Marijuana and its use

I would love to hear the collective thoughts on this topic. The use of Marijuana for healing and or force sensitivity practice?

To put as simply as I can, I do not believe in it's use for any reason unless prescribed by a doctor. However, I do not believe that I have the right to tell people what to do in their own homes. Just don't drive high because then it becomes about public safety.

I have the same views on alcohol in case you're interested. I know that many times people try to use the "alcohol is worse than pot" argument.

I feel that marijuana has very clear uses in medicine. It is great for combating nausea, easing pain, increasing the appetite, among other things. I have no problem with people using it for medicinal purposes.

As far as using it to assist with Force sensitivity? I've never thought about that possibility. Though I have heard of it being used in shamanic and other spiritual practices. I suppose the same general principles could be applied in your example. I am not opposed to its use for such things either. Provided the power of the plant is respected. I'm not even opposed to its use as a recreational drug. If people want to get high and laugh until they cry just for the sake of it that is their personal decision. As long as you aren't inflicting others with serious second hand smoke or trying to force the unwilling into using it I have no problem with you smoking a bowl every now and then.

If it was up to me - it's not - it would be a Blessed Holy Sacrament. And alcohol is so much more harmful than marijuana that saying otherwise is either a bad joke or a sign of extreme ignorance about the verifiable scientific studies on the substances.

If you use it just because it make you feel good and you're not abusing / misusing it - great. Our society has still not gotten over the Puritan crap - "The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.” ― H.L. Mencken

Study: Alcohol Is “More Than Twice As Harmful As Cannabis” — So Explain To Me Again Why Pot Is Illegal? - See more at: http://blog.norml.org/2011/11/01/study-alcohol-is-%E2%80%9Cmore-than-twice-as-harmful-as-cannabis%E2%80%9D-so-explain-to-me-again-why-pot-is-illegal/#sthash.u07Sfvhx.dpuf


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It's an intoxicant, so for me it weakens my connection to my feelings, my sensations, my own thoughts and the natural flow of my life. It heightens some things at the expense of others. In my opinion its use isn't especially "Jedi", just like consuming junk food isn't, watching crap soap operas isn't, etc etc. None of these things stop someone being Jedi, but they are the opposite of the goals of my practice.

But there's something wrong in a world where cannabis is illegal, and alcohol is not. That should be reversed, in my opinion (as a recovering alcoholic and ex stoner).

tzb wrote: It heightens some things at the expense of others.

But there's something wrong in a world where cannabis is illegal, and alcohol is not.

This.

Are You THC Deficient?
Humans may need cannabinoids to live a normal healthy life. Are you getting yours?

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/am-thc-deficient

"It heightens some things at the expense of others." For whom? I'm not saying everybody smoke pot. Don't go around snatching up any old toadstool that catches your eye either. The glasses I wear to see and be able to watch TV and drive would make most of you legally blind if you wore them and you'd be unable to do many things. The dose of insulin I took after breakfast today to stay healthy would put almost all of you (unless you are a very severe Type 2 Diabetic) in a coma and kill you in less than an hour without emergency medical measures to flood you with glucose.

This is not a case of sauce for the goose being sauce for the gander.

Some people don't get along with marijuana but others find it enriching and life enhancing. I can't tell you what is the right use for you - if any - and you can't tell me.

So close to God the Trinity is becoming a Quartet.

Br. John wrote: "It heightens some things at the expense of others." For whom?

tzb wrote: for me

Br. John wrote: I can't tell you what is the right use for you - if any - and you can't tell me.

Which is why I didn't.

I'm not chiding anyone or tying to be an ass. I quoted without reference referring to these types of statements in general. Many people make them and I have too.

I was not directing the post at anyone in particular but I see it looks like I did. Sorry for that.

I'm the first to admit that waking up in a public bathroom, lying in a pool of what you hope is your own filth, is not that fun. I know how I dealt with my own alcoholism and drug addiction - with lies and delusions. So take me with a grain of salt. I'm not a paragon of virtue.

I'm the one telling you if you can't be good be careful. And if you must do the wrong thing at least do it the right way.

