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26 Nov 2018 21:05 #329675 by Tetrahedron
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26 Nov 2018 21:47 #329679 by
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In the words of one of my beloved mentors, whom also lost his battle with cancer at the beginning of the year, who loved to be as helpful and insightful as Yoda, the answer to all of your questions and statements: “Yes”.

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27 Nov 2018 01:53 #329704 by
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For those who ask for evidence go look if you care to.. if you don't, don't come on a thread like this asking for it.. it's counterproductive to the actual solution orientated conversation trying to take place.. and there also been attempts to bring some. Deconstructing the proof is necessary. However, there's been more bashing then an actual discussion..

Personally, as someone who respects The Force as I do. It will not let me accept methods of coercive control over my life or the lives of its other conscious children. People can do just fine without other people controlling them for their own purposes.. it's not just and it's not natural.. as we respect The Force we should respect people and the freedom Nature gave them.. because of that, as a "Jedi" it's part of my mission to see the liberation of Life from Darkness and evil.. *natural cycles of nature not included*

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27 Nov 2018 18:54 #329760 by
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Uzima Moto wrote: For those who ask for evidence go look if you care to.. if you don't, don't come on a thread like this asking for it.. it's counterproductive to the actual solution orientated conversation trying to take place.. and there also been attempts to bring some. Deconstructing the proof is necessary. However, there's been more bashing then an actual discussion..



Actually the only bashing going on here is your accusation that the criticisms provided to your claims is nothing more than bashing. Instead of addressing the criticisms you are providing red herrings and claiming unfair treatment. None of these are valid approaches to justifying your claims. The criticisms are the opposite of counterproductive, in fact they have been the most productive part of this thread. You cannot provide a solution to a problem that does not exist.

As for your demand that critics of half-baked ideas and pseudo-scientific claims not come on threads in an open and public forum, I’m afraid that will fall on deaf ears. I suggest if you want to discuss such things free of critique you should be the one to leave forums like this alone and instead go to a conspiracy forum where such ideas are coddled.





Uzima Moto wrote: Personally, as someone who respects The Force as I do. It will not let me accept methods of coercive control over my life or the lives of its other conscious children. People can do just fine without other people controlling them for their own purposes.. it's not just and it's not natural.. as we respect The Force we should respect people and the freedom Nature gave them.. because of that, as a "Jedi" it's part of my mission to see the liberation of Life from Darkness and evil.. *natural cycles of nature not included*



I agree that methods of unjust coercive control over the sovereignty of individual lives should be eradicated where we find them. It’s the reason we fought WWII against Hitler and it’s the reason we as a nation made reparations including payouts of 1.6 billion to Japanese Americans that were placed in internment camps during that same time. Mistakes were made, sure, but the people spoke out and legislative action was taken to correct them. This is just one example. If these secret organizations were truly in control why would they have allowed these actions to payout and legislate new laws so it never happens again to come about?

To take these things to a level where you see stereotypical and consummately cartoonish evil people like Snidely Whiplash around every corner in secret league with Boris and Natasha who have absolutely no redeeming qualities or regard for human life all stroking their mustaches as they enact plans to manically take over the world or commit such atrocious attacks of terrorism against their own people just so they can hold the world at ransom is just paranoid delusion.

You have your mission as a Jedi and that’s great. But stop fighting wind mills and instead turn your attention to the real issues this world faces and actually do some good in that regard instead of wasting time chasing shadows. And if you disagree with that and insist on your course of action then I must pursue my mission as a Je’daii and see the liberation of life from the misconception and outright lies these conspiracies bring. To help people realize that there is no such thing as evil, that the darkness is necessary because it is within and should be embraced and harnessed for mankind’s true advancement as a species.

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27 Nov 2018 20:45 #329764 by
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Tetrahedron wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlIGEZp0nLg

Just to play Darth's Advocate.


It's actually kind of concerning that the most powerful people in the world are people we barely know, which alone should concern people among the numerous secret meetings they have

Whether it's Rothschilds, Bilderbergs, Area 51, Roswell, Monsanto, those groups always seem to love secrecy, which should let people know if they have a lot to hide, they are likely not up to any good, especially the kind of power they wield.

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28 Nov 2018 19:25 #329787 by
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Yabuturtle wrote: ...which should let people know if they have a lot to hide, they are likely not up to any good...


This very temples controlling powers hide a lot. They hide certain forums, certain conversations, have secret meeting places and exclusive gatherings. By your flawed logic they must be up to no good as well, right?

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28 Nov 2018 22:04 #329789 by Adder
Bilderbegs et al want you to waste your time with celebrities and conspiracies.... and if they wanted to create fear they don't need to resort to 'false flag' operations, for the lack of real threats is only part of the illusion of the conspiracy to begin with. There are plenty of real enough threats out there which if they wanted they could just allow to slip through, if indeed their power is so deep. It would be much safer and easier for them!!! So when conspiracy theorists go to false flags its a sure sign to me they are buying into the conspiracy narrative rather then developing their logical construct of actual conspiracy!!!

