Nocturnes, day sleepers, diurnally challenged, or Night people

This is an article I found online after a discussion I had with multiple members on Skype today regarding what I was doing wrong with my sleep habits and regarding other things I should attempt to do to sleep "normally". I am curious as to how this topic would be viewed in the TotJO community so I'm putting this link up so people can read and share their thoughts. Now it's almost 11:30 in the morning and way past my bedtime so I guess I can read anyone's opinions when I wake up.

http://www.nightworkers.com/discrimation.html

I'm pretty certain that this debate ends at the question of necessity. An Army soldier has a 4 on 4 off sleep pattern so why should I? Alot of people have alot of important things to do at 3am. It's just that some of us are better at convincing others that our activities are important.

That's all I'm gonna say...

Jackofalltrades wrote: I'm pretty certain that this debate ends at the question of necessity. An Army soldier has a 4 on 4 off sleep pattern so why should I? Alot of people have alot of important things to do at 3am. It's just that some of us are better at convincing others that our activities are important.

That's all I'm gonna say...

Wow the first statement and we already have the discrimination that was the whole point of the article. To answer your question as to why I'm asking to debate this, it's because...

"JEDI BELIEVE:"..."In working towards a culture that is relatively free of discrimination on the basis of gender, race, sexual orientation, national origin, degree of ability, age, etc." - TotJO Temple Doctrine

I see an "etc." on the end of that statement. And I happen to agree with the statements made in this article. Especially seeing as how I have felt this way on numerous occasions in my own life. Including by you just now.

Why do you feel I'm discriminating? I am infact supporting the fact that people sometimes find the need to do thing in a little less conventional way, such as staying up late. It's just that un-conventional is not considered an option unless you are un-official.

Many people - including policemen, for example - are critisized for their daily conduct. Picture a hero cop that has a negative psychological profile, accoring to his superiours.

It's interesting that you would say I'm discriminating. I suspect that you simply made this post to get lots of replies that seem to aggree with the liberal option but are infact simply spart debates that undermine such Liberal morality...

That's all I'm gonna say...

I sleep when I sleep, and am awake when I'm awake....

Through my years, I've worked both kind of jobs, and then had to flip to the other schedule...

Feel free to open a night time business... Since the majority are asleep, your customer base will be small....

I'm not going to open a restaurant to serve night people, or remain open 24 hours because on those slow periods, or tines of one or two nocturnes, my profit goes out the window...

I agree that left handed people have more rights that night people, I doubt very much things will change....

Just my immediate thoughts...

Resticon. This is simply an example of what happens with the majority of threads here. As long as we all fit in to the particualar, devils advocate posiotion we have been assigned, then no-body minds. So if I had replied: "Yeah, I don't know why people can't sleep at the same time as normal people! The rest of us are capable of it!" and allthough such a reply does infact discrimianate with the actual content of the article, you would probably have thanked me and replied with a smile or a razz, and given, in return another completely contradictory thesis to what I have said.

The fact is that I HAVE aggreed with the article. But I'm not sure if you have said anything that shows me any evidence that YOU do.

Jestor wrote: I sleep when I sleep, and am awake when I'm awake....

Through my years, I've worked both kind of jobs, and then had to flip to the other schedule...

But have you ever worked a job that required you to work from 9pm to 5am? If so, did you get paid extra for the time that you worked? Were you often more tired from working during those periods as opposed to working a 9 am to 5 pm type of job?

Jestor wrote: Feel free to open a night time business... Since the majority are asleep, your customer base will be small....

I'm not going to open a restaurant to serve night people, or remain open 24 hours because on those slow periods, or tines of one or two nocturnes, my profit goes out the window...

Possibly but if our society had more 24/7 businesses would it seem reasonable to assume that more people who were nocturnal would stop trying to fight their nature and stop trying to adjust their asleep schedule to that of a conventional one? Perhaps there are more people who fall into this category than you think, you just wouldn't know it because they have to uncomfortably keep regular hours to pay their bills. If there were more jobs for nocturnal people and they weren't considered social pariahs would a 24/7 society work better?

Jestor wrote: I agree that left handed people have more rights that night people, I doubt very much things will change....

New York is called the "City that never sleeps". Businesses seem to function there quite well on a 24/7 schedule. Perhaps more night people simply live and work there because of it it's broader view on sleep schedules?

Jestor wrote: Just my immediate thoughts...

And I thank you for them. As I said, I am just looking for more thoughts on the subject to attempt to broaden my perpective and welcome criticism of this nature.

Ever since I worked night (proper night) shifts, I'v enjoyed wroking and living at night better. Fresh air, little traffic, little noise, nearly no-one around.... I like that.

Jackofalltrades wrote: Why do you feel I'm discriminating? I am infact supporting the fact that people sometimes find the need to do thing in a little less conventional way, such as staying up late. It's just that un-conventional is not considered an option unless you are un-official.

Many people - including policemen, for example - are critisized for their daily conduct. Picture a hero cop that has a negative psychological profile, accoring to his superiours.

It's interesting that you would say I'm discriminating. I suspect that you simply made this post to get lots of replies that seem to aggree with the liberal option but are infact simply spart debates that undermine such Liberal morality...

That's all I'm gonna say...

I first want to apologize for saying that you were discriminating. It was rude of me, however, the way that statement was phrased actually caused me to feel attacked for something I believe in. I have seen entire debates form on here from a simple question of the difference between two words. Yet when I post something that I feel is an important topic of discussion (for me at least) and ask for remarks, I received a post that basically said "Why the heck should this even be worthy of talking about?"

I did not make this post to get certain replies leaning one way or the other. I feel that I often fall into this group of people and I am often looked at negatively for it in my own life.

I'll offer my opinion on this.

I myself prefer night times, like Ren said, it's quieter, the air is cooler and more crisp.

I enjoyed it more when I used to work nights also.

Could go out for a walk and not be disturbed...

Talk to American people (whom were the majority of people I spoke too)

But I'm not an insomniac nor am I a "day sleeper/nocturne/etc"

I just preferred night times.

I think the main reason a lot of prejudice towards people whom are more active at night than day is due to the Self-Diagnosed insomniacs (and there's a large amount) whom ruin it for the general populous of diagnosed insomniacs.

Just a quick interjection, I know from having a conversation with you earlier that you're a medically diagnosed insomniac Resticon.

I myself find it extremely irritating when people "self-diagnose" with insomnia, just because they spend hours on their PC/Xbox360/PS3/ETC and then expect to be asleep within minutes of coming off of it...your mind is still active for at least an hour afterwards...

Having some intermediate knowledge of the medical world I do find it irritating when you get some people saying they're insomniacs because they have difficulty getting to sleep...

Just my thoughts on why true insomniacs get discriminated..

After all...

If everyone said they're a beach ball and only a handful were, after a while everyone would get sick of hearing that they're a "true beach ball" just because they have bright colours...