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15 Apr 2013 19:38 #103313 by
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Is it because we are the weakest creatures that have been made, that makes us the most dangerous? Is there a way that we can conquer our own inhibition for power and glory to finally live in peace? Is there a way to finally learn to live in peace with our planet? I think not. We ARE the weakest species put on this planet. The way that we are most dangerous is to be like Hiroshima, Nagasaki, The Trinity Test site, Los Alamos New Mexico. Nukes. That's what makes us dangerous. Perhaps that is why you hear of abductions, just not occurring to most people. Perhaps the E.T.'s and the UFO's have already figured this out. Perhaps it is their way of thinning the herd. Just waiting for us to kill each other off.

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15 Apr 2013 20:34 #103322 by
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Do you study much Amos?

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15 Apr 2013 20:58 #103331 by
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Amos_Tzao wrote: We ARE the weakest species put on this planet.


I think I am somewhat stronger than a Chicken...

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15 Apr 2013 22:54 #103350 by
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Amos, honestly, it seems that you view human beings very cynically, and you seem to have a good deal of anger. This is not necessarily wrong, but it can become very wrong when your cynical and angry views lead to self damage and/or the damage of others. Please, there is no need for that.

If you need someone to chat with, you can send me a private message. Often times, I find that having someone willing to hear a distressed person's views can relieve a lot of the stress. Of course, if you'd rather talk to someone with more experience, you should do that. Also, we have a confidential Temple Hotline where you can express yourself confidentially and peacefully there. In other words, I hope you can talk this over with someone else and gain some perspective. There really is no need to be angry or cynical, etc.

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16 Apr 2013 03:40 #103387 by
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Though I don't agree that we as a species are bad or the weakest, I do understand how a person's weakness could make them dangerous. It makes sense. What does a threatened animal do? It attacks. When we feel vulnerable or weak we don't tend to make the best decisions.

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16 Apr 2013 05:42 #103399 by
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think of it like a team with a leader, in one sense the person who needs to see leadership the most is the leader themselves, all the weaknesses we possess were created out of our accomplishments and strengths so from the same argument, you are the strongest species

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16 Apr 2013 16:01 #103432 by
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I am not cynical, I just tend to see the bad come out of people in MANY various ways. Do you want proof of what I tell you? Go to Boston. Talk to them about their most recent marathon. That is perhaps an underlying situation of what we're all capable of. You could be Al-Qaeda, or you can be the old man across the street, both are equally capable of such mass devastation and death of their brethren.

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16 Apr 2013 16:10 - 16 Apr 2013 16:57 #103435 by
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Another bleeding heart, just great. I think I approached someone last month with this "woe is me" outlook. So...mankind is evil, weak, and the world's turned to shit. What are you going to do about it, sit back, gripe and bitch, or get up, log off, go outside and DO SOMETHING to better the world you live in? Choice is yours...
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16 Apr 2013 18:05 - 16 Apr 2013 18:22 #103449 by
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But we're also capable of many other good things.

The boy who saved his young neighbor from a house fire. Troutdale Fire

The people who just do basic neighborly good deeds. Rainstorm

Doctors who travel the world to help the less fortunate. This video's pretty cute. Cleft Lip Surgery

There are just as many good stories out there as there are bad.


*Edit* Just saw this picture on facebook of a firefighter in Australia.

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16 Apr 2013 18:07 #103450 by
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Amos_Tzao wrote: I am not cynical, I just tend to see the bad come out of people in MANY various ways.


There is good in nearly every situation. Look for it. All you focus on is the bad.

Amos_Tzao wrote: Go to Boston. Talk to them about their most recent marathon. That is perhaps an underlying situation of what we're all capable of.


What about all the runners, spectators, police and national guard who immediately ran towards all the victims? What about all the runners who, instead of going home and heading towards safety, diverted their route and ran to the nearest hospitals to donate blood?

Chances are, you can count the number of people on one hand that were involved in the bombing, but I highly doubt you can count the number of people who ran in to help the injured on even 2 hands...not including all the people who have been donating to the Red Cross.

Zenchi hit the nail on the head. What I am about to ask is not an attack on you, it's just to get you thinking: What have you done about this situation to prove that we aren't all evil and weak? What have you done in any disaster situation to help the victims...to show the brighter, kinder and more helpful side of humanity?

As I said, my questions were not an attack on you...just merely there to get you thinking. Only pointing out the bad is never healthy. You have to look for the good, you have to show that there is good. Don't forget there are 2 sides to every coin.

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16 Apr 2013 18:33 #103456 by
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Wendaline, you melt my cold black heart :)

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16 Apr 2013 19:03 #103459 by
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:laugh: You're too funny!

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16 Apr 2013 20:53 - 16 Apr 2013 20:57 #103466 by
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I rarely share acts of random kindness commited by me because I don't do it for the attention but this is one I felt you should hear about.

I once had a friend who did not judge on looks, he didn't care if you were black, white, gay, straight, male, female, transexual, anything at all, if he loved you, he loved you it was genuinely as simple as that, he wasn't the smartest guy either, he reminded me a lot of Lenny from "Of Mice and Men" one day he got into a relationship with a transsexual, his parents didn't agree with this, they hated the idea of him dating a "lady boy" and so they made his life hell, his girlfriend was not allowed to stay at theirs, they constantly gave him verbal abuse and even upped his rent so he could not afford to go see her as often.

