Can't be a Jedi if you support Trump...?

No not really. I prefer to fix something instead of destroy it.

Deimos wrote: Considering I don't think I'd find enjoyment in it no.

You don't have to find enjoyment in it. I personally do... in both the destruction and birth.

Deimos wrote: No not really. I prefer to fix something instead of destroy it.

Some building's aren't fixable or aren't worth being fixed, since there is more gain in destroying them. Familiar with that reference? Do you know anything about building demolition? Look at the One World Trade Center. It only exists because the old buildings were destroyed.

But look at the way it happened. I doubt it was the end goal to have it rebuilt.

Deimos wrote: But look at the way it happened. I doubt it was the end goal to have it rebuilt.

Plenty of controversy on that one. Either way, I find the new building more beautiful and especially more precious, considering all the death surrounding it.

Okay you have a point. I personally say if it breaks, let it happen naturally. Doesn't mean I can't try to save it provided it even needs saving.

Deimos wrote: Okay you have a point. I personally say if it breaks, let it happen naturally. Doesn't mean I can't try to save it provided it even needs saving.

Saving such a thing is like saving someone on permanent life support from a devastating category 5 storm. Nothing useful.

Phoenix Vidensia wrote:

Deimos wrote: No not really. I prefer to fix something instead of destroy it.

Some building's aren't fixable or aren't worth being fixed, since there is more gain in destroying them. Familiar with that reference? Do you know anything about building demolition? Look at the One World Trade Center. It only exists because the old buildings were destroyed.

Leaving this out?

Casualties of the September 11 attacks

Phoenix Vidensia wrote:

Deimos wrote: Okay, then why be here if it does not serve what you desire? It sounds similar to masochism, but all joking aside, it seems counterproductive if this Temple does not have what you seek.

I want to see this place split in two and fall. There, I said it. Originally, I didn't feel this way. Now? I do. By splitting, the tension will be relieved and what is left will either be enough to succeed it and grow into something worth having or it won't. FA experienced a similar break, though it hasn't recovered and likely won't. Perhaps I'm wrong? Time will tell.

Thank you for your confession. As you have publicly stated your intent to harm and disrupt The Order you are banned from the site.

I don't think that was part of her point. She's left anyway, so what's said is said.

Deimos wrote: I don't think that was part of her point. She's left anyway, so what's said is said.

Her point was to sow dissent, and make fools of anyone she could, and the banning is because she's playing a game by leaving beforehand...

Can we have a balance ? Every human works of that themselves. Can you choose and live with your choices? Each of us had that for ourselves. Some have some don’t. Why split ? Why run away? Why not learn to balance and learn to live with 7 plus billions people alive? Our choice.
Can we Jedi and be opposite every one else ? Thats kinda the point right ? To share and learn?

Ok, well, that was a thing. Can I ask one question? Why do the righteous left have such cowardly hit and run tactics?

To whom are you referring to? I thought Pheonix was on the right.... assuming thats who you are referencing

No I was talking about those that started and have continued the nazi fascist rhetoric. A civil conversation was under way. The radical left came in and destroyed that and then they declared their departure so no further conversation could be had. I'm talking about steamboat and lykeous. I even tried to talk to steam in chat and he completely ignored me. Its cowardly. They are the only ones promoting fascist ideals here. I wonder if they can even see that, however their behaviour tells me they do. This has been the problem for a long time. The alt right has little issue compared to the terrorist like action of the alt left.

I will agree that it was cowardly imo, although I wouldn't necessarily call it fascist, but it was for sure intolerant and narrow minded. But they have left, so now discussion can be had without intervention, provided it stays civil, a state of which I hope this shall now remain. That being said, with regards to the OP what else is there to discuss in your opinion?

Fair enough.
At this point I think the conversation is over. Time to move on.

Well it was fun while it lasted. May the Force be with you my friend. Me, I'm off to get some sleep.

VixensVengeance wrote: When sides become this polarized war is the only option. One must violently dominate the other in order to achieve any peace. We have tried here, many times to settle the waters, smoke the peace pipe, give concessions and still those that oppose us bring war to our doorstep by calling us the aggressors, the nazis. And they call for our complete and total suppression.

Note that those calling you "the aggressors" are a minority. The majority are not calling for your suppression.

It does not follow then that you should conclude that war is the only option. Furthermore, in an online community, victory does not look like "domination". Being able to effectively communicate and persuade others to truly consider your point of view is how you achieve victory in this setting.

VixensVengeance wrote: But I ask you, how is their form of oppression in denying nazis to speak any less fascist than the nazis themselves?? I ask you, no i implore you, to consider your positions here and try to see reason or war will be the result. And I will be on that front line, win or lose like my ancestors, I will fight to the death for nazis to speak their mind no matter the cost

The root problem I continue to see is quick judgments made on group identity. While I think that any person who would publicly wear a Nazi swastika is an idiot, I continue to wonder "how did that individual arrive to that place? And what does he or she truly want?". If the actual answer is "to kill Jews (or any other person based on the idea of racial supremacy)", then that person is dangerous. But I can appreciate that the answer is sometimes that these people are fed up with being called out as privileged and made the enemy when all they want is to be able to say "I am white" without an avalanche of condemnation following.

As Jedi, we believe in freedom of speech and of association. So people are free to gather and think whatever they want. We should hold people liable only for their actions.

The fact we have a thread about Trump but not Epstein just shows how propagandized our "democracy" has become..

Because, first of all, fascism is an economic system. Which is historically backed with nationalistic ideology.. but it's just another form of Socialism tbh.. the centralized control or regulation of the means of production.. as opposed to it being decentralized and controlled by the general population.. IMO all forms of centralized control are inherently oppressive and unnecessary..

That being said, "in passion, I seek control".. and in passionate discussions such as this, people should step back and really observe themselves and their actions and evaluate their effectiveness at resolving the issue at hand.. mainly that, for whatever reason, folks think we are at risk of a Fascist Takeover. Complete with concentration camps (those border facilities lack a few qualities to be considered Death Camps).. as if the recent actions of the Federal Govermnent are new... a govermnent that has allowed people to bomb innocent foreigners, caged children, attacked whistleblowers, assassinated foreign/domestic challengers, or otherwise terrorize those who are "threats" to its interests long before Trump was put in office..

Trump is the least of our worries. He, like most presidents before him, is a tool for certain powerful interests. Whether he inwardly knows it or not..