Accountability of the laws spirit beyond its letter

Sorry, Kohadre, but I don't make things up about people. Do you think I was "outing" you as a grey Jedi? Do you think I guessed and just so happened to be right?

I used the search feature like YOU told me to.

As a Jedi, I do believe that there's inherent worth within all life; however some lives are worth more than others.

Would I put myself in harm's way to save a pedophile? Probably not. In such a situation, I would probably work moreso to ensure their demise than anything else.

Would I run into a compromised building (fire/explosion/etc) to save the lives of others? Probably. Part of my EDC as a Jedi is made up of first aid and trauma kit items combined with training to diagnose and treat field injuries up to and including gunshots & shrapnel; as well as burns and fire trauma.

I follow the Gray path of Jediism, so I focus less on "light" and "dark" and instead focus moreso on logical and objective decision making.

and that wasn't from your private journal. That was from "A question" in Open Discussions.
https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/open-discussions/121543-a-question?start=10#324974

You were the one calling Kyrin's path into question. I simply brought up the fact that you both were of the same path. It is therefore hypocritical to call Kyrin out as evidence of her being "incompatible" when your paths are (or at least were back in 2018) similar. Of course you tried to take it a step further and have the forum believe Kyrin was now subscribing to Sith philosophy which you never got by asking her. I did. Armed with the truth I thus offered correction to the incorrect (and somewhat slanderous) accusation of your claim which took advantage of Kyrin's absence. I didn't do that. YOU did that. Consequences ensue as the Force balances itself.

And in response you seem to be having a little temper tantrum. Perhaps you should be careful before advising people to use the search feature. mmmmm?

Well done! You won! You're the smartest cookie!

Now what?




Anyway, since I'm here. two things

One -

Yes, I'd like to see all the evidence in question

I assume you're some kind of magistrate?
in any case you're free to make such considerations in your courthouse, anywhere else, no one cares what you'd like.

I'm not trying to be mean, it's just one of those things in life - circle of influence circle of concern type things. For most people, most things are outside that first circle, and so in practical terms - it really does not matter in the slightest what you'd like


B (or Two, if you prefer Actually on the subject of Letter vs Spirit, the following of which is all my own work, but probably the same thing you can read on Wikipedia.

I'm a bureaucrat - enforcing inane (and insane) regulations and policies that few understand the application of, purpose, or even intent, is my bread and butter. It thrills me, almost as much as completely ignoring those policies when attempted to be enforced by other clipboard wielding pencil pushing nerds, because so few of them can ever actually explain what they are trying to do, or why they are trying to do it (and more importantly) how it should affect me other than vague references to policy and documents that may not exist, and certainly no one has read or reviewed lately.

For funsies, here is Section 45E of Divison 2 of Part VIIa of the Environmental Protection Act 1970 (which is still in effect in the state that it is relevant to in my country)

45E Deposit of litter generally
(1) A person must not deposit any litter unless—
(a) the person deposits the litter in a place—
(i) that is provided for the deposit of litter; and
(ii) that is appropriate for litter of that size, shape, nature or volume; or
(b) the person deposits the litter in or on a place in such a way that it cannot leave the place without human assistance and the person—
(i) owns, controls or is in possession of the place; or
(ii) is acting with the express consent of the person who owns, controls or is in possession of the place; or
(c) the person is authorised to deposit the litter by or under an Act or a Commonwealth Act; or
(d) the deposit of the litter is an unavoidable consequence of a lawful activity; or
(e) the deposit is accidental and the person does everything that is reasonably possible to retrieve the litter. Penalty:40 penalty units.
(2) For the purposes of subsection (1)(d), a consequence is unavoidable if there is no reasonably practicable way of avoiding it.


There is a whole separate and unrelated commonwealth (federal) piece of legislation that prevents one from storage or transporting waste in a commonwealth vehicle unless that vehicle is specifically designated as being used for that task.

by the combination of those laws, one is free and clear to dump fast food wrappers out the window of a vehicle (any vehicle operated, or that is operated on one's behalf for the discharge of official duties is to be operated in accordance with the policy and regulations that regulate use of government vehicles, making that vehicle, effectively, a government vehicle, should it be being used for official duties)



The spirit of the law is "Don't trash the streets, and don't put trash in cars you don't own" but I'm pretty sure neither of those things are really mentioned in either laws.


