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Why does it matter if Tim Farron thinks being gay is a sin?
20 Apr 2017 15:11 #281340
by Brick
Why does it matter if Tim Farron thinks being gay is a sin? was created by Brick
Regarding this article on the Telegraph Website: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/19/absolute-disgrace-tim-farron-fire-refusing-answer-asked-gay/
I was curious to know what people here thought, particularly those among us that are members of the LGBT Community?
Now he has eventually, given in to peer pressure and said that he does NOT think that being gay is a sin. But even if he'd thought it was, why should that matter?
We don't live in a Orwellian society, we don't have Thought Police that control what we think. We're entitled to have our own opinions, even if other people disagree with them. He is perfectly OK to think that being gay is a sin.
We also have free speech in this country, so not only is he allowed to think that being gay is a sin, he is also allowed to say that.
But he hasn't said that. He simply refused to comment on a theological topic, that he did not deem himself qualified enough to comment on. And because of that, he's branded an 'absolute disgrace', a 'bigot', and a 'homophobe'. And that gets me onto my main point.
What has he done that's bigoted? What has he done that's homophobic?
He hasn't attacked anyone, either verbally or physically. He hasn't harassed or caused distress to anyone. He hasn't infringed upon anyone rights.
For me, this line is key - “As a liberal, I’m passionate about equality, and equal marriage, about equal rights for LGBT people, for fighting not just for LGBT rights in this country, but overseas.”
So even if he did think it was a sin, he's taken an Evelyn Beatrice Hall stance of 'I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it' attitude.
I guess my real question is why were celebrities, politicians, the media, and members of the public so appalled by what he said?
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I was curious to know what people here thought, particularly those among us that are members of the LGBT Community?
Now he has eventually, given in to peer pressure and said that he does NOT think that being gay is a sin. But even if he'd thought it was, why should that matter?
We don't live in a Orwellian society, we don't have Thought Police that control what we think. We're entitled to have our own opinions, even if other people disagree with them. He is perfectly OK to think that being gay is a sin.
We also have free speech in this country, so not only is he allowed to think that being gay is a sin, he is also allowed to say that.
But he hasn't said that. He simply refused to comment on a theological topic, that he did not deem himself qualified enough to comment on. And because of that, he's branded an 'absolute disgrace', a 'bigot', and a 'homophobe'. And that gets me onto my main point.
What has he done that's bigoted? What has he done that's homophobic?
He hasn't attacked anyone, either verbally or physically. He hasn't harassed or caused distress to anyone. He hasn't infringed upon anyone rights.
For me, this line is key - “As a liberal, I’m passionate about equality, and equal marriage, about equal rights for LGBT people, for fighting not just for LGBT rights in this country, but overseas.”
So even if he did think it was a sin, he's taken an Evelyn Beatrice Hall stance of 'I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it' attitude.
I guess my real question is why were celebrities, politicians, the media, and members of the public so appalled by what he said?
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20 Apr 2017 15:32 #281347
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Nope ..common sense and reason will do ....not that i dont like the Ten Commandments but i think the neighbours cow should make up her own mind by now
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JLSpinner wrote: The only influence religion should have on government is through the guidance of our morals.
Nope ..common sense and reason will do ....not that i dont like the Ten Commandments but i think the neighbours cow should make up her own mind by now
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20 Apr 2017 15:40 #281349
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Does that require strength? or just indifference?
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Calan wrote: Very strong of you to allow someone to have an opinion even though you dont agree with it.
Does that require strength? or just indifference?
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20 Apr 2017 18:45 #281375
by JamesSand
Two fairly likely possibilities.
A) They weren't, but it's important to be seen to be on the right side of any argument, even one that doesn't exist - so anyone who is anyone and is likely to have their dollar value affected by popular opinion jumps on, and it quickly turns ridiculous.
They're all pushing the gay agenda, tryna keep the SP (Straight People) down.
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I guess my real question is why were celebrities, politicians, the media, and members of the public so appalled by what he said?
Two fairly likely possibilities.
A) They weren't, but it's important to be seen to be on the right side of any argument, even one that doesn't exist - so anyone who is anyone and is likely to have their dollar value affected by popular opinion jumps on, and it quickly turns ridiculous.
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20 Apr 2017 18:52 #281376
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As long as one abides by the law and pays their taxes, the government should keep their noses out of their citizen's business. Whatever they identify as or whomever they want to be with is really not of national concern, so personally they (the government) should be viewing the LGBTQ+ community as they are, citizens with the same rights as everyone else.
His stance that it is wrong is a touchy area. Some faiths condemn the act of homosexuality, even to the point of a death sentance. I am going to assume the man on the stand here is a Christian, and for the purpose of my point I will keep it at that. Yes, the Bible condemns homosexuality. But Jesus, you know, the Big Guy's son, saviour of all mankind, said "Let he who has no sin cast the first stone" and "Treat others the way you want to be treated".
So is it a sin? According to his faith, yes. Congrats. But no one is perfect. "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", "the penalty of Sin is Death". We are not in a postion to judge those for what they do, sin or otherwise. As long as it doesn't hurt anyone, go ahead.
I personally admire the fact that he refuses to stoop to the level of the radical SJW movement and create another us vs them arguement. His job does not require him to know what you identify as. Whatever he sees it as, sin or otherwise, is not really of his concern and he knows that. Or I hope at least.
And thats another 2 cents in the piggy bank for ya.
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Rex wrote: Just curious, are there any people who disagree with the "As long as what he thinks doesn't impact his secular policy, he can think whatever he wants religiously" line? Also, how many people agree with his stance of personally thinking that being gay is wrong in a religious sense, but that the government shouldn't discriminate against them since the government (in the UK and US) is secular?
As long as one abides by the law and pays their taxes, the government should keep their noses out of their citizen's business. Whatever they identify as or whomever they want to be with is really not of national concern, so personally they (the government) should be viewing the LGBTQ+ community as they are, citizens with the same rights as everyone else.
His stance that it is wrong is a touchy area. Some faiths condemn the act of homosexuality, even to the point of a death sentance. I am going to assume the man on the stand here is a Christian, and for the purpose of my point I will keep it at that. Yes, the Bible condemns homosexuality. But Jesus, you know, the Big Guy's son, saviour of all mankind, said "Let he who has no sin cast the first stone" and "Treat others the way you want to be treated".
So is it a sin? According to his faith, yes. Congrats. But no one is perfect. "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", "the penalty of Sin is Death". We are not in a postion to judge those for what they do, sin or otherwise. As long as it doesn't hurt anyone, go ahead.
I personally admire the fact that he refuses to stoop to the level of the radical SJW movement and create another us vs them arguement. His job does not require him to know what you identify as. Whatever he sees it as, sin or otherwise, is not really of his concern and he knows that. Or I hope at least.
And thats another 2 cents in the piggy bank for ya.
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