The biggest threat to rich people is people learning about how to be rich, because it erodes their base of power ever so slightly..... and while it would take millions of people for them to actually feel it - the one thing rich people realize is how easy is it to lose compared to how hard it is to make, which is why they like their privacy and hold their cards close to their chest. For example, you don't build a house and then invite termites in, you keep the buggers out at all cost!!! BUT there is nothing stopping termites building their own houses. Its all just a competition and the only thing stopping people from playing is themselves - you don't need to be born into wealth to get wealthy. But privacy is pretty par for the course so its existence alone is not enough reason to assert abuse.

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06 Dec 2018 00:27 #330157 by
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Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: Actually the only bashing going on here is your accusation that the criticisms provided to your claims is nothing more than bashing. Instead of addressing the criticisms you are providing red herrings and claiming unfair treatment. None of these are valid approaches to justifying your claims. The criticisms are the opposite of counterproductive, in fact they have been the most productive part of this thread. You cannot provide a solution to a problem that does not exist.

As for your demand that critics of half-baked ideas and pseudo-scientific claims *bash" not come on threads in an open and public forum, I’m afraid that will fall on deaf ears. I suggest if you want to discuss such things free of critique you should be the one to leave forums like this alone and instead go to a conspiracy forum where such ideas are coddled.


I've actually provided evidence and could provide more. I have, in no way, tried to throw out things to distract from the argument. However, that [providing evidence] wasn't the point of this thread. The point of this thread was to come up with solutions to these OBVIOUS problems.. and you have been the red herring itself to that entire discussion.. If you want to remain blind and gullible you have that right. Everybody isn't going to join you in the dark though.

No amount of bashing, which I marked in your quotes, will run me off to some corner where people like you can make sure we're out of the way. No, I'll just ignore you personally. Continuing with the conversation at hand. I would advise anyone else who wants the discussion to do the same. The only people who could marginalize me by force is the Council itself.. thankfully, you're NOWHERE near that..

I don't mind actual discussion. I don't mind the representation of evidence on both sides. What I won't acknowledge is the outright attack of people's ideas. Even the one's I'm adamant about, like the natural tyranny of Socialism..

I agree that methods of unjust coercive control over the sovereignty of individual lives should be eradicated where we find them. It’s the reason we fought WWII against Hitler and it’s the reason we as a nation made reparations including payouts of 1.6 billion to Japanese Americans that were placed in internment camps during that same time. Mistakes were made, sure, but the people spoke out and legislative action was taken to correct them. This is just one example. If these secret organizations were truly in control why would they have allowed these actions to payout and legislate new laws so it never happens again to come about?

To take these things to a level where you see stereotypical and consummately cartoonish evil people like Snidely Whiplash around every corner in secret league with Boris and Natasha who have absolutely no redeeming qualities or regard for human life all stroking their mustaches as they enact plans to manically take over the world or commit such atrocious attacks of terrorism against their own people just so they can hold the world at ransom is just paranoid delusion.*bash*

You have your mission as a Jedi and that’s great. But stop fighting wind mills and instead turn your attention to the real issues this world faces and actually do some good in that regard instead of wasting time chasing shadows. And if you disagree with that and insist on your course of action then I must pursue my mission as a Je’daii and see the liberation of life from the misconception and outright lies these conspiracies bring.*bash* To help people realize that there is no such thing as evil, that the darkness is necessary because it is within and should be embraced and harnessed for mankind’s true advancement as a species.


See, Kyrin.. How are you going to debate against my point when you don't even understand it? Then, at the same time, you actually agree with my whole point..

See, you mention Hitler. However, the set up for WW2 began at the end of WW1. It had been said before that the peace treaty was little more than a 20 year ceasefire.. not only that, but the same interests behind WW1 also put Hitler in power. WW2 was simply a do over.. The secret deals and agreements happening without the knowledge or consent of the people lead them into the tyranny of war in WW1. Just so these interest groups could reshape the world in their image.. you seem to hold a cartoonish view of what tyranny looks like.. the same images you accuse me of having actually point to your misunderstanding of my argument.. even though there are sociopaths who would be attracted to power.. mass internment is Hard tyranny, but despotism comes in other forms. Even democracy itself can become despotic.. to think that just because people make reparations that it's proof that these moves are totally altruistic is a fallacy itself..

You cannot liberate people from being suspicious of Power. It is an intrigal part of a healthy and free society. There's nothing delusional or paranoid about it. There's nothing that could even argue against that point. The ENTIRE ideology behind the US revolution was suspicion of Power BECAUSE OF people's tendency to centralize and abuse it, or ignore that process as it happens around them. Which, in truth, is the real delusion.. the true evil that excuses and allows much darker evil to exist unabated..

