Definition of Christianity.

According to the dictionary definition of worship which I posted earlier even simple reverence/respect is a form of worship. Worship does not have to be conditioned by complicated rituals or having some kind of object or image.

Dhagon Krayt wrote:

I still see no reason to worship it. Life Is. Thats all, if you worshipped life, you'd have to worship everything that lives, that could be time consuming don't you think?

I don`t know about the time thing, but I personally I manage to fit it in every minute of the day by trying to love (reverence/respect) everything I meet in daily life.

Sweet, so by the dictionary definition of \"worship\". All people, even Christians break the commandment \"worship on others, no idols\" (paraprasing) because by simply respecting say, one of your parents, you worship them. Thats a sin! By respecting the pastor of your church, you are worshiping him, or the president (not that most like or respect him). I respect you Br. Hans, but in no way do I or would I worship you. Text book definitions hold little weight to me, many times, this is definately one of them. I'm pretty sure that most Christians would even agree they don't like that definition, concidering what it would imply.

Though I don't Love much, and don't try to love everything, I do agree, I respect most life as it is given in general sense, but I do not respect all that live, because I believe that many give up their rights by committing certain crimes or by committing other less hanous crimes repeatedly, and anyone who attempts to harm myself or my family. My family of course consists of my wife, kids, parents, siblings, so on, and my brothers and sisters in arms.

DK

Whoops, should proof read before submitting, that line should read...
\"worship no others, and no idols\" still paraprasing.

DK

Well Br.Dhagon this is where we part our ways, i do respect and try to love all life. Including criminals. But then again, each to his own.

Lol, now back onto our topic of worship. Now if we did not have a defining point of reference such as a dictionary then the chores of discussion would be considerably more difficult. But there are people who like to make life more difficult.

Now lets look at the words Worship and Respect. Worship in relation to Respect has a much narrower sense. Someone who worships actomatically is respectfull. Someone who is respectfull does not necessarily worship. This solves your problem of idolatry in Christianity.

Dhagon Krayt - this Jedi site is of a \"religious\" nature. It is founded as that, and although you and I may not understand - does it matter?

(I suspect you did not grow-up in this sort of church environment.)

I am known here as a \"secularist\" and have been welcomed and treated as a sister. I am also allowed my \"securlar\" point of view which tells me this is a good place - and moreover - a Jedi place.

There may be some things done here I do not feel are mainstream Jedi, or even possibly Jedi at all, but I also see this site helping others.

Secularists and Christians, etc., can all prosletyze - but Jedi do not. I know this is a lesson I recently had to learn?

We can also question - and discuss - and it's that to the benefit of all?

But realize the nature of this site. It is based on very religious/church ideals. As Jedi we must respect and allow for all...especially if they do good. (If they do harm - well - that is a different story of course!)

This weekend at Jedi Sanctuary this very discussion is occuring. It is also a ULC church - but it likewise has a different view . They believe Jediism is a spirituality - for the most part. We can all HAVE spiritualities where as we ARE our religions.

(I AM Buddhist, I AM Christian, I AM Moslem etc. or I FOLLOW Jediism, or I FOLLOW Buddhism, or I FOLLOW Christianity.) This particular site and others believe they ARE Jedi. They take that to mean it is a religious calling.

I choose to have no religion. But I do have many spiritualities?

As a Jedi, I see it as an active body/spirit/mind pursuit through training. I feel I find some of my training here at TOTJO because of the philosophical conversations...and spiritual entity?

...The question is not right or wrong...for them...but for we as individual Jedi? For me the answer is I see good here. It is good because it is tolerant - and being tolerant - I see it follows the Jedi Path.

(Did I make sense?)

-Asta Sophi

Asta Sophi wrote:

Dhagon Krayt - this Jedi site is of a \"religious\" nature. It is founded as that, and although you and I may not understand - does it matter?

(I suspect you did not grow-up in this sort of church environment.)

I am known here as a \"secularist\" and have been welcomed and treated as a sister. I am also allowed my \"securlar\" point of view which tells me this is a good place - and moreover - a Jedi place.

There may be some things done here I do not feel are mainstream Jedi, or even possibly Jedi at all, but I also see this site helping others.

Secularists and Christians, etc., can all prosletyze - but Jedi do not. I know this is a lesson I recently had to learn?

We can also question - and discuss - and it's that to the benefit of all?

But realize the nature of this site. It is based on very religious/church ideals. As Jedi we must respect and allow for all...especially if they do good. (If they do harm - well - that is a different story of course!)

