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02 Nov 2019 15:33 #345114 by Malicious
Open discussion on smoking of tobacco , cannabis , and vaping . Please don't say mean things or anything rude tho .



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02 Nov 2019 16:44 #345120 by Carlos.Martinez3
Such a huge platform of opportunity to go a lot of different directions.
Personally -
I smoke.
I have a balance. Any one can. It won’t be mine. That’s ok too. I do remember the first time. It hurt. I’ve experience much. Not my thing for some things... but I will say this- today this morning with coffee - I took a smoke break and coughed. I give a lesson to my apprentices here called GIGO. It can apply to anything even our own vices or choices. It’s not a priority for me - May be in the future but I’m an old man and an old soldier so I try to keep fit no matter my age. Fit has a way larger application than words like -fat or skinny. Fitness and health can be different terms we can add to see things differently some times. Just an idea! Force be with ya!

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02 Nov 2019 16:51 #345121 by
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Vaping has been shown to be incredibly unhealthy, and even fatal. It can destroy your lungs.
Same with tobacco (obviously).

I never vaped (always thought is wasn't good for you, I mean, the vape juice is mainly based on vegetable glycerin, you might as well be breathing in cooking oil!)
However, I quit cigarettes about a month ago, and I do not regret it! I can take deep breaths again, I don't cough randomly, and all around, I just feel better!

Now pipe tobacco, while not currently smoking it, I do enjoy it, simply for the smell, flavor, and ritual of the thing. It is a very relaxing and sensual experience (unlike cigs, which taste terrible). I may smoke a pipe again in the future.

And as for marijuana... Well smoking anything isn't good for you, however, with this I take an exception (wink wink).

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02 Nov 2019 21:45 - 02 Nov 2019 21:47 #345131 by Malicious
Well for me I am old enough to smoke tabacco products but cannabis is still illegal in my state so I can't say anything about it (aka I can't say if I tried it ) . But I do smoke a pipe with premium pipe tabacco and I do enjoy it . I play brass instruments so I do have a large lung capacity and smoking has never decreased it . So as of right now I don't have any side effects of it , but I have been only smoking for two years . Smoking from my pipe is sort of like a daily ritual . As for vaping I know people that have done it for several years and has not had any side effects from it , I tried it a few times and even have my own but I still prefer my pipe .



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02 Nov 2019 23:55 #345133 by Rex
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I used to smoke cigarillos and pipe tobacco (and have tried vaping, etc.), but it's incredibly unhealthy. Anecdotally, I also was grouchier if I went to long without smoking. Really inhaling anything in quantity that's not supposed to be in your lungs is unhealthy for you (which includes vaping among other things), and can cause cancer, popcorn lung, and often exacerbates other conditions (similar to alcohol). I get the appeal, but really have to make it clear that it's unhealthy

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04 Nov 2019 17:59 - 04 Nov 2019 18:37 #345174 by OB1Shinobi
I know this post is a bit long but please, bear with me. For your convenience, i will break it into pieces and put the pieces into spoilers. I smoked for decades, even though i had childhood asthma and even though i watched my dad die of lung cancer in the summer between ninth and tenth grade. My mother was diagnosed with late stage lung cancer just over a year ago and I'm glad to say that shes made it this far (it happened so much more quickly with my father) but well, its not good. Im not going to harp on the specifics.

I quit smoking about five years ago and i made it a policy not to lecture (or even talk to) smokers about it. I don't want to be that guy who lords it over everyone that he quit. Im typing this out because a young Jedi specifically asked for feedback on a topic that has had a significant impact on my life (though, not quite as significant as the impact its had on my mother and father’s lives).

Why Kids Want to Smoke
Warning: Spoiler!


Adults Who Smoke
Warning: Spoiler!


Quitting Smoking
Warning: Spoiler!


So that is my essay on why people smoke even though everyone knows its bad for us.

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04 Nov 2019 18:40 #345178 by Malicious
Thank you for sharing your wisdom on the matter . I'm sorry to hear about your early loss of your father and hopefully your mother gets better . My grandma just a few weeks ago had colon cancer removed and she is doing better now , she is about to start chemo pills just to make sure it doesn't happen again . I know fully the consequences of smoking , I only do it about twice a day when I wake up and before I go to bed . I try not to do it to often . When I decide to quit I will look back on your passage and it will give me the inspiration to quit . So again thank you .
Mtfbwy .



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04 Nov 2019 19:07 - 04 Nov 2019 19:08 #345180 by OB1Shinobi

Malicious wrote: Thank you for sharing your wisdom on the matter . I'm sorry to hear about your early loss of your father and hopefully your mother gets better . My grandma just a few weeks ago had colon cancer removed and she is doing better now , she is about to start chemo pills just to make sure it doesn't happen again . I know fully the consequences of smoking , I only do it about twice a day when I wake up and before I go to bed . I try not to do it to often . When I decide to quit I will look back on your passage and it will give me the inspiration to quit . So again thank you .
Mtfbwy .