Peace.



So close to God atheists don't believe in me either.

I don't remember, I'd have to try and let you know :lol: :silly:

That said, if I had kids, I wouldn't support any intoxicants until after at least 20 years of age.... due to their brain development, and my personal experiences.

Adder wrote: I don't remember, I'd have to try and let you know :lol: :silly:

That said, if I had kids, I wouldn't support any intoxicants until after at least 20 years of age.... due to their brain development, and my personal experiences.

Some of the latest research I've read says the brain is probably not fully developed until age 25. For instance http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/02/18/at-what-age-is-the-brain-fully-developed/ .


“Yeah I used to get stoned. A few years back I was pretty down. I'd just started a job, and my plugs weren't taking, my parents were brutally murdered and I was fat. So I turned to pot hoping it would solve my problems. And you know something. The only thing it fixed was my life.

I know it feels good. I know we've all read the 'scientific studies' that say it's non-addictive and there are no side effects. But scientists don't smoke pot. We do. And that's the difference.

All I'm saying is if you want to get high, then be prepared to spend a lot of time laughing with your friends. Think about it.”

~ Strangers With Candy - The Trip Back

plenty of people have died as a result of alcohol use....how many people have died from marijuana?....i can't think of a single person i know that uses pot and has died as a result....but i can make a pretty long list of people i personally knew that died as a result of alcohol use.....just saying....

My goal is to face reality, not change to illusion's face. I believe myself to already be equipped with everything I need to do that.

I don't think pot would do anything for me.

Honestly... and I'll be 100% honest here... I would rather be completely high all day every day than be addicted to sugar. I have the world's deadliest long-term disease/addiction, and I think pot would be a wonderful buffer. Not a cure, but at least something less harmful.

Everybody's perspective is different. As long as we all realize we should have no right to impede others' beliefs and needs, I think we can all agree that needless regulation is hurting our society more than helping it.

After such an AMAZING response. I shall weigh in again!

Alcohol - As DT's regress in the bloodstream the individual who has gotten to know them over the last bender, becomes very sick and near death. Only through the force can they survive this... oh and Human medical intervention.

Ol' Mary - Grown, not made, Weed, or Grass... Is used for a variety of issues. From appetite stimulation to depression management, this amazing little planet can and has literally healed those with: Cancer, and other forms of disease. As a former soldier, police AND firefighter (the big three) ... I use it on recreational as well as Medical basis for pain management. In the army i sustained a neck and back injury, that for 10 yrs only hurt me... Deal-able as a soldier put it. I was happy to deal as it "made me tough". After falling off a ladder with my air pack and fire gear on however, that hurt status became injured. Finding relief in stretching, yoga, and Marijuana.

I choose not to take any form of pills, what so ever. If antibiotics are required they can administer whilst i am unconscious. Pills i do believe are a very strong gateway to other "medicine" of narcotic nature. Easily confused with Medicine. As we know 500 years ago the earth was flat, and we the Jedi, not yet born to this planet.

Now we know we know nothing, and that what we wish is... Wisdom, not knowledge. Let us apply this to common sense. Seeing that some of the best medicine, TRUE medicine. Has been here the entire time. Patience and Calm has allowed this to come to the "LIGHT"

Thank you

-bow-

jake_sato wrote: After such an AMAZING response. I shall weigh in again!

Alcohol - As DT's regress in the bloodstream the individual who has gotten to know them over the last bender, becomes very sick and near death. Only through the force can they survive this... oh and Human medical intervention.

Ol' Mary - Grown, not made, Weed, or Grass... Is used for a variety of issues. From appetite stimulation to depression management, this amazing little planet can and has literally healed those with: Cancer, and other forms of disease. As a former soldier, police AND firefighter (the big three) ... I use it on recreational as well as Medical basis for pain management. In the army i sustained a neck and back injury, that for 10 yrs only hurt me... Deal-able as a soldier put it. I was happy to deal as it "made me tough". After falling off a ladder with my air pack and fire gear on however, that hurt status became injured. Finding relief in stretching, yoga, and Marijuana.

