Request of council, my reinstatement.

ren wrote: Why do you go and call the seniors here millenial aged SJWs?

Ahh I see your confusion now. Old threads made in the heat of a moment and never intended to be a path through my signature. The offending threads have been removed.

What experiences, lessons, self explorations, or simply eurekas, if any did you have during your "downtime" from the temple, both in regards to your banning but also in personal growth?

Tellahane wrote: What experiences, lessons, self explorations, or simply eurekas, if any did you have during your "downtime" from the temple, both in regards to your banning but also in personal growth?

I designed and wrote lessons on “The Self”, two lessons on PTSD, a lesson on “thoughts not creating reality” and I finished the last 3 entries in my Kamikeedi Jedaii journey and self-initiated as a Ranger.

I came to realize that my path has greatly diverged from what I had set out on all those years ago at the temple. I spent years trying to reinvent myself when all I really needed to do was make friends with my true character. In my solitude I realized the true nature of what a Jedi is supposed to be and I began to understand my strife with this place in trying to make it something that it will just never be.

This has been a process that has been evolving for a while but finally culminated in epiphany when I saw the creation of an energy healing position. This is but one doctrine endorsed here that I cannot subscribe to as a true philosopher in search of truth. It’s really unnecessary to delve deeper into other divergences to spare undue contention, however if you want further clarification PM me!

Thanks for the heads up about that Pastor of Force Practice thing, I just now saw it. You'd think nothing of note to happen if you look away for a month or two, but then you come back and this is unironically and officially supported now. What an odd direction to go in, indeed...

As clergy, may I ask why a faith based as well as world recognized idea can not be suppprted and receive the same freedoms as every other represented here? Because a few won’t support it ? They see it as wrong or non credible? Maybe this is a derail and if you feel so let me know and I’ll glady make another thread but I wanna ask G and Kyrin why this is a big deal? Enough to present like a big deal anyway.

Yea, I too, felt, like this would be off topic. For those interested in following or participating in that discussion, I have opened a thread with my response to Carlos' question here .

I want to say publicly - welcome back. I hope your time here is a time of growth and sharing. If I can be of any service , please let me know.

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Tellahane wrote: What experiences, lessons, self explorations, or simply eurekas, if any did you have during your "downtime" from the temple, both in regards to your banning but also in personal growth?

I came to realize that my path has greatly diverged from what I had set out on all those years ago at the temple. I spent years trying to reinvent myself when all I really needed to do was make friends with my true character. In my solitude I realized the true nature of what a Jedi is supposed to be and I began to understand my strife with this place in trying to make it something that it will just never be.

Welcome to our glorious ranks of Guest, what I've been recently calling it as "those whom finally get it". Pop corn stand is around the corner, there is free fountain drinks on Wednesdays, and even though they are a little bit farther always go to the other bathrooms they are generally cleaner.

Tellahane wrote: Welcome to our glorious ranks of Guest, what I've been recently calling it as "those whom finally get it". Pop corn stand is around the corner, there is free fountain drinks on Wednesdays, and even though they are a little bit farther always go to the other bathrooms they are generally cleaner.

The new "rank" is actually quite a relief. Something I thought I would never experience. I am a driven person and want to achieve and I got caught up in an ironic environment that said it was accepting of all but really wasnt. Its ok, thats the nature of dogma, but I wish they could admit that to themselves. Im now free and finally at peace with myself. As a Ranger I have now taken on a mission of freedom and truth for all that can only be done as Ronin. Plus here there is free popcorn and soda!!!

Copied and Posted from another thread.

Tellahane wrote: Did we read scan through pm's from time to time, absolutely.

Another reason I will remain a guest here. This is a gross violation of privacy. I dont care what excuse you use to justify it. I and my mentor used the PM system for sensitive information during my training and now Im told that my absolutely private information was not private at all.

I will be deleting all my PMs and I will never be using that system again here and I suggest everyone else to do the same.

Never mind

Reason #1,000,001 to be careful what you share online: nothing is ever truly private.

Reason #1? Nothing can ever be truly deleted.

Such things may cease to exist in your PM inbox, but the messages themselves will likely remain on the server somewhere else.... I hope you realize that.


Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree that that admitted practice is wrong. The only reason a PM should be read by the admins is if abuse or mistreatment has been reported and thus in the capacity of an official investigation, not willy-nilly because they can.

We agree on very few things, you and I, but this is one thing I think we're wholeheartedly in agreement on.

I agree Avalon, and yes I understand that nothing on the internet is every really gone. Rest assured that even the small amount of information that I ever did share was thoroughly scrubbed and so anything I sent was done with no regret.

However others may not be so savvy and for the administration of this place to freely admit the abuse is almost unheard of so I find it prudent to make as many as possible aware and ensure their safety and security of info as well.

Thanks for the reply!

Just as another thought to add to this was Zenchis constant demands of me to share personal information here at this place. Another charge that could be leveled against him, it was actually one of the major points of contention between he and I. In that regard alone his excommunication is well deserved.

