Reality Tunnels

They found santa!!!!!! :woohoo:

He's at the end of the video

Who'd have thought he was a quantum scientist....

I miss Santa (aka RAW). He was an amazing individual.

Thanks, Jestor! Great video.

Jestor, that truly was a wonderful video! I completely agree and it was a fantastic existential explanation behind morality as well as science!

Thank you

Maynoth, while some might watch those videos, spamming nearly 40 minutes of video in 3 separate posts doesn't really add anything to the conversation...

Certainly for myself who simply doesn't have the time to sit through lots of material. A text based summary would be a better way to approach this...

Maître Jestor --

:laugh:


How is it that you have not understood me with regard to 'opinions' and yet you can post this wonderful video which quotes (more or less) Edmund Husserl, and admonishes "naïf realisme" ?

This short vidéo is excellent ! Thank you ...

Alexandré, my friend..

How can we both watch the same video, and see different things?

I want you to know, I posted this with you, and our conversation in mind...

The "reality tunnels" the speaker is talking about, are our perceptions of the world...

The "reality tunnels", which are our perceptions are individual, and when our personal intelligence is mixed with our "reality tunnels", then we form our opinions...

And, the second we try to convey our internal understandings, we are expressing facts, as we see them, yet opinion as others see them...

I just rewatched it, and now, i await Zenchi's opinion...

The man made reference to "scientists have all the answers", and said something about our "show me" society...

WHich I thought were pretty accurate to a strict scientific mind...

We may be seeing different things because we're watching from different angles. Perspective ...

I'm flattered that a conversation we've been having on and off for a while has burst forth onto the forum, and that it inspired this ! As such, I am now watching for Zenchi's reply too, as well as the replies of others.

I suggested to Sajjad a little bit ago that we launch into a study of I-Ching (this was a consideration upon furthering my study of the Tao Te Ching, then I just sort of forgot to get back to it -- Thank you for reminding me !). It would be fun and enriching and could probably show us through our opinions.

If we form our opinions by adding our personal intelligence to our "reality tunnels" - which makes me wonder where our personal intelligence comes from if not somewhere else in the "reality tunnel" -, how can we trust our opinions at all ? Whereas before, I was on about fallacy (sorry everybody, that is out of a conversation we've been having for a while - I'll write a different post about fallacy, for it doesn't belong here), if we chuck this model based on quantum physics on top of it, then we've added 'uncertainty' to that even. Not a good case for opinions, Jestor.

The scientific method sort of loses something with the intervention of uncertainty also, as we can no longer, at least on the quantum level, say that this is and this is not. We can only talk about probabilities.

There's the problem with opinions. we don't like to think that what we think is only somewhere on a probability curve. We like to be right. As it were, there is only an uncertain probability that we might get it right sometimes ...

... and there's humility in a [strike]nut[/strike] electron shell.

I'm going to be honest, I don't understand everything :blush:
Everybody use metaphor... "My roof is on fire !!!" :huh:

But I discover last week the "Reality Transurfing". I decide to study the work of Vadim Zeland. I saw that you talk about the Reality and Quantum Physics. Is there a relationship ?? Do you know this Scientist ?? :blush:

Thank you by advance. MTFBWY. Peace.

There's always a relationship somewhere, Tomy. That is what quantum physics gets around to, even if that relationship is just established now ... but then again no one understands quantum physics and I don't have a bloody clue what I'm talking about.

Transurfing is an interesting concept that sounds a lot like some of the stuff in Spirit Science or the Barefoot Doctor. The beauty of it is, it doesn't have to be right to promote a rupture from the competitive and cruel paradigm that we've nearly worn out. I'm just wondering if, once we get away from even our most 'altruistic' individualism and start really exercising our empathy and solidarity -- well, perhaps this sort of thing will realise itself.

It really is 'ancient knowledge' after all. Just remember, if we bring it back, we might not all have the right to mate ...

:blush:

Voici le lien qu'explique "Transurfing" :

http://www.transurfing.fr/component/content/article/9-newsletter/106-vadim-zeland-linterview.html

(I can't seem to find it in English ... but then most of you know how to do a web search. If not, ask Akkarin)

we form our opinions by adding our personal intelligence to our "reality tunnels" - which makes me wonder where our personal intelligence comes from if not somewhere else in the "reality tunnel" -, how can we trust our opinions at all ? Whereas before, I was on about fallacy (sorry everybody, that is out of a conversation we've been having for a while - I'll write a different post about fallacy, for it doesn't belong here), if we chuck this model based on quantum physics on top of it, then we've added 'uncertainty' to that even. Not a good case for opinions, Jestor.

lol...

I Know they cone from perspective, I forgot my "wink" face... lol...

Uncertainty and fallacy, play a large part in opinion...

We state our opinion, pick a topic...

But only the unwise stand strong on their opinions... The wise express opinion like flowing water, ready to change direction should something block the current path of travel...

I feel our "personal intelligence" comes from, well, our perceptions, lol...

We take the opinions of others, things we interpret for ourselves by self observation of the world, and our thoughts...

I still see no alternative to my statement that everything is opinion, lol...

Its a bold statement, but, I really don't see where im wrong in saying it...

Yet... lol....

@Zaru...

Im working on understanding Quantum Physics or Quantum Mechanics...

I've never tried to understand it before, and I have ask others if there was some basic information for a beginner, but, if there is, no one must know it... :lol:...

So, im trying to find stuff..

Sometimes I think I'm in a bubble, within my tunnel :S

The comparison of opinion to flowing water is an amazing one. When I think of this topic I think of George Orwell's novel 1984, which proves that reality is based on perspective. If everyone in the world except you believes 2 plus two is five and you believe two plus two is four then who is wrong? Who is insane? If there is no way to prove something you believe to someone else then perhaps you should change your thinking some. This doesn't mean you should assume yourself wrong in every argument/debate, though it does mean that only the wisest of men/women are willing to change their opinions when presented with new evidence. Only a fool would think he/she knows everything about anything. There is always more to learn, and there is always something out there to change how you think, and mayhaps, improve upon it.

Adder wrote: Sometimes I think I'm in a bubble, within my tunnel :S

I know the feeling. But for me its as if I'm a riddle wrapped in an enigma, printed in an open book swathed in silk, locked a iin buried chest on a deserted island somewhere far from here.