I made him an offer that he could move in with me until he could resolve things with his parents in a calm and neutral manner, he declined until a few weeks later when he accepted, he then came to stay with me for a period of about 4 weeks, now this guy was a guy whom I had known for a long time.

I would defend him with my life because he is a decent human being, he does not judge and he'll try his best to be there for you, he has never asked me for a single thing in our entire friendship I've stood up for him because he's too afraid to stand up for himself in case he offends the bully.

Now to me a man who will sit there and take abuse so others don't have to is by far more giving and selfless than a guy who will attack someone weaker than them.

So when you sit there and see the negativity in the world, let me just remind you of one fact.


Good people do not get attention for their good deeds, the world is by far more interested in the gossip of bad people, it's so much easier to believe someone has done a bad thing than it is to believe someone is capable of doing a good thing.
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16 Apr 2013 21:36 - 16 Apr 2013 21:38 #103469 by Brenna
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On the Boston tragedy, I read this earlier today and thought that its is pertinant, not only to this thread but to Jedi as a whole

"We look at the horrors of Boston today, and we're again shaken to our core.

Throughout our history, there have always been monsters among us, their terrible deeds searing us with confusion and pain. They've peppered our history books and our headlines with terrible acts done for terrible reasons, and they will always be among us.

But I will not give them this day.

I give today to those who could have run from the chaotic scene, but instead broke through barriers and rushed to the sides of total strangers in pain. I give today to the paramedics, police, firefighters and physicians who worked to heal what another had so horribly hurt. I give today to the communities, both physical and online, working to find avenues that might provide financial and emotional support to the wounded and grieving. I give today to the best of us.

It is a terrible day. But when I look at humankind, I will not define it by the anonymous cowards bent on destruction and chaos. I will define it by so many more who demonstrated something beautiful in the face of so much ugliness.

To the good, the compassionate, the brave, the helpful, the kind, the loving and the generous...I give the day to you."



And then theres this sort of thing,
http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_pinker_on_the_myth_of_violence.html



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17 Apr 2013 08:52 #103504 by
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Amos_Tzao wrote: You could be Al-Qaeda, or you can be the old man across the street, .


*sighs* I remember the time I once stole mail from the old guy across the street, it was junk mail, a cloudy day and not a tear was wept for his junk mail. :P

but I agree with Zenchi, bystanders who do nothing are just as pathetic, we aren't the weakest species, what are we comparing it to? the alpha male system of greed and betrayal in wolves? the chemicals shark mothers spray on the babies that gives them one minute to flee and leave before the mother kills them? this is in every species, animals are capable of things from homosexuality to murder as are humans, so don't start going on that humanity is evil, everything is evil, but to add to that, humanity is also good and everything is good.

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17 Apr 2013 09:08 #103506 by Brenna
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sidvkili wrote:

Amos_Tzao wrote: You could be Al-Qaeda, or you can be the old man across the street, .


*sighs* I remember the time I once stole mail from the old guy across the street, it was junk mail, a cloudy day and not a tear was wept for his junk mail. :P

but I agree with Zenchi, bystanders who do nothing are just as pathetic, we aren't the weakest species, what are we comparing it to? the alpha male system of greed and betrayal in wolves? the chemicals shark mothers spray on the babies that gives them one minute to flee and leave before the mother kills them? this is in every species, animals are capable of things from homosexuality to murder as are humans, so don't start going on that humanity is evil, everything is evil, but to add to that, humanity is also good and everything is good.


Just because I'm not sure I'm seeing the correlation, how does homosexuality tie in with murder and violence?



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17 Apr 2013 09:28 #103507 by
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Brenna wrote:

sidvkili wrote:

Amos_Tzao wrote: You could be Al-Qaeda, or you can be the old man across the street, .


*sighs* I remember the time I once stole mail from the old guy across the street, it was junk mail, a cloudy day and not a tear was wept for his junk mail. :P

but I agree with Zenchi, bystanders who do nothing are just as pathetic, we aren't the weakest species, what are we comparing it to? the alpha male system of greed and betrayal in wolves? the chemicals shark mothers spray on the babies that gives them one minute to flee and leave before the mother kills them? this is in every species, animals are capable of things from homosexuality to murder as are humans, so don't start going on that humanity is evil, everything is evil, but to add to that, humanity is also good and everything is good.


Just because I'm not sure I'm seeing the correlation, how does homosexuality tie in with murder and violence?


different ends of the spectrum I was addressing, one is a form of love and devotion that is also a symbol of equal rights and murder and violence is destruction and pain

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17 Apr 2013 09:53 #103508 by Brenna
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Ah. Gotcha! I was a bit confused there :)



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17 Apr 2013 19:09 #103554 by
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You COULD continue to critique something that is quite old, OR you COULD write your own, and have people come up with an opinion of their own.

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17 Apr 2013 19:32 #103561 by
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That's a very good story, and an even better reply. I rarely get those. I thank you for that.

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