I choose not to take any form of pills, what so ever. If antibiotics are required they can administer whilst i am unconscious. Pills i do believe are a very strong gateway to other "medicine" of narcotic nature. Easily confused with Medicine. As we know 500 years ago the earth was flat, and we the Jedi, not yet born to this planet.

Now we know we know nothing, and that what we wish is... Wisdom, not knowledge. Let us apply this to common sense. Seeing that some of the best medicine, TRUE medicine. Has been here the entire time. Patience and Calm has allowed this to come to the "LIGHT"

Thank you

-bow-

I do agree with most of what you state. The medicinal use of this fine plant is fairly underestimated by the public because grand companies stigmatize its use with drug addicts and that you will be a bum if you use it. They do this because they can't patent a plant and therefore can't earn large sums of money. They can however earn money of of other pills like Ritalin, Prozac, Zoloft etc. They will not hesitate to push these pills into people(kids) when they're being difficult instead of making an effort to structure someones day-to-day life or make changes to diet or exercise.

Other pills like vitamins or aspirin can be harmless and are the only pills I swallow.

I am curious to know if there could be a possible enhancement of connection to the Force for some individuals using pot that might not exist otherwise. Considering the history of its ceremonial use in opening the mind and expanding consciousness, I have to wonder if some might not actually benefit?

• Marijuana is safer than alcohol.
  
  
• Taunting Chihuahuas is safer than jogging across the savannahs of Africa wearing meat around your neck.
  
  
• Juggling loaded fire arms is safer than dancing a jig in front of a pyroclastic flow.
  
  
• I might have gotten in a fight at school, but so-and-so stole a bike!

This entire line of thought is a Red Herring to the question posed in the original post. Sorry, that’s just how I see it. To the average reader, there could be an assertion of accuracy due to poster of said reference so I will play Devil’s Advocate in hopes to avoid an appeal of authority.

As to the question posed in the original post…

jake_sato wrote: I would love to hear the collective thoughts on this topic. The use of Marijuana for healing and or force sensitivity practice?

In my opinion, any stimulus taken to induce an altered state of perception or reality could confuse or alter the understanding or recognition of desired experience. In short if you took something to have a different experience how could you trust the reality of said experience due to your altered state?

TotJO does not have an official stance on the subject that I know of.

As for me, we exist in the now. And in this singular moment all the realities we can perceive are and if we are in this moment we will experience them. As for healing, there are several things that can be “healed” in a variety of methods. Some approved by the medical field and some not. I have found that mental state has a role to play in healing and if my mental state is not pure I can’t imagine that any healing done during that period will be either; whether it be physical, mental or spiritual in nature.

I have tried marijuana recreationally a few times, definitely less than 10. Only 4 times have I gotten high, the others I probably didn't inhale properly or something. Regardless, the few times it "worked" were not fun, I just got sleepy. The last two times were actually not fun at all, I felt like I was falling and was dizzy. I don't plan on ever doing it again, it was terrible, I should note it is legal here.

On the other hand, I have a friend who self-medicates for bi-polar disorder and I can 100% verify how much it helps him. He was an employee of mine and I saw him go from a nervous wreck to an award winning game developer. I think there are instances where marijuana is very good for a person from a medicinal perspective, I'm just not a person who likes its effects on me.

It's kinda funny, i came online a few moment ago to start a discussion about this topic and the first thing that pops up it this

I use it and i have used it daily for almost a year now. I don't need it for medical purposes, i use it because i like it. I've used it when i've wanted to seek deeper into myself and figure out my values and standpoints on a more exsistential level. I don't think this is the only way to do so, but to me it has helped a great deal. I feel more connected to the world around me when walking around as well as i get this feeling that my "way of thinking" is expanding when i'm under the influence of marijuana

To me it makes no sense that marijuana is not legal in many countries. Our governments are chosen to maintain the interests of the people. Just look at the marijuana market, it overwhelmingly big which means there is a demand/interest, a huge demand even, among the people. It makes no sense the governments around our world keeps it illegal as others will supply the demands if the governments won't.