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"Camping’ on Your Own Land is Now Illegal — Govt Waging War on Off-Grid Living"
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Costilla County, CO — Across the U.S., local zoning officials are making it increasingly difficult for people to go off the grid, in some instances threatening people with jail time for collecting rainwater or not hooking into local utilities.
As zoning laws have increasingly targeted the off-grid lifestyle, many have moved to the Southwestern U.S. as an escape from overzealous zoning officials.
In Costilla County, Colorado, there has been a major influx of off-grid residents to the San Luis Valley. The combination of lax zoning regulations, cheap property, and an already thriving community of self-reliant off-grid homesteaders has led to many new residents.
The off-grid lifestyle, enjoyed by an estimated 800 people, is now being threatened as county officials have recently made moves to essentially regulate and license the lifestyle into oblivion.
Tensions boiled over during a county commissioners’ meeting in San Louis, Colorado, devolving into a shouting match between homesteaders and police. One of the major points of contention is the county’s attempt to ban camping on your own property, in an effort to force the off-grid homesteaders back onto the grid.
“We are residents who have come to live off the grid. It’s all our land.” … “These are harsh economic times. We have nowhere to go,” twenty-year resident Paul Skinner said.
“We’ve been regulated out of life,” homesteader Robin Rutan told Colorado Public Radio. “I came here because I couldn’t live by the codes [in other regions].”
The county, which requires residents to have a camping permit to live in an RV, “small house” or other camp style home, has started to simply refuse the renewal of these permits.
This is obviously a major problem for homesteaders, who often live in such accommodations while building their permanent residents.
“They started enforcing the changes before they were actually made,” resident Chloe Everhart said.
Everhart said she performed due diligence prior to buying her land, with one of the most important aspects of the plan being a 90-day camping permit. Without a 90-day permit, camping on residential plots is only allowed for 14 days per every three months.
But just as Everhart was arriving, the board of commissioners instructed the planning and zoning commission to no longer issue camping permits.
In spite of her best efforts, Everhart is now an outlaw.
County land use administrator Matt Valdez disputes the claims that the county is trying to regulate people’s lifestyles out of existence. He says that his office has discretion to deny camping permits under existing code and claims that too many new residents were habitually renewing permits meant to be temporary.
“We’re not trying to drive people off their property,” Valdez said.
Valdez said he simply wants to make sure already established rules are followed for aesthetic and safety reasons.
The vilification of people who choose to live an alternative lifestyle is extremely commonplace in modern America.
While there may be legitimate issues that need to be addressed, people have a right to use land that they own in the manner they see fit. To use the technicalities of the law to essentially evict people from land they own reeks of tyrannical overreach and oppression of personal liberty.
Update: The county has dropped it’s planned zoning changes under increased public scrutiny, but they continue to refuse to issue 90-day camping permits to the off-grid land owners.
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This isn't freedom. We're a corporately owned country, start calling it that.
*cues the people who start talking about how elections make any difference*
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The problem is with laws like these when authorities use the letter of the law to simply revenue raise, because that is when it tends to actually become like a Police state.
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Proteus wrote: Can you find us an article that explains the story from the other side? While from this perspective it is obvious that it doesn't sound fair, all I can see is bias due to a one sided story.
Very good point. There's always a little more than you know.
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These off-grid lots don't have running water. So some people were filling up huge tanks at publicly owned spigots in town. Those were locked up pretty quickly. More experienced off-gridders buy their water from a now unincorporated town nearby which still has water rights.
So, these so-called "off-grid" folks were going into town and using public water sources without paying for water like, say, I have to every month in my apartment. So much for being "off-grid." Why should they get water for free when people living in town have to pay? Or, conversely, why should the people living in town have to pay when these guys can get it for free? By locking up the public spigots they only shifted the dilemma to another town, though at least they're paying for it there.
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Telling individuals what they can and can not do for themselves and by themselves is not necessarily it.
I dream of a world that is self sustaining. Imagine how amazing life would be if everyone was expected to accommodate for their own food, water, and energy? IF every house was able to provide its own needs?
Yes, that might limit some freedoms and give us others.
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in fact, every time i have looked, i have simply found more instances of off the grid living being - seemingly at least - deliberately opposed by government
from nuisance abatement teams to the "conspiracy theory" sounding but actually true "United Nations Agenda 21 " and even a situation which has the hallmarks of deliberate infiltration by government agents lol i know how hokey that sounds and i admit that its certainly not the only possibility - "off the grid" attracts a wide variety of individuals, including some pretty extreme types, im sure
the use of public water does make sense as a valid issue to be dealt with, but still i do get the impression that there is intentional effort by the government to oppose this lifestyle
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The best way to go against any law that is unjust or unfair is to not follow it.
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Yabuturtle wrote: It is as I said before that things are getting worse. They don't want people to live off grid who are self sufficient. They want people to be clustered together and have them become dependent on the government. Because people like that are easier to control.
The best way to go against any law that is unjust or unfair is to not follow it.
It is unwise to assume you know the motives behind these actions. I suggest asking open ended questions. Perhaps it is easier to explain than making up a conspiracy to scare yourself with.
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However, I disagree with the assertion that one should just not follow laws that they don't agree with. I agree on certain extreme possibilities but not as a blanket statement.
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My guess is that this has more to do with control of resources. I doubt anyone would have a problem with me living "off grid" out in the woods as a hermit, but as soon as I start taking someone else's water, food, electricity, wood, etc I would become a "nuisance".
To me, the real question here is what do you actually "own" when you own land? The water doesn't seem to be included in most cases, and often trees and other wildlife seem to remain protected. Local governments can still control what and where you can build things. The government can even control the air space above your piece of dirt, and should eminent domain come into play, they can buy your land out from under you whether you agree or not. So do you really own anything?
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Let us say that you own a $200,000 home in the immediate vicinity of where people start erecting tents and piling up what appears to be garbage next door to you. You bought the land you now reside on and built your dream home. And right next to you is a group of people that are bring down the average home value in the neighborhood. I would be upset too… and want them to either abide by local ordinance or go somewhere else.
I realize that for many of you home ownership is off in the future. But for me, sinking 30 years of my life into paying for something to leave to my children is a big deal. It is not a pile of tires I want to live in or a tent or a 2x4 shack.
I have no issue with wanting to be off grid. I want to be off grid! And I am taking steps to do so. But I am also doing it in accordance with local ordinance and laws.
I have no idea where these people are doing this at. I have no idea of the neighborhood or if they even have neighbors. I am simply saying that there is always, at least, two sides to every story.
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This is a moment for action in a way that can be made to make a difference. Find those few who tend to make those laws and vote them out, change them write them, do something, If that's your mind set. So many of ...US... people, my self included just don't say anything but only get mad. What can a solution be to this? I know there are a very many difrent views here ive seen em... lets put our thinking caps on
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