Frequency and the Force

Fair enough but I seriously doubt turtle even knows what he means when he says frequency. The term, like many others, has been coopted by the white lighters to give credence to their psuedo-science. It's one thing to talk about esoteric manifestations in an ethetic sense, it's another altogether to suggest actual scientific endeavours have given credence to support such things.

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: Fair enough but I seriously doubt turtle even knows what he means when he says frequency. The term, like many others, has been coopted by the white lighters to give credence to their psuedo-science. It's one thing to talk about esoteric manifestations in an ethetic sense, it's another altogether to suggest actual scientific endeavours have given credence to support such things.

Please make your point without reference to another user of the site, in this manner.

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Arisaig wrote:

Gisteron wrote: What does "based on frequency" mean in this context?

I'd assume frequency would be the same as any percieveabke or measurable for of energy. Sound, cell phone signal, light, seismic activity... All measured in waves or vibration (the peaks and pits between waves).

Well assumptions are really meaningless aren't they. So where does this force frequency fall on the electromagnetic spectrum. If we can detect sound and cell phones and light and seismic activity why cant we detect the force?

Tis just an assumption based on the wording and context of the subject, making it valid.

And we can detect the Force. But not through technology. You have to open yourself up to its flow, ebb, and tide... Only then can you feel it.

JLSpinner wrote:

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: Fair enough but I seriously doubt turtle even knows what he means when he says frequency. The term, like many others, has been coopted by the white lighters to give credence to their psuedo-science. It's one thing to talk about esoteric manifestations in an ethetic sense, it's another altogether to suggest actual scientific endeavours have given credence to support such things.

Please make your point without reference to another user of the site, in this manner.

And what manner is that, exactly? I smell an opportunity to find out at last what this nebulous "thing-that-is-neither-allowed-nor-can-be-pointed-out" thing is supposed to actually be. Please, elaborate.

Arisaig wrote: And we can detect the Force. But not through technology. You have to open yourself up to its flow, ebb, and tide... Only then can you feel it.

So the same way we detect Jesus, then? "Just believe, and you will see everything around you confirm you." No. Pardon me. We don't speak of something as detectable if the only way to detect it is in telling yourself hard enough that you are detecting it. By that metric, literally everything is detectable, as is the absence of each of those detectable things.

Then, Gist, the point of the thread is lost, once again, because of semantics.

Not my fault, not my problem. I asked for clarification. You gave it a shot. Thank you.

Gisteron wrote: Not my fault, not my problem. I asked for clarification. You gave it a shot. Thank you.

"So the same way we detect Jesus, then? "Just believe, and you will see everything around you confirm you." No. Pardon me. We don't speak of something as detectable if the only way to detect it is in telling yourself hard enough that you are detecting it. By that metric, literally everything is detectable, as is the absence of each of those detectable things."

This isn't a statement that seeks clarification. This is you asking a question and answering it with what you deem to be fact. You've made up your mind and shut yourself off from this Force. And nothing I can say will ever be able to change that, because its not something I can prove. The Force is, as all things are. Its just yet to be discovered by the wider community of the world.

I can tell you that i have had literally hundreds of “psychic” experiences spanning almost three decades. Moments where ive shared thoughts with people or sensed peoples attention directed at me. Ive had many moments of “knowing” and the universe has given me “signs” to inform me of events. Matter of fact there has been times when ive “known” that someone has replied to me on this board, lol.

The thing is that if i disclose the specific details of these experiences, any rational critic is able to read what i say and then produce alternative explanations. Sure, there are alternative explanations. Regardless of that, im 100% certain that these events have happened and that my understanding of them is more accurate than the alternative explanations that a critic might generate from a distance. And of course i have no way to prove that i actually had any particular experience whatsoever.

Gisteron wrote:

Arisaig wrote: And we can detect the Force. But not through technology. You have to open yourself up to its flow, ebb, and tide... Only then can you feel it.

So the same way we detect Jesus, then? "Just believe, and you will see everything around you confirm you." No. Pardon me. We don't speak of something as detectable if the only way to detect it is in telling yourself hard enough that you are detecting it. By that metric, literally everything is detectable, as is the absence of each of those detectable things.

There is no physical evidence of the love that my grandmother once had for me outside my ability to recall it from my own visceral experience. Outside the Jesus argument, she was a real person, but she is dead, and has been for quite some time... but when I remember her late in her dementia, in the garden, pulling all of my cactus plants because they were "weeds" it brings me that silly sense of happiness and joy knowing that she was a someone who did care and was able to provide love. But outside of me sharing this with you today, it existed outside your ability of knowing, but her life and amount of love she had cannot be measured outside my ability to detect in through my own personal experience of life. There aren't any facts of her life left to study other than her bones and grave site. I can't milk love from that, but reflecting on her impact on my life, through my experiences, yeah...yeah, I feel her there.

I love you GG.

