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18 Aug 2012 23:32 - 18 Aug 2012 23:44 #70674 by
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I'm sure you have all come accross the current, very popular, pop-psychology view on: Interpretation.

Does interpretation mean that there is no such thing as the truth? There is onlt something as I see it and the rest of the world may have a totally different view. Some people go so far as to say that:
"Differen't words mean different things to different people"...

Does that mean that I can say this is a rubber-duck building and all of you are tourtoises, not of us exist and, my room is acctually a spaceship? simply becuase those things are what these words mean to me... :/

If their rational on this as mentioned above is used then I most certainly can.


If you look at the Thesaurus.com entry of the word interpretation, it is synonymous with the direct oposite of what people usually descibe an interpretation to be:

analysis, apprehension, assimilation, awareness, clarification, comprehension, discernment, explanation, grasp, grip, insight, judgment, knowing, meaning, perception, reading, slant, translation.

What you'll find is that when you check reliable sources like this there are less contradictions and particular words aren't made "negative" for the purpose of people defending themsleves...

but I suppose that the word interpretation could be interpreted aswell...
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19 Aug 2012 00:27 #70676 by
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I believe the point of interpretation as an idea is that our life experiences are different and so words which hold an emotional or abstract context can mean very different things to different people. Like saying "family" to someone from a caring household and one from an abusive. Both will recognize the literal meaning because its not open to interpretation, however the emotional and experiential meaning will be vastly different for the two.

If I remember my psychology correctly, interpretation only implies where the direct meaning is not clear. When we express that we are going to the corner store and will be back in ten minutes. There's little interpretation in that, though "corner store" could be geographically misinterpreted (which corner?). However, if you say "I care deeply for him" those words can mean love to one person or simply deep friendship. Its even possible it was sarcasm that was missed. There's too much ambiguity so since we're using the same symbols but potentially different meanings behind them we are forced to take a best guess at what the other person means.

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19 Aug 2012 00:45 #70679 by Jestor
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Does that mean that I can say this is a rubber-duck building and all of you are tourtoises, not of us exist and, my room is acctually a spaceship? simply becuase those things are what these words mean to me... :/


This can definitely be said... Although, by the definitions that we agree upon, such as what "rubber ducks", and "tortoises" are this statement would be false....

You seem to need some concrete definitions... This is my interpretation of your words, all mixed together, and looked at for a common thread... This is hard to do that...

If we could prove a fact, you could be satisfied, and not have to continue to question things... None of us would... :)

One of the few facts that I can say, is that because I think, I exist... And this existence will end, someday...

Is 50° cold, or hot?

In January, here in Illinois, it is hot... In August, it is cold...

It is interpretation.... Life that is... :)

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19 Aug 2012 12:10 #70700 by
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Claiming that a word means something different based on location and time zone is purelly ridiculous.

The whole point of self help and spiritual practice is to go beyond personal issues to look at the bigger picture.

It is not a free-for-all where you can say "This is what it means to me"..."I'll take this psrt of the job and leave the rest to others"...

Most of what I've seen in western philosophy is just a way to stop people from taking responsibility for their predjuces that have been made due to personal experiance.

As far as defenitions that we all aggree apon, that's kind of the flip side of the same thing...

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19 Aug 2012 13:12 #70703 by Jestor
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Claiming that a word means something different based on location and time zone is purelly ridiculous.


fag, banger, janitor....

Wait, try this... Try Googling "words that mean something different in different countries"...

I did for banger and janitor, the others I knew...

I live in Illinois... Folks that live in Wisconsin don't call a water fountain that you drink from, a water fountain, they call it a bubbler... A tobogan to some it is a hat, to me it is a snow sled... A directional is what we call a turn signal....

Just thought id share.... :)

t is not a free-for-all where you can say "This is what it means to me"..."I'll take this psrt of the job and leave the rest to others"...


No, it is...

However if you only take the bits and prices you want to do, you will soon be unemployed....

You must choose to do what you don't want to to keep your job...

There is always a choice....:)

Most of what I've seen in western philosophy is just a way to stop people from taking responsibility for their predjuces that have been made due to personal experiance.


I think that is the lack of philosophy...

As when you look at free will, there is no alternative... a

To not take responsibility is animalistic, or childish... People who blame the stars, Gods, other people for their lot in life don't realize that. 1. they have the ability to change it, and 2. for the parts the can't change, they have to let desire go...

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19 Aug 2012 13:24 - 19 Aug 2012 13:25 #70704 by
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Jestor wrote:

I live in Illinois... Folks that live in Wisconsin don't call a water fountain that you drink from, a water fountain, they call it a bubbler... A tobogan to some it is a hat, to me it is a snow sled... A directional is what we call a turn signal....


Deffenitions that we can all aggree aopn?

hm?

I think you're missig the point of what I'm trying to say.

If I, for example have had a personal problem with something, and becuase of that I attach a meaning to a particular word that is related to it, then I am not looking at the bigger picture aand this will affect people that I come into contact with...

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19 Aug 2012 13:38 - 19 Aug 2012 13:38 #70705 by
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I think you're basically saying that a Thesaurus entry is personal, and what people have come to belive a word means (often erronously) is the bigger picture...

Ignorance really is a mind that apprehends the complete oposite of the truth... not just a lack of knowledge...
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19 Aug 2012 13:47 #70707 by
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Do you think it would be better to ask questions of the stars than to blame them?

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19 Aug 2012 14:01 #70711 by Jestor
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1. It is better to look within ourselves...

2. In the case of words meaning different things, in different locales, we have to agree upon what we are talking about...

Q - "Hey, want a drink out of the water fountain?"
A - "Hell no! Birds poop in those! Oh, wait, you meant a bubbler, lol!"

Q - "Should we ride on the toboggan (sled) together?"
A - "You can't ride on a toboggan! (Hat)"

Once we realize what we are talking about, and agree upon the object we are discussing, the conversation can move forward...

3. I think a thesaurus is a list of these differences of definition...

4. You might be right, I might be missing your point... Can you plainly state it?

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19 Aug 2012 14:16 - 19 Aug 2012 14:17 #70712 by
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I can't plainly state it. It's more like a feeling than anything else

Say for example I have commited a crime. If I was to have an obssesion with the word that refers to that crime then I would be leaving myself open to more suffering and more situations where I would do something wrong again.

When the mind is biased in one place and lacking in another, it is called a one-sided mind. One-sidedness is despicable. To be arrested by anything, no matter what, is falling into one-sidedness and is despised by those travelling the Way.

That's a quote.
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