I'm not really interested in the whole Justice for Harambe thing you seem to be on, but I'm more than happy to meander the the purpose of rules, and their application in a perfect civilisation

ZealotX wrote:

Warning: Spoiler!

Kohadre wrote:

ZealotX wrote: In response to Kohadre's assertions I asked Kyrin about her path:

Kohadre: As you’ve mentioned, Kyrin and myself would identify as “gray” Jedi. Fortunately, the philosophy within said code is not significantly different from the one TOTJO operates upon. However, shortly after Kyrin’s last return to temple affairs; she adopted a more Sith based code.

me to Kyrin: Do you agree with his statement?

Kyrin:

Absolutely not. I have never said any of the things he is claiming. I have my own code I have written. It us all I have ever claimed to follow. I have been praised for that code by many knights so it's not sith, just different than totjo. It's a truly grey code, not a grey jedi or a light sith, whatever those terms even mean. I consider them oxymorons lol.

I have also never claimed to be working behind the scenes and that reiki thing was resolved a long time ago. Also any links in my signature were approved by ren and john before I posted them I have never advertised my site. In fact john has advertised it more than anyone! Lol.

So clearly, as Jedi we should be careful regarding the truth and try to guard against the potential of false accusations that could possibly defame someone or cast them in a negative light; ESPECIALLY when discussing disciplinary action.

To my knowledge both you and Kyrin are grey Jedi. That's accepted here. You're an apprentice. Kyrin was an apprentice too which means someone thought she could one day become a knight. So are grey Jedi welcome here or not? Are grey Jedi methods welcome or not? Can grey Jedi become apprentices but never knights? Where is the line of incompatibility drawn as it relates to beliefs? And how much of said beliefs directly play out in behavior?

YOUR words, not mine.

That takes real nerve, to author an argument like that; and then orchestrate it in such a manner to implicate me as responsible.

Take responsibility for your own content.

Sorry, Kohadre, but I don't make things up about people. Do you think I was "outing" you as a grey Jedi? Do you think I guessed and just so happened to be right?

I used the search feature like YOU told me to.

As a Jedi, I do believe that there's inherent worth within all life; however some lives are worth more than others.

Would I put myself in harm's way to save a pedophile? Probably not. In such a situation, I would probably work moreso to ensure their demise than anything else.

Would I run into a compromised building (fire/explosion/etc) to save the lives of others? Probably. Part of my EDC as a Jedi is made up of first aid and trauma kit items combined with training to diagnose and treat field injuries up to and including gunshots & shrapnel; as well as burns and fire trauma.

I follow the Gray path of Jediism, so I focus less on "light" and "dark" and instead focus moreso on logical and objective decision making.

and that wasn't from your private journal. That was from "A question" in Open Discussions.
https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/open-discussions/121543-a-question?start=10#324974

You were the one calling Kyrin's path into question. I simply brought up the fact that you both were of the same path. It is therefore hypocritical to call Kyrin out as evidence of her being "incompatible" when your paths are (or at least were back in 2018) similar. Of course you tried to take it a step further and have the forum believe Kyrin was now subscribing to Sith philosophy which you never got by asking her. I did. Armed with the truth I thus offered correction to the incorrect (and somewhat slanderous) accusation of your claim which took advantage of Kyrin's absence. I didn't do that. YOU did that. Consequences ensue as the Force balances itself.

And in response you seem to be having a little temper tantrum. Perhaps you should be careful before advising people to use the search feature. mmmmm?

Nobody told me this was a card game, damn.

JamesSand wrote: Well done! You won! You're the smartest cookie!

Now what?

Now I can deal with the obscene trash talk from Kohadre in my PMs which he said his master gave him permission to do. That is what.

Do you need to deal with it?

Best way to avoid nuisance sales calls during dinner? Put your phone on silent

Kohadre: Nobody told me this was a card game, damn.

Did your master give you permission to use foul language on the public forums as well? I wasn't aware this was a workaround to the same rules that banned Kyrin.

ZealotX, I think Kohadre meant you misattributed your words as his.

ZealotX wrote:

Warning: Spoiler!

Kohadre wrote:

ZealotX wrote:

Warning: Spoiler!

Kohadre wrote:

ZealotX wrote: In response to Kohadre's assertions I asked Kyrin about her path:

Kohadre: As you’ve mentioned, Kyrin and myself would identify as “gray” Jedi. Fortunately, the philosophy within said code is not significantly different from the one TOTJO operates upon. However, shortly after Kyrin’s last return to temple affairs; she adopted a more Sith based code.

me to Kyrin: Do you agree with his statement?

Kyrin:

Absolutely not. I have never said any of the things he is claiming. I have my own code I have written. It us all I have ever claimed to follow. I have been praised for that code by many knights so it's not sith, just different than totjo. It's a truly grey code, not a grey jedi or a light sith, whatever those terms even mean. I consider them oxymorons lol.

I have also never claimed to be working behind the scenes and that reiki thing was resolved a long time ago. Also any links in my signature were approved by ren and john before I posted them I have never advertised my site. In fact john has advertised it more than anyone! Lol.

So clearly, as Jedi we should be careful regarding the truth and try to guard against the potential of false accusations that could possibly defame someone or cast them in a negative light; ESPECIALLY when discussing disciplinary action.

To my knowledge both you and Kyrin are grey Jedi. That's accepted here. You're an apprentice. Kyrin was an apprentice too which means someone thought she could one day become a knight. So are grey Jedi welcome here or not? Are grey Jedi methods welcome or not? Can grey Jedi become apprentices but never knights? Where is the line of incompatibility drawn as it relates to beliefs? And how much of said beliefs directly play out in behavior?

YOUR words, not mine.

That takes real nerve, to author an argument like that; and then orchestrate it in such a manner to implicate me as responsible.

Take responsibility for your own content.

Sorry, Kohadre, but I don't make things up about people. Do you think I was "outing" you as a grey Jedi? Do you think I guessed and just so happened to be right?

I used the search feature like YOU told me to.

As a Jedi, I do believe that there's inherent worth within all life; however some lives are worth more than others.

Would I put myself in harm's way to save a pedophile? Probably not. In such a situation, I would probably work moreso to ensure their demise than anything else.

Would I run into a compromised building (fire/explosion/etc) to save the lives of others? Probably. Part of my EDC as a Jedi is made up of first aid and trauma kit items combined with training to diagnose and treat field injuries up to and including gunshots & shrapnel; as well as burns and fire trauma.

I follow the Gray path of Jediism, so I focus less on "light" and "dark" and instead focus moreso on logical and objective decision making.

and that wasn't from your private journal. That was from "A question" in Open Discussions.
https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/open-discussions/121543-a-question?start=10#324974

You were the one calling Kyrin's path into question. I simply brought up the fact that you both were of the same path. It is therefore hypocritical to call Kyrin out as evidence of her being "incompatible" when your paths are (or at least were back in 2018) similar. Of course you tried to take it a step further and have the forum believe Kyrin was now subscribing to Sith philosophy which you never got by asking her. I did. Armed with the truth I thus offered correction to the incorrect (and somewhat slanderous) accusation of your claim which took advantage of Kyrin's absence. I didn't do that. YOU did that. Consequences ensue as the Force balances itself.

And in response you seem to be having a little temper tantrum. Perhaps you should be careful before advising people to use the search feature. mmmmm?

Kohadre: Nobody told me this was a card game, damn.

Did your master give you permission to use foul language on the public forums as well? I wasn't aware this was a workaround to the same rules that banned Kyrin.

If you really want to bring our entire PM conversation to the public forum, be my guest.

Edit: Congratulations on finally figuring out how to use a spoiler tag.

JamesSand wrote: Do you need to deal with it?

Best way to avoid nuisance sales calls during dinner? Put your phone on silent

I will never say that blocking or ignoring isn't a viable option to handle unwanted calls. It absolutely is.

However, it's not my style. I shouldn't have to do either. A lot of companies will call you until you talk to them and tell them to stop calling you. Knowing they can't win with you, and therefore shouldn't waste their time, is a little more direct than trying to wait them out and hope they will go away on their own.

Personally, I'd like to see more of Kohadre's offensive vocabulary and attempts to... not sure what I'd call it... bully/harass me?

Which *sigh* alas is easy to do online. It takes real bravery to call someone a c*nt but I was slightly entertained by the verb "tw*tswaggling". Must admit. I've never heard that one before.

Adder wrote: ZealotX, I think Kohadre meant you misattributed your words as his.

which words would that be?

I leave this thread with these two quotes

Yes yes, a flaw more and more common among Jedi . Too sure of themselves they are. Even the older, more experienced ones.
And ...
When all choices seem wrong, choose restraint.
Yoda

May the Force be with us all

ZealotX wrote:

JamesSand wrote: Do you need to deal with it?

Best way to avoid nuisance sales calls during dinner? Put your phone on silent

I will never say that blocking or ignoring isn't a viable option to handle unwanted calls. It absolutely is.

However, it's not my style. I shouldn't have to do either. A lot of companies will call you until you talk to them and tell them to stop calling you. Knowing they can't win with you, and therefore shouldn't waste their time, is a little more direct than trying to wait them out and hope they will go away on their own.

Personally, I'd like to see more of Kohadre's offensive vocabulary and attempts to... not sure what I'd call it... bully/harass me?

Which *sigh* alas is easy to do online. It takes real bravery to call someone a c*nt but I was slightly entertained by the verb "tw*tswaggling". Must admit. I've never heard that one before.

No?

Ok, I'll post the whole thing so everyone can enjoy it together

Kohadre
"To my knowledge both you and Kyrin are grey Jedi. That's accepted here. You're an apprentice. Kyrin was an apprentice too which means someone thought she could one day become a knight. So are grey Jedi welcome here or not? Are grey Jedi methods welcome or not? Can grey Jedi become apprentices but never knights? Where is the line of incompatibility drawn as it relates to beliefs? And how much of said beliefs directly play out in behavior?"

2 hours ago
Kohadre
Kohadre
You're on my radar.



If you have a problem with me, fine; bring it up to the council and I'm sure they'll address it in an appropriate fashion.
2 hours ago
Kohadre
Kohadre
"Honestly, outside of protecting children I see no harm in foul language at all. Using words that are subjectively bad does not make one immoral (and therefore doesn't break Jedi code) for using them."



That's awesome, I'm glad to hear you think that.



You're a goddamn cunt. Like, a high level twatswaggling skag box.



I think you're absolute fucking trash. The collective membership of the forums, is now forever less intelligent for having listened to your rants and associated arguments.
1 hour ago
ZealotX
ZealotX
Oh no, not the radar of the mighty Kohadre... Oh my... You have a pretty big ego and a short fuse. I don't foresee you being able to debate me publicly so I guess you'll have to settle for childish insults in private.



Why do you think I have a problem with you? You said things that were untrue. I corrected you.



You started things off by saying things you didn't have the "energy" to prove. When you were asked to prove them you directed me to the search feature and then said 'oh btw those posts are gone'. But you took the occasion to dance on Kyrin's grave (thread) because obviously you don't like her. And I can see why. As much as you may think you have to offer in the way of intelligent debate when it all boils down to it you are ruled by your emotions, don't like being proven wrong, and rely too much on your biased interpretation. You felt no reluctance to talk about the person of Kyrin and attack her when she could not respond. You may even want to target me and attack me but it wont work. Insults are truly meaningless coming from someone who doesn't know me. Therefore, they only betray the control that you lack. You may be weak against your dark side urges but I've been attacked by far better Sith than you could ever be. Grey? LOL. Your master might think that. I think it's an act.



And your understanding is dubious at best.



Clearly you don't seem to understand the difference between foul language and being offensive. LMAO for example includes a cuss word. LMFAO includes 2. Are you offended when you see people write this? Of course not. It depends on the context which is something you seem to have trouble with.



Now, I wonder if you're going to be more bothered by the insinuation that you don't understand something than I'm bothered by your inflammatory and direct insults. Which do you suppose? And Kyrin gets banned. LOL.
1 hour ago
Kohadre
Kohadre
Fuck you,



First off, I requested advance permission to bitch you out; which was expressly granted.



I think you have a problem with me, due to the sociopathic way you orchestrated making a statement about me and Kyrin being Gray Jedi, and then tried to pin the same back on me.



You've been provided with multiple reasons for why Kyrin was banned; including from Br. John himself. I honestly don't think that any reason or example provided to you would be sufficient at this point.



I think my understanding is pretty spot on.
1 hour ago
ZealotX
ZealotX
Actually, you keep getting things wrong. Bro. John was AGAINST the ban. He told me himself.



You assume far too much.



And when did you ASK for permission? You misinterpreted something I said to Carlos. Your understanding appears to be under the rule of your anger.