Yabuturtle wrote: Does anyone happen to have certain ways to aid them in the use of the force?

I believe everything in this universe and the next is based on frequency. Being able to sense things depending on the frequency of your aid and environment.

Is there perhaps music that helps you become more attuned to the force? Perhaps even areas where you feel it is strong. Has it gotten stronger since you had begun training?

You will find every response to this question different and rightfully so. If you wanna argue over hair splitting and definitions to a point that nothing gets left but upset and confusion - count me out - but I will share this with you - I was told - “ perfect practice yields perfect results - anything else needs to be done right.” It was my Computer Aided Drafting instructor yelling to us over and over again. Repetition ! Repetition repetition - is how things get done. Repetition, repetition- repetition- do it or things will come undone.
My practice and study make the frequency of my conection as often as possible. This is my practice. I recommend it to any one who wants to have the same result - it’s as easy some days as making a attempt to connect once a day. Just once. Every paths begins with the first step ... make it. My actual practice I find a treee. A bush - a plant - flowers - something alive but not like me - then I notice some one not in that look. I make and identify that connection. Some days it’s colors waves or temperature or just circles- it’s been a number of things but for the most part I make those two conections. I add my own into the equation some how or any how I choose. Some times a mere observer and some times the hero or antagonist - the possibilities as you can imagine, are awesome. I do it. I do it as often as I can.
I have a meditation I do with trees and time - trees have rings and I find it - odd- that they are never equal . 365 days look way different to a tree - rings. Time is odd shaped rings in space... ang joe and there is where I begin my conection usually for out door nature connection type of meditation. Another is immulation of nature - they take in light so I sit next to them and try to do the same thing. So many ways to make great conections. With people I just start at the beginning - hi - my nane is Carlos and I begin a standard intro and such - after that who knows where the conversation and time can go!
Happy seeking and may the Force find you in the joy of seeking it !

Arisaig wrote:

Gisteron wrote: Not my fault, not my problem. I asked for clarification. You gave it a shot. Thank you.

"So the same way we detect Jesus, then? "Just believe, and you will see everything around you confirm you." No. Pardon me. We don't speak of something as detectable if the only way to detect it is in telling yourself hard enough that you are detecting it. By that metric, literally everything is detectable, as is the absence of each of those detectable things."

This isn't a statement that seeks clarification. This is you asking a question and answering it with what you deem to be fact. You've made up your mind and shut yourself off from this Force. And nothing I can say will ever be able to change that, because its not something I can prove. The Force is, as all things are. Its just yet to be discovered by the wider community of the world.

Oh, I meant that I asked about what Yabu meant by frequency, sorry about the confusion. You gave that a shot, then Kyrin responded to you, and off it went...
But yea, to also answer what you are saying here, maybe you're right and one day this Force thing will be properly identified as something real that is out there. I didn't think this thread was about a scientific approach to it, because words of latin origin alone aren't quite enough for me to think of the thing being a matter of science but here we are, I guess. When they do discover a way to detect the thing that is for now "detectable" by means of make-belief alone, then I'll be glad to join you in calling it detectable. Until then, I shall refrain from making a judgement on whether there is any Force or what that is supposed to even mean, because I can't just delude myself on a whim enough to assert a position based on nothing else. My mind is the kind of "made up" and "shut off" that can be changed if and when the need arises.



@thomas sorry for your loss. You have told the tale with the cacti confused for weeds before, but you are right, I for one kept no records of her, neither in paper nor in my memory. Were it not for the testimony of someone that did, I would have had no way of telling how she had once felt about you. However, it wouldn't be until after gathering that evidence - weak though a personal testimony may be at that - that I'd dare assert something like that with any confidence. We can at most muster an educated guess knowing that by and large grandmothers do tend to form emotional bonds with their grandchildren. But it is all, alas, irrelevant for this topic. The nature of "everything in the universe" is in almost no way dependent on how you know your grandmother loved you. The tale of a perfectly normal human relationship is not anywhere near as novel as the nature of all of reality itself, and has far different evidentiary requirements because of it.

Arisaig wrote:

Gisteron wrote: Not my fault, not my problem. I asked for clarification. You gave it a shot. Thank you.

"So the same way we detect Jesus, then? "Just believe, and you will see everything around you confirm you." No. Pardon me. We don't speak of something as detectable if the only way to detect it is in telling yourself hard enough that you are detecting it. By that metric, literally everything is detectable, as is the absence of each of those detectable things."

This isn't a statement that seeks clarification. This is you asking a question and answering it with what you deem to be fact. You've made up your mind and shut yourself off from this Force. And nothing I can say will ever be able to change that, because its not something I can prove. The Force is, as all things are. Its just yet to be discovered by the wider community of the world.