This weekend at Jedi Sanctuary this very discussion is occuring. It is also a ULC church - but it likewise has a different view . They believe Jediism is a spirituality - for the most part. We can all HAVE spiritualities where as we ARE our religions.

(I AM Buddhist, I AM Christian, I AM Moslem etc. or I FOLLOW Jediism, or I FOLLOW Buddhism, or I FOLLOW Christianity.) This particular site and others believe they ARE Jedi. They take that to mean it is a religious calling.

I choose to have no religion. But I do have many spiritualities?

As a Jedi, I see it as an active body/spirit/mind pursuit through training. I feel I find some of my training here at TOTJO because of the philosophical conversations...and spiritual entity?

...The question is not right or wrong...for them...but for we as individual Jedi? For me the answer is I see good here. It is good because it is tolerant - and being tolerant - I see it follows the Jedi Path.

(Did I make sense?)

-Asta Sophi

Absolutely

Drat! Wish I could edit..lol

Worship is believing the Force to be honored, as higher than. Respect is the same?

I felt those things as a Christian towards God/Jesus but not as a Jedi towards the Force.

That said - tolerance is an act of love. In love, we do honor as not higher - but to rejoice! -to paraphrase Aristotle.

To love the Force is to love - for the Force is of all things (to me).

The mystery is deep and wide...I don't think I'm for it today lol...but I hope that helps in the conversation (I'm at work - sorry.)

- Asta Sophi

Asta Sophi wrote:

Drat! Wish I could edit..lol

Worship is believing the Force to be honored, as higher than. Respect is the same?

I felt those things as a Christian towards God/Jesus but not as a Jedi towards the Force.

That said - tolerance is an act of love. In love, we do honor as not higher - but to rejoice! -to paraphrase Aristotle.

To love the Force is to love - for the Force is of all things (to me).

The mystery is deep and wide...I don't think I'm for it today lol...but I hope that helps in the conversation (I'm at work - sorry.)

- Asta Sophi

16.10. Jedi believe in destiny and trust in the will of the Force. We accept the fact that what seems to be random events are not random at all, but the design of the Force. Each living creature has a purpose, understanding that purpose comes with a deep awareness of the Force. Even things that happen which seem negative have a purpose, though that purpose is not easy to see.

...indeed the Force is something greater to be respected, loved and reveared. Just as a Christian might for God.

For some....yes...they feel the Force is like God.

For many the Force is not...and cannot be worshipped as such.

Tolerance is the answer.


-Asta

Asta Sophi wrote:

For some....yes...they feel the Force is like God.

For many the Force is not...and cannot be worshipped as such.

Tolerance is the answer.


-Asta

Dear Lizzy:

Since I know how much you hate titles, yet, you know more than many Jedi Masters, I hereby crown you Ms. Liz - Queen Bee of Jediism.

Problem solved.

I implore you (for The Gipper?) to instruct our Welcome to Jediism 101 seminar and in return I'll (let's works that out later).:whistle:

I'm asking you to do something that few I know can do; educate the public about the core of Jediism without bias. I've takes the liberty of getting Jediism.info and we can pay you $1.00 a year to be its Editor.

Love,

John Henry;)

Queen Bee is good! LOLOL... But I certainly do not know more about Jediism - but possibly my view of it - than anyone else.

Of course I'd be happy to help with anything you ask. But so many times Jediism as a discussion is the best method of learning. Such as was shown here...I so enjoy reading the philosophies here!

I am always willing to share anything...but would want to pass it by others here for their input?

- Asta

Asta Sophi wrote:

Queen Bee is good! LOLOL... But I certainly do not know more about Jediism - but possibly my view of it - than anyone else.

Of course I'd be happy to help with anything you ask. But so many times Jediism as a discussion is the best method of learning. Such as was shown here...I so enjoy reading the philosophies here!

I am always willing to share anything...but would want to pass it by others here for their input?

- Asta

We are not the newest game in town and we are not the most difficult game in town but we ARE the Source of the First of Many Things New to Jediism (Real World).

We are enablers.

Though legally we are a 'church' we accept members who do not believe we are a church in full communion and accommodate requests for non-titles etc. We are equally an Educational corporation as a Religious corporation; it's in the main part of our Articles of Incorporation. We all agree that we are a community for better or worse and most of us agree that it is our duty to love even those who injure us.

Love Thy Enemy does not equal Make Your Enemy Your Friend but it reminds us that to hate our enemy's hurts ourselves.

