Funny...but in a Learn_To_Know kind of way

So I grew up Christian-Mormon and my mother is well aware of my fading loyalties to Christianity over the years. </backstory>

So the other day my Mom asked if I still believe in Christ as God.

I told her that I believe a lot of Christ's teachings as good, but no, I don't believe he was God. She said to me "Have you fallen that far?"

I had to laugh when she said that. It's funny to me because she thinks I've "fallen so far" when I feel like I've been buoyed up by this Temple and the teachings here and their practicality. I feel far from "fallen so far."

Anyway, I guess it wasn't that funny, but I had to chuckle when she said that.

My mom is Baptist, Dad was Catholic...

My parents let me choose my religious path... I was always seeking Dad's approval, so I went with the Catholic outwardly...

Didn't stick though....

I told my mom I was a Jedi, she looked at me and said, "well, OK"...

We discussed it a bit more, and that was that....

Dad and I never really got along.... Till the end, I wish he was still here so I could tell him about this Jedi stuff...

Christianity is the idea of "my way or the high way." Islam is the same teachings and is more accepting until you read the writing after the quran (the prophet muhhamad started to abuse the power of his word in my opinion so I read no more than the quran.)

See Christ is seen as a god in any religion but christianity. He is seen in islam as a prophet but no more than a man. And Judiasm sees him as just a man no connection to their yhwh (yahweh.) So not beleiving christ is god is only seen strange in ONE religion. You haven't fallen and won't fall unless you truly become a evil person. I think it's logical to beleive that Christ isn't god. Here is two reasons:
1) dogs begot dogs. Humans begot humans. Now how is it logical that god had a baby who is just a mortal man? He would be a demi god. He would be the next hercules! Btw not that I am thinking of it if christians believe that they are much like the Greeks who believed Zeus came down and slept with women giving them demi god offspring.
2) Why would the greatest being in the world, beyond all comprehension, become a creation? You build a lego tower and you never want to become a lego tower. You build a castle and you never want to become a castle. It makes no sense for a being that can do literally anything, to step down and become a man out of all things! A MAN! Like he could become things beyond imagination, but he wants to be a mortal weak (ugly according to the bible) man. He has dominion over the whole universes and every creature on this planet and the next! But he wants to be a man who will die painfully. This is highly illogical. God only talks through people and gives themm a divine spark because the people have a stronger connection. Think of Jedis off star wars mediclorian counts (I probably butchered the spelling.) Yeah everyone wanted to become a jedi but only those with "strong connections with the force" could do so. Think of god as the energy of the force and you will see that it is ALL but it is beyond humans, beyond a mind, beyond actions. For if it truly had any true "love" for humans our lives would be so much sweeter. In reality it is everything and looks out for all things, not specifically humans. It is something you must learn for yourself to truly understand and words can't describe it. Now since it lets wars go on and bad things should we through out any sort of reverence? No because it is the reason why you are here and you have the people you love. This is why it is silly to think god would become a human. To lesser itself. See in the star wars idea of jedi Jesus, Moses, Adam, and all those names written in holy scriptures as prophets are "Jedis" for they have strong connections with the "force" and are able to receive guidance such as "jedis" do.

If anybody ever wonders why I use quotes its because all these words can be interchanged with a million others and this is how it relates to Jediism and its not a way to mock but hopefully strengthen your belief systems in it.

So this being said not believing in Jesus being a God is not falling far, but thinking outside of the ideas that were instilled onto you through birth. To do evil in the way you only enjoy when it is done is an act of falling. Thinking logically isn't falling.

Nameless.... I'll give you this.. you can ramble...

I believe the whole point with Christianity's concept of Jesus as divine was so that God could directly experience what it was like to be human. Kind of like the CEO of a multi-national company spending the day working as one of the cleaners. Anyway, that's only the later, Paul-inspired teachings of Christianity. There are schools of thought that believe Jesus claimed not to be THE son of God but A son of God, as we all are.

PloKoon wrote: Nameless.... I'll give you this.. you can ramble...

Large ideas take more than a single sentence.

@Mark
see I see it more likely he said he was a son of god and people misinterpreted it and pushed it along for over a thousand years. To say you are THE son of god is awfully ballsy for ANYBODY (christ or anybody) else to say. I have a booklet hanging around which talks nothinng but discussing how Jesus was not the son. In fact it had quoteswhere he said he was not THE son. I have it somewhere in a box (just moved) but of course like most books its biased because it was a book for recent muslims who are converts from christianity so I even spotted one quuote that was a part of a single verse but not the whole thing, it cut off from dont call me lord but I dont remember the rest of the script off hand tho from the actual bible.

Large only in your mind... you solidified it using the word "ballsy"...

PloKoon wrote: Large only in your mind... you solidified it using the word "ballsy"...

If that is an insult geared towards me?

As you "insult" Christians on this site with your views, I can only point out those thoughts which make you look small... and for someone who's been here (on this site) two minutes... wisdom is sometimes limiting your ignorant words....

PloKoon wrote: As you "insult" Christians on this site with your views, I can only point out those thoughts which make you look small... and for someone who's been here (on this site) two minutes... wisdom is sometimes limiting your ignorant words....

I really don't have time to play this game with you.

Let us please stay on topic.

