Now I'm not listening. Now this. Now that. I gave the reason. If someone wants to unlock it fine. As I say, I don't have a problem.
Every time we make a decision its not fair. Sorry. Its not going to be perfect.
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I'm going to post the Code of Conduct for Amtgard
1. Speech that would cause a reasonable person to fear for their property or safety
2. Physical violence outside of the normal bounds of combat conduct
3. Sexual harassment or inappropriate sexual contact
4. Theft or willful destruction of other peoples property
5. Repeated unwillingness to follow game rules
6. Creating a hostile environment detrimental to the enjoyment of the group as a whole
The Monarch, with the joint agreement of either the Prime Minister or the Guildmaster of Reeves, may ban a player from their group (and subgroups) for any of the reasons including, but not limited to, the list above at their discretion for any amount of time they feel appropriate. Any Monarch, with the joint agreement of either the Prime Minister or the Guildmaster of Reeves, may end a ban on a player at any time with the exception that a park Monarch may not overturn a ban instituted at the Kingdom level.
Any Kingdom level ban placed by a player’s Kingdom of residence for items 2 or 3 is automatically extended to all Kingdoms and their Subgroups. It is the responsibility of the Monarch enacting the ban to notify the Kingdoms using the Circle of Monarchs communication tools. Any Kingdom Monarch, with the joint agreement of either the Prime Minister or the Guildmaster of Reeves, may exempt their Kingdom from this extension by choosing to assume responsibility for the banned player and allowing the banned player to engage in Amtgard activities within their Kingdom and Subgroups. In doing so, that Monarch is stating
hat they believe the following is true:
1. The banned player adds no additional threat to the safety of the players in this Kingdom or its Subgroups
2. The presence of the banned player will not create a hostile or unwelcoming environment for other players attending functions of this Kingdom or its Subgroups related to the nature of the ban
3. There is a compelling reason that having the banned player participate in the functions of this Kingdom and its Subgroups is beneficial to the functioning of those same groups
This allows the leaders of a group to say "Bob is suspended from 6/1/2018 to 9/1/2018 for violation of code 3" without going into too many details.
This is an example of a notice of action that is posted in a public location for Amtgard, the rules for how you appeal is usually sent via PM with the rest of the message:
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Obi, I'm not sure I 100% understood your response; but there was an opportunity in the second paragraph of my response for someone to start this thread . Under the current decisions/guidelines for when we, as a community, can lock threads, your thread fell into that category. Maybe those guidelines aren't the ones we want to be using any more.
I liked your thread. I think lots of people can appreciate your thread. It brought up lots of different ideas about inconsistencies and how we interact in the temple. I think a lot of different threads could be started out of it to clear up inconsistencies, and they will be further reaching, as they won't just be about one incidence focusing on one individual.
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