When to offer Help, to Whom?

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12 Jan 2009 16:18 #21337 by
Although this is a long read, it captured my interest. One brave man stood up to the cult of $cientology.

I hope you find it moving, as I did.

http://www.clambake.org/archive/ronthenut/tabayoyo.htm

For those here who wish to pursue holding the cult to accountability, and help the innocent, you may find this especially interesting.

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12 Jan 2009 18:30 #21342 by
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A very interesting and severe read. It make me wonder though if such a document was giving to the court systems, why there is not more governmental action against the sects of scientlogy. I think I made need to research the authenticity of this document.

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12 Jan 2009 20:34 #21351 by
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Yes! Please research. The doc. has been mirrored several places, and you may find a forum which discusses it. The gentleman who runs http://www.xenu.net/
also hosts the group that I belong to.

Here are some URLs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre_Tabayoyon

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/krasel/aff_at.html

http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/tabayoyona1.html

http://www.scientology-lies.com/andretabayoyon.html

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Andre-Tabayoyon

http://www.lermanet.com/scientology/gulags/postscript.htm

http://www.freezone.org/timetrack/links.html

http://andre-tabayoyon.blogspot.com/2008/08/full-affidavit-citation.html

http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=816&Itemid=193

http://digg.com/educational/SCIENTOLOGY_Andre_Tabayoyon_Affidavit/who

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12 Jan 2009 20:53 #21353 by
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thank you for the links. They are proving helpful.

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14 Jan 2009 00:55 #21392 by
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You are most welcome! Please let me know if I may help further.

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16 Jan 2009 08:15 #21452 by
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As things go we stand against the death penalty we preach tolerance and acceptance of all faiths yet we are now becoming witch hunters not realizing that we to could be called a cult as were the christians and others before them. you will not win a battle against a foe that has time and resources on thier side though I may not agree with scientologies beliefs I do know they are far more established and have people within thier ranks that have the resorces to discredit anyonre trys to shut them down especially a religion thet is considered by some to be a comic book cult it might be wiser to use diplomasy and discretion in this matter as thier house is built on stone where as ours is built on sand. Remember judge not lest ye be judged. Just a thought from one who has seen more then he wished

Dagan MTFBWYA

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16 Jan 2009 08:38 #21453 by
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Very much agreed there dagan - you may have spotted some of my responses on the various posts/blogs dotted around this site on the scientology issue(s)

Long time no see btw -

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16 Jan 2009 13:58 #21469 by
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Dagan,

When standing up for human rights is a witch hunt, sign me up.

When observing preventable crimes against humanity causes me to continue to sit on my hands, I am almost useless to making the world a better place.

Knowing of Right lives not only inside us, but becomes manifest in action.

I will stand against inhumanity. Armed with a tiny stone against the giant because I must, in good conscience.

When I was 12 I laid on the railroad tracks to stop bomb shipments for Viet Nam with about 10 others in my community. We stopped a train.

Did we have more power than the Military Complex? That depends -- when the people of the nation clearly opposed the war, it finally stopped.

I am not afraid.

There is no reasoning with a cult determined to have nothing less than world domination. CLEAR THE PLANET is their goal, even in 1974 when I started. The entire planet must fall in line with LRH Tech.

They are unable to evolve or change in any way, as LRH was \"source\", and infallible.

Also, I don't agree with the death penalty, but that alone does very little without taking some kind of action.

I am quite prepared to be judged.

brb, getting things done.

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16 Jan 2009 15:18 - 16 Jan 2009 15:40 #21471 by Jon
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Dagan wrote:

As things go we stand against the death penalty we preach tolerance and acceptance of all faiths yet we are now becoming witch hunters not realizing that we to could be called a cult as were the christians and others before them. you will not win a battle against a foe that has time and resources on thier side though I may not agree with scientologies beliefs I do know they are far more established and have people within thier ranks that have the resorces to discredit anyonre trys to shut them down especially a religion thet is considered by some to be a comic book cult it might be wiser to use diplomasy and discretion in this matter as thier house is built on stone where as ours is built on sand. Remember judge not lest ye be judged. Just a thought from one who has seen more then he wished

Dagan MTFBWYA


As you wisely pointed out Br. Dagan there is always more than one way of fighting injustice: Like Ghandhi (passive resistence); Bush (dead on confrontation); Dalai Lama (prayer and meditation)... . Now for instance where as each member here is personally responsible for his or her own life, we indirectly also touch the lives of others around us. For example those with children and wives. These have also a right not to be involved in any such campaigns, but in a public confrontation with such powerful organisations such as Scientology could do so. Who would care to volunteer to take on the responsibility for them? There are alot of situations in this world which need and deserve our attention. We cannot be all over the place all of the time. So each of us has to decide. And non of us has to be ashamed of what they do no matter how unspectacular. The rubbish man is just as important in the functioning of our society as the brain surgeon. My daughter has had 40°C the last few days, I spent fighting the nights though with her. I`m proud and willing to do that, and do not have the slightest feeling I am failing in my duty as a Jedi.

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17 Jan 2009 23:31 #21489 by
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I'll just leave this here ...

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