Love your enemy as an enemy.

Remember that more often than not Right makes Might rather than might makes Right.

M (John Henry)

Asta Sophi wrote:

For some....yes...they feel the Force is like God.

For many the Force is not...and cannot be worshipped as such.

Tolerance is the answer.


-Asta

Why should we be limited to a God-Man or not relationship? There are so many more possibilities (my complimentary opposite; my being part in the whole...). There are so many relationships or marriages where on partner \"worships\" the other. I don`t think \"tolerance\" as going far enough, after all does our society not trie to tolerate insanity. This does not mean that an issue is being accepted as an inherent truth. What we have is a freedom of choice between one truth or another. To choose means to distinguish and take the consequences.

I only give my responses when I feel like I should, this is a great topic. It could be titled \"The Chicken or the Egg\", none of you are right. None of you are wrong. This is one of those round conversations that is not going to end. I do enjoy coming here, and yes you could say that I 'worship' here, but also I am not a religious person.

We are all here because in each of us, there is voice that others can't hear. Be it our conscience, faith, or heart, whatever you call it. We are here because of our belief in the Force, period, end of story. It just proves to me what a gift we have been given, the ability to talk with like minded people, on any topic. 'Worship' here if you must, I believe the concept of worship has been tied to major religions for so long it is synonymous with all religion.

It is my understanding, this is a religion. This is a church. But, our church, synagogue, temple, or out house, whatever you want to call it, is ours. We have the ability to change all the grievances that people have about religion, and we do that by showing our tolerance, and helping those in need. My real worship is in me all day, every day. The Force is with us, sometimes over the debates we can forget that.


MTFBWY!!!!

KieranHalcyon wrote:

I only give my responses when I feel like I should, this is a great topic. It could be titled \"The Chicken or the Egg\", none of you are right. None of you are wrong. This is one of those round conversations that is not going to end. I do enjoy coming here, and yes you could say that I 'worship' here, but also I am not a religious person.

We are all here because in each of us, there is voice that others can't hear. Be it our conscience, faith, or heart, whatever you call it. We are here because of our belief in the Force, period, end of story. It just proves to me what a gift we have been given, the ability to talk with like minded people, on any topic. 'Worship' here if you must, I believe the concept of worship has been tied to major religions for so long it is synonymous with all religion.

It is my understanding, this is a religion. This is a church. But, our church, synagogue, temple, or out house, whatever you want to call it, is ours. We have the ability to change all the grievances that people have about religion, and we do that by showing our tolerance, and helping those in need. My real worship is in me all day, every day. The Force is with us, sometimes over the debates we can forget that.


MTFBWY!!!!

Far from this being a battle of witts, as to what came first, this is an attempt to understand, explore and grow. Each person has their view, their own personal experience, their own real truth.

To me, Christianity, is just bad, not for everyone obviously, but for me, bad, with a capital B. Why? Because I was forced to go to horrid church gatherings during the holidays, while everyone else I knew, was out doing other things, like.......looking at lights on people's houses or something. Me? No, I had psycho grandparents that made us do the church thing.


As for me now, it is just another belief in something bigger than themselves. For most of those, it's so that they have something they can blame their problems on, and to thank when things go right, instead of taking the credit for their good/ill fortunes themselves, which they should be doing.

Personal observation, wonderful thing, isn't it? And for the record, just because they ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil they got banished from paradise, now that's just messed up.

Lord Khord wrote:

To me, Christianity, is just bad, not for everyone obviously, but for me, bad, with a capital B. Why? Because I was forced to go to horrid church gatherings during the holidays, while everyone else I knew, was out doing other things, like.......looking at lights on people's houses or something. Me? No, I had psycho grandparents that made us do the church thing.


As for me now, it is just another belief in something bigger than themselves. For most of those, it's so that they have something they can blame their problems on, and to thank when things go right, instead of taking the credit for their good/ill fortunes themselves, which they should be doing.

Personal observation, wonderful thing, isn't it? And for the record, just because they ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil they got banished from paradise, now that's just messed up.

Lol...some might see eating from the tree as being the first break into freedom and taking responsability for decisions.

The Jesus of the Christian religion according to me it first and real Jedi knight.His role has to be big in the Jedi religion according to me. He could be a big ideal for us because of this.

Eridanus wrote:

The Jesus of the Christian religion according to me it first and real Jedi knight.His role has to be big in the Jedi religion according to me. He could be a big ideal for us because of this.

...some even see Him as being Lord of the Force.