Now that I think about it maybe we shouldn't talk about the Force, and people's experience with the Force. After all, we're on a Jedi forum right? xD Maybe Jews shouldn't talk about their experiences with God on a Jewish form and Druids should not talk about their experience with nature or gods on a pagan forum or sub forum. x3

One cannot show these experiences because a lot of it is personal. Because you yourself have to experience it. Take it from me a former atheist/agnostic

I want to hear more experiences And if one feels the force in a way where it speaks to you. Not through words per se, but you can still feel it speaking to you.

Ohhh, so this is another anecdote sharing thread after all. Sorry, never mind the title and the initial post then, I thought it had something to do with frequencies or whatever. I must have misread. Apologies...

I honestly try to listen to peaceful music. Sometimes just sleeping with music on helps me in a couple of hours or the next day when I do my daily rituals and meditations. Exercise for the brain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crkx0nYaaNk&t=25s

Although it's not just this song specifically, stuff likes it helps me become more attune to my surroundings sometimes. Sometimes I feel as if nature, or energy or the force or deities can contact me more frequently and more vocally when listening to certain songs. It's quite remarkable. Some I have heard even meditate if they have lightsabers and listen to humming sound. It's cleansing really.

Gisteron wrote:

JLSpinner wrote:

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: Fair enough but I seriously doubt turtle even knows what he means when he says frequency. The term, like many others, has been coopted by the white lighters to give credence to their psuedo-science. It's one thing to talk about esoteric manifestations in an ethetic sense, it's another altogether to suggest actual scientific endeavours have given credence to support such things.

Please make your point without reference to another user of the site, in this manner.

And what manner is that, exactly? I smell an opportunity to find out at last what this nebulous "thing-that-is-neither-allowed-nor-can-be-pointed-out" thing is supposed to actually be

I'm pretty curious about this as well. Exactly how did I refer to an individual in a way you found, if not just offensive, outside the rules?

To respond to the topic at hand..

Music, or whatever aide you use, serves to relax or focus the mind.. it's not necessarily the frequencies themselves. Your "soul" exists as its own energy which can somewhat tune in to these things. Not in a material sense that I know of, but more that music can set the tone of your personal vibrations..

Our soul has its own vibration, working on a level I don't think material means could interfere with.. at most they can set a mood or possibly disturb the natural processes of the brain..

Everything is based on vibration. Everything is moving yet at rest. Matter is just about the lowest vibrational state energy/spirit manifests as..

Uzima Moto wrote: Everything is based on vibration. Everything is moving yet at rest. Matter is just about the lowest vibrational state energy/spirit manifests as..

You say this in a very authoritative manner. How do you know its true?

And what are the next vibrational states after matter?

OB1Shinobi wrote:

Uzima Moto wrote: Everything is based on vibration. Everything is moving yet at rest. Matter is just about the lowest vibrational state energy/spirit manifests as..

You say this in a very authoritative manner. How do you know its true?

And what are the next vibrational states after matter?

I know from experience, study, research, etc..
The study of this, and other phenomena of this category, is very old and goes back to ancient Egypt..

What's after matter as we know it is the Etheric then Astral.. but there's more detailed information about this the further East you go..

Uzima Moto wrote:

OB1Shinobi wrote:

Uzima Moto wrote: Everything is based on vibration. Everything is moving yet at rest. Matter is just about the lowest vibrational state energy/spirit manifests as..

You say this in a very authoritative manner. How do you know its true?

And what are the next vibrational states after matter?

I know from experience, study, research, etc..
The study of this, and other phenomena of this category, is very old and goes back to ancient Egypt..

What's after matter as we know it is the Etheric then Astral.. but there's more detailed information about this the further East you go..

I can see why Gisteron and Kyrin have the reactions they do to your posts. You believe and moreover present these ideas as if they are facts. Ideas about “sheaths” and “chakras” and the layers of reality becoming thinner and faster the higher “up” we go are all fun and interesting but the source material for these ideas are religious texts. Not the Bible but we could compare them to the Bible in the sense that a Christian has every right to believe they believe but if they refuse to draw the distinction between corroborable facts and... lets say “articles of faith” in public conversation, its going to get a reaction.

Whats the actual evidence for Exodus? Was Abraham one man or a composite? Why didnt Jesus come back “before this generation passes” like he said, etc? Im not trying to pick a fight with the Chritsians here im just making the point that theres serious gaps in the “literal truth” side of the argument and most of the Christians who are reasonable enough to have a meaningful conversation with someone who isnt going to just accept everything on faith are able to recognize where those gaps exist and admit them. Doing so increases a persons credibility because it demonstrates some balance in their thinking and some bit of authenticity and respect in the way they interact. Refusing to acknowledge the gaps and the areas where unlikely things are being accepted purely on faith, makes a person appear dogmatic and maybe even somewhat deluded. Like if I read some book that says Santa Claus is real and i start talking about Rudolf as if it were a documentary. Someone would ask how i knew it were true and id say “from study and research”