"fallen so far" is from her point of view. And if the two of you do not have a common frame of reference then any debate would be pointless. You could try to explain what it is your views are. Perhaps if you both can be willing to at least see the others side, an understanding can be reached.

I am of the opinion that one should always try to get along with ones family. And often when we teach it helps us to become better acquainted with the material.

Wescli Wardest wrote: Let us please stay on topic.

"fallen so far" is from her point of view. And if the two of you do not have a common frame of reference then any debate would be pointless. You could try to explain what it is your views are. Perhaps if you both can be willing to at least see the others side, an understanding can be reached.

I am of the opinion that one should always try to get along with ones family. And often when we teach it helps us to become better acquainted with the material.

Agreed

Jestor wrote: My mom is Baptist, Dad was Catholic...

My parents let me choose my religious path... I was always seeking Dad's approval, so I went with the Catholic outwardly...

Didn't stick though....

I told my mom I was a Jedi, she looked at me and said, "well, OK"...

We discussed it a bit more, and that was that....

Dad and I never really got along.... Till the end, I wish he was still here so I could tell him about this Jedi stuff...

I wasn't allowed to choose my religious path. But I will let my own sons choose.

I haven't told my parents yet that I'm a believer in Jediism. They're too dogmatic in their own religion and I'd rather not (for the time being) ruffle their feathers more than I already have.

I've told several others and (except for my wife, who has since come around) some are getting interested themselves the more I talk about it.

Wescli Wardest wrote:
"fallen so far" is from her point of view. And if the two of you do not have a common frame of reference then any debate would be pointless. You could try to explain what it is your views are. Perhaps if you both can be willing to at least see the others side, an understanding can be reached.

I am of the opinion that one should always try to get along with ones family. And often when we teach it helps us to become better acquainted with the material.

Oh I know what you're saying here. I didn't give much of a back story to the "humor" part of my post, but I agree completely to what you've said.

Titus 3:5 states... "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us..."
Ephesians 2:8,9 we are told, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Romans 4:5 reads, "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

lol In the bible it says that once you have REALLY accepted Christ, you cannot fall from grace! "FOR ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD" Romans 3:23 This is doctrine taught in the church. Yet, some choose to ignore it as people who don't read the bible tend to do. You cannot fall from grace! You can stray off a chosen path in loo of another one.. But the doctrine teaches that once you have... REALLY accepted Christ, you are on a path towards Him!! As long as you were... REALLY SAVED... what the hell does that mean.. Did you give your heart to Christ and only Christ? Or did you give your heart to an idea that there is a power greater than yourself and that you yourself are imperfect enough to seek a better balance with yourself?
Galatians 5:4
For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace.
Sometimes believing only in the doctrine or a limited interpretation of it is less like Christ than some would like to think!

@ Planet of Chaos

That's kind of an Evangelical/Protestant way of looking at it. The LDS/Mormon interpretation is a little bit (some might say a lot) different than that.

One of the scriptures in the Mormon canon (and in the Temple's library) reads like this; "For we know it is by grace that we are saved after all we can do."

So you see, there is no such thing as once saved, always saved in my old faith. It's highly dependent on trying and working at being righteous. And although Mormons wouldn't say your works or righteousness save you, they would save it qualifies or makes you worthy to be saved.

Oh yeah.. forgot! Mormon! lol I just got up on my anti-evangelical soap box as if I was defending my own reasons for becoming a Jedi.. not really helping you in the process lol.. Sorry! I know a few who have decided to not follow the Mormon faith and their relatives think this is just the worst thing EVER! Some relatives won't even talk to them! Problem is, I've read the Mormon bible, as have my friends, and they (as would I) have lots of questions.. Seems the questions aren't all that welcome! So painful, I feel it is for a Mormon to go against the will of the family, being that family is the central focus.. I can imagine it more painful for anyone in the Mormon faith to see someone leave as it gives less and less validity to the Mormon way of life... Though it doesn't manifest as that particular concern.. Do you feel any that resonating with you?

I grew up Mormon/LDS too. I left the church when I was 17 to figure out what the truth was. I was always told that I needed to have faith whenever I asked a question. I may be a person who is blind, but I don't practice blind faith. Smile. My family was very upset that I left. The Mormons believe in the sealing of the family. This means that people go to the temple to get married and their children are bonded to them for eternity. So when a Mormon leaves the church, people believe that person is saying they wish to be cut off from the family unit. About a month ago, my grandmother called the missionaries to ask them to come to my house and talk to me about rejoining the church. Yikes. What was fun was that I took seminary when I was a high school student and know a lot about the Mormon doctrine. I sent them home to do more research a few times which was fun. I think it'd be really funny too if my parents had asked me if I'd fallen so far. My parents drink beer and margueritas and my sisters are both single parents. It's pretty nuts. Anyway, I should probably take the same adfice you're getting on the subject as, even though my family doesn't follow some major tenets of the religion, they are insistent that I do. LOL. Anyway, may the Force be with us always.
Leena

@ Planet of Chaos

I have heard others speak of bad experiences when their family was told/found out they left the Mormon Faith. Generally, I haven't had to deal with that. Just some comments every now and again that expresses their displeasure.

This is part of the trials...I'll get through it unscathed.

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