I'm letting you know now. Your mission will be a failure.. with little to no input from me.. because these Elitists will expose themselves. Just like how Chemtrails were a "cOnSpIrAcY tHeOrY" until they're not because we can use them to combat "gLoBaL WaRmInG".. but then, weather modification isn't in the U.S. Code to look pretty or tickle my suspicion. Your accusations of falsity HAVE NO MERIT.. if only because of the amount of documentation out there on these subjects.. but also because you can't back your accusations with ANY proof or logical argument..

Fighting "climate change" is fighting windmills. What I propose is a decentralization of Power, Wealth, and Force.. that is the real good and righteous work I am committed to.. using people's good nature and fears to coerce them into a system of control IS THE REAL ISSUE... not CO2 or Donald Trump.. Decentralization will empower the masses into prosperity.. not Central Planning.. good luck with that though if that's part of your mission.. just don't end up on the wrong side of history..

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06 Dec 2018 00:33 #330159 by
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Kyrin..

Climate change is propaganda..

911 was aided by elements WITHIN our governing institutions..

Spiritual Light is real, existing within us and in nature(outside us).. Darkness is the ugly void..

Until you have something credible to back your accusations of falsity of these claims. I WILL IGNORE YOU and encourage others to do so. If you have real questions or skepticism. Please feel free to express them in a loving manner..

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06 Dec 2018 05:53 #330174 by Gisteron

Uzima Moto wrote: Climate change is propaganda..

It is. Climate science is a profoundly important topic and reveals very urgent issues that people, whether they are themselves powerful or only voting for others to be, need to be well informed on. That's why there is so much of a push to propagate this information as far as it'll go. To not propagandize it could be argued to be a literal crime against humanity, just as spreading lies about it could.


Spiritual Light is real, existing within us and in nature(outside us).. Darkness is the ugly void..

What does that even mean? And once that is cleared up, how do you know?

Better to leave questions unanswered than answers unquestioned
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06 Dec 2018 15:28 #330204 by
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Uzima Moto wrote: The point of this thread was to come up with solutions to these OBVIOUS problems..


Not so obvious if you are a member of a fringe society such as yourself that disagrees with the rest of the world including the leading experts in these areas that have trained in their discipline for decades.


Uzima Moto wrote: Everybody isn't going to join you in the dark though.


Oh good, its crowded enough in here already…


Uzima Moto wrote: The only people who could marginalize me by force is the Council itself.. thankfully, you're NOWHERE near that..


By force? Who said anything about force? To escalate things in this way by claiming individuals threatened you with force is a paranoid stance there is no evidence for.


Uzima Moto wrote: What I won't acknowledge is the outright attack of people's ideas.


That’s fine but not acknowledging them wont make them or the truth they represent go away.



Uzima Moto wrote: Just like how Chemtrails were a "cOnSpIrAcY tHeOrY" until they're not because we can use them to combat "gLoBaL WaRmInG"


That is not the sort of “chem trail” we have been talking about and you know it. You are guilty of the fallacy of equivocation here.



Uzima Moto wrote: What I propose is a decentralization of Power, Wealth, and Force.. that is the real good and righteous work I am committed to.. Decentralization will empower the masses into prosperity


Your proposal is one created out of your ignorance of the subject matter. The only thing your proposal will create is a society where two wolves and a sheep will be voting on whats for dinner.

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07 Dec 2018 15:19 #330260 by
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Gisteron wrote:

Uzima Moto wrote: Climate change is propaganda..

It is. Climate science is a profoundly important topic and reveals very urgent issues that people, whether they are themselves powerful or only voting for others to be, need to be well informed on. That's why there is so much of a push to propagate this information as far as it'll go. To not propagandize it could be argued to be a literal crime against humanity, just as spreading lies about it could.


I mean propaganda in the *derogatory* sense of the term.

*DEROGATORY*
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

The special interest groups behind this hysteria are pushing misleading information. Its success lies in its "appeal to authority".

"DoNt BeLiEvE jUsT OnE eXpErT. BeLiEvE a HuNdReD." As if they couldn't be bullied or money-rolled into peddling misleading information. The idea though that human activity alone is the source of these "climate issues" is absurd to begin with..

Spiritual Light is real, existing within us and in nature(outside us).. Darkness is the ugly void..

What does that even mean? And once that is cleared up, how do you know?


Spirit is real, it's fullness and light(substance and energy), it's natural and supernatural (manifesting as and beyond things within our material perception), and it makes up every that exists. It is One substance, manifesting in a trillion different ways.. Darkness is the opposite, void. Where there is no substance, no energy, and, by consequence, no Life..

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07 Dec 2018 19:08 - 07 Dec 2018 19:08 #330274 by Gisteron

Uzima Moto wrote:

Gisteron wrote:

Uzima Moto wrote: Climate change is propaganda..

It is. Climate science is a profoundly important topic and reveals very urgent issues that people, whether they are themselves powerful or only voting for