So I warn everyone undertaking a position here that if ANYONE, even a Knight, demands anything of you or coerces you in any way or tries to manipulate you into giving up anything that you are not comfortable sharing do not trust them! I have been victim to this in the past from people I thought I could trust and ended up being betrayed. So never trust anyone you know solely on the internet! EVER!

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: Copied and Posted from another thread.

Tellahane wrote: Did we read scan through pm's from time to time, absolutely.

Another reason I will remain a guest here. This is a gross violation of privacy. I dont care what excuse you use to justify it. I and my mentor used the PM system for sensitive information during my training and now Im told that my absolutely private information was not private at all.

I will be deleting all my PMs and I will never be using that system again here and I suggest everyone else to do the same.

I understand your concern and I share them. The entire point of a private message system is that the messages should remain private. For the record, only a few people actually have access to the PM system, and I'm not one of them. Or if I am able, I don't know how. When Tellahane was a Councillor and Site Admin, I know he had access, so maybe he can speak to when and why these "scans" occurred.

It is my understanding that PMs are only accessed when a specific complaint has been made that involves inappropriate and/or illegal behavior. In these cases, we try to ask the accuser for screen shots of the PM in question rather than accessing it ourselves. Again, this is my understanding, but I cannot speak to whether or not this is always the case.

Senan wrote:

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: Copied and Posted from another thread.

Tellahane wrote: Did we read scan through pm's from time to time, absolutely.

Another reason I will remain a guest here. This is a gross violation of privacy. I dont care what excuse you use to justify it. I and my mentor used the PM system for sensitive information during my training and now Im told that my absolutely private information was not private at all.

I will be deleting all my PMs and I will never be using that system again here and I suggest everyone else to do the same.

I understand your concern and I share them. The entire point of a private message system is that the messages should remain private. For the record, only a few people actually have access to the PM system, and I'm not one of them. Or if I am able, I don't know how. When Tellahane was a Councillor and Site Admin, I know he had access, so maybe he can speak to when and why these "scans" occurred.

It is my understanding that PMs are only accessed when a specific complaint has been made that involves inappropriate and/or illegal behavior. In these cases, we try to ask the accuser for screen shots of the PM in question rather than accessing it ourselves. Again, this is my understanding, but I cannot speak to whether or not this is always the case.

Only two people have ever had access to my knowledge and it was Ren(currently) and myself when I had the position. I can tell you the only time I ever accessed it was to run queries to search for key words for anything that would be a red flag. As I just mentioned in the other thread you don't actually even see initially who is sending to who without following a trail of ID numbers back to user names, of which I can only recall doing once, and that was when there was a PM that was potentially soliciting a minor, of which no other content anywhere else on the sight had that information in it. If an event had occurred with a minor that was caused via this website, the website and the temple as a whole could have been liable for it if we we'rent monitoring that kind of thing. That being said I have had careers in this area and well aware of how to respect privacy. Not once has any post or communication I've ever made had any content from anyones' private messaging, with only one exception if any and that was that individually suspected pm. This includes the private council chats and other means to which we communicated to each other.

There is no means of any communication online at all that isn't in some way able to be viewed by some type of administrator somewhere. There are ways of encrypting it but every encryption has a way to decrypt it otherwise there wouldn't be a point in storing it. This includes things like discord chats too.

Tellahane wrote: the website and the temple as a whole could have been liable for it if we we'rent monitoring that kind of thing.

Thats not exactly true. Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996, gives websites broad legal immunity: With some exceptions, online platforms can't be sued for something posted by a user — and that remains true even if they act a little like publishers, by moderating posts or setting specific standards. As long as the site has no active hand in the content it is exempt.

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Tellahane wrote: the website and the temple as a whole could have been liable for it if we we'rent monitoring that kind of thing.

Thats not exactly true. Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996, gives websites broad legal immunity: With some exceptions, online platforms can't be sued for something posted by a user — and that remains true even if they act a little like publishers, by moderating posts or setting specific standards. As long as the site has no active hand in the content it is exempt.

As mentioned elsewhere, not a US hosted server...They also can be gone after despite that act if the platform is proven to be a save haven for organizing such acts, which could be proven if there are no attempts/methods to moderate or protect from such felonies occurring. Which is why privacy policies/terms of use and other such things are so important to online websites hence the continuing discussion in the other thread.

Tellahane wrote: As mentioned elsewhere, not a US hosted server...They also can be gone after despite that act if the platform is proven to be a save haven for organizing such acts, which could be proven if there are no attempts/methods to moderate or protect from such felonies occurring. Which is why privacy policies/terms of use and other such things are so important to online websites hence the continuing discussion in the other thread.

Where is the server hosted? Doesnt matter really the law is clear, this is a US based corporation and so subject to US law. And to be liable the site owners have to be actively participating in the illegal activity. Beyond that monitoring or not monitoring is irrelevant. The site is exempt. You are justifying your unethical behaviour.

No law was broken, I simply can't explain myself in any other way that doesn't involve violating personal privacy. I can't really say it any other way then that, if that makes me look like a victim trying to play the get out of jail card then so be it but thats that. I'm not continuing the discussion anymore as its clearly pointless, unless council and the members involved give me permission to do otherwise.