“You will know (the good from the bad) when you are calm, at peace. " - Yoda
42 minutes ago
Kohadre
Kohadre
I asked Knight Firewolf on his thoughts about calling you a cunt, he said "permission granted".



I didn't even really bother reading your discussion with Carlos, actually. Nice assumption although.



39 minutes ago
Kohadre
Kohadre
Also, whether or not Br. John was against the ban is irrelevant concerning my previous statement. Reasons for Kyrin's ban were still publicly provided by him; several times.
36 minutes ago
ZealotX
ZealotX
Lol, you asked your master for permission? What is he, your dad?



And why are you so obviously lying? YOU QUOTED MY CONVERSATION WITH CARLOS!



dude, lol, scroll up.
35 minutes ago
Kohadre
Kohadre
Nah, he's not my dad. However, having permission of a ranking temple member is nice to have when cussing out a member like you.



Just because I quoted your conversation doesn't mean I bothered to read it, LOL dumbfuck.
30 minutes ago
Kohadre
Kohadre

.

Kohadre wrote:
If you really want to bring our entire PM conversation to the public forum, be my guest.

LOL, was I supposed to keep your attacks in confidence? That's not how PMs work. What you say can be copy/pasted.

And I used the spoiler tag to make sure you would read it. I can use smaller words as well if you'd like.

Maybe a time
Out
IS needed ? Take some time to re group or return or even just take a break for a bit ?

ZealotX wrote:

Adder wrote: ZealotX, I think Kohadre meant you misattributed your words as his.

which words would that be?

Go back and see for yourself. I cant copy paste from this device.

Maybe a time
Out
IS needed ? Take some time to re group or return or even just take a break for a bit ?

Let 'em go, they'll tire themselves out eventually and fall asleep. Little dears.

JamesSand wrote:

Maybe a time
Out
IS needed ? Take some time to re group or return or even just take a break for a bit ?

Let 'em go, they'll tire themselves out eventually and fall asleep. Little dears.

Not cool condescending people like that. Let’s All take a break

Moderators can you lock this thread or ask that the individuals involved take a break. Up to you. 24 hours to cool
Down and sort things out could be requested.
I , as pastor, would ask if any one needs me for moderation I will be available for any member willing or requesting on any platform here discord direct or WhatsApp.
Please and thank you -
May the Force be with us all.
Pm me directly here for any need or request.

Not cool condescending people like that. Let’s All take a break

Moderators can you lock this thread or ask that the individuals involved take a break. Up to you. 24 hours to cool
Down and sort things out could be requested.
I , as pastor, would ask if any one needs me for moderation I will be available for any member willing or requesting on any platform here discord direct or WhatsApp.
Please and thank you -
May the Force be with us all.
Pm me directly here for any need or request.

People are just kids that got bigger. I don't see any reason to treat them differently.
Not my site, mods can take as firm or not hand as they like, but generally in my workplace, I let the "kids" (all of which are fully grown adults with all the rights and responsibilities that entails) have out their various social and professional tiffs and I don't step in until I'm asked to, a formal complaint is raised, or they're about to be in serious breach of (generally) a safety requirement.

Anyway, it's 2019, if people can't work out by now that winning arguments on the internet (or being a public nuisance, recorded for all eternity) is a fairly weak play, it's not my lot in life to help them


I'm not a pastor, but I love meddling, so if anyone wants to contact me for moderation, or counsel, feel free to work out how to contact me

Carlos.Martinez3 wrote:

JamesSand wrote:

Maybe a time
Out
IS needed ? Take some time to re group or return or even just take a break for a bit ?

Let 'em go, they'll tire themselves out eventually and fall asleep. Little dears.

Not cool condescending people like that. Let’s All take a break

Moderators can you lock this thread or ask that the individuals involved take a break. Up to you. 24 hours to cool
Down and sort things out could be requested.
I , as pastor, would ask if any one needs me for moderation I will be available for any member willing or requesting on any platform here discord direct or WhatsApp.
Please and thank you -
May the Force be with us all.
Pm me directly here for any need or request.

Sure Councillor, and if noone else does Ill unlock tomorrow.

Does any one Have any objection to locking this thread for 12 hrs as a time
Out break type of thing till mediation is done or what ever is needed or any possible Solution can me Made or come To?