Thank you, and wishes for your grandmother. I may post again here to address the other topics (marijuana and vaping) but the cigarette post was long enough as it was.

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04 Nov 2019 19:17 #345181 by Malicious
Don't worry about how long or short you write what is important is the message , I know that I created this but you have free range of motion to post what ever you like , personally I like reading other peoples opinions on this matter . Write as much as you like or can if you want .
And thanks for the thoughts on my grandma . She is tough and will pull through this , she actually started walking the next day after the surgery and the doctors was amazed at how quickly she recovered .
Mtfbwy .



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04 Nov 2019 19:23 #345182 by OB1Shinobi
She sounds like a fighter. If anyone can beat colon cancer, its a fighter. Out of curiosity, do you play sports or do any martial arts?

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04 Nov 2019 19:41 #345183 by Malicious
Well I recently graduated high school , but when I was in the school I played rugby , and baseball . I do lift weights and go on jogs , also nature walks in the woods and creeks . I do a little martial arts but nothing big mostly training with a old man who is a forth degree black belt . I don't do it for ranks or anything officially , I do it just for self defense .



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04 Nov 2019 19:53 #345184 by OB1Shinobi
You have a good foundation of fitness, thats cool. I started Brazilian Jiujitsu a couple of years ago, its great for self defense (especially if you already know the basics of punching and defending punches) and the cardio is intense! Id highly recommend it.

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04 Nov 2019 19:59 #345186 by Malicious
Actually that's one of the foundations of what my master (martail arts ) is teaching me . It is pretty intense , but I mostly am just reading through PDFs about the forms and other styles because he is kinda busy and we live kinda far away so we don't get to meet up alot .



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04 Nov 2019 20:31 - 04 Nov 2019 20:55 #345188 by OB1Shinobi
Ah, ok. If you have a job it would be worth it to find a gym and train with other people. Grappling especially is something where you absolutely have to have training partners. Really you need sparring partners for everything but you can learn to do the footwork and the motions of striking attack and defense through shadowboxing and bag work (it wont be nearly as good as proper sparring but it may be enough to give you a chance), not so with grappling; the techniques require the weight and momentum of the other person. You really have to experience it to understand it.
BJJ is pretty awesome man. The first couple months can be hard because its humbling. You spar right off the bat and when you roll with people who have been doing it for a while, it shows you how un-ready you really are for a fight. If you can be persistent though it becomes a real power in your life. Not only can you fight but you know how to persist under real stress. Plus it keeps you in good shape and gives you a reason not to smoke; so you dont get tapped! ;-)

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05 Dec 2019 04:31 #346768 by Malicious
This topic fell a little to the side lines so I'm bumping it , so what are your thoughts on smoking tabacco , cannabis , and vaping ?
Also thank you everyone so far for commenting and to who will comment as well !



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05 Dec 2019 05:49 #346772 by Adder
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My thoughts, like most things, learn what it is, how it works, what it does, how to do it, and then stop if it's unhealthy, harmful to others, or too expensive. Dunno if that can be mangled into the 5 Knight Trials of fiction, but perhaps :silly:

So no, I don't, but have. Haven't in decades.

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05 Dec 2019 06:00 #346774 by Malicious

Adder wrote: My thoughts, like most things, learn what it is, how it works, what it does, how to do it, and then stop if it's unhealthy, harmful to others, or too expensive. Dunno if that can be mangled into the 5 Knight Trials of fiction, but perhaps :silly:

So no, I don't, but have. Haven't in decades.


What is this 5 knight trials of fiction you speak of ? Would you care to elaborate on this to satisfy my curiosity please ?



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05 Dec 2019 06:12 #346776 by
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Inhaling anything other than the 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.04% carbon dioxide mixture that we call "air" is bad for you.
Duh.

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05 Dec 2019 17:55 #346813 by
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There was already mentioned that smoking is really unhealthy, and I am agree with this point. But if I had an option to vote for legalization of cannabis or against it, I would vote for - some chemical substances that can be found in cannabis are capable to cure cancer, as a medicine that stabilizes the organism after chemotherapy and makes this procedure less harmful and more effective.

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05 Dec 2019 18:02 #346814 by
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CaesarEJW wrote: Inhaling anything other than the 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.04% carbon dioxide mixture that we call "air" is bad for you.
Duh.


I don't think you are right in this opinion. Not just anything except of pure "air" is harmful. "Natural" air, for example in the forest or nearby the ocean, also includes hundreds of other compounds that can be helpful for a human. For example, pine forests produce lots of phytoncides, that can cure infections just by inhaling them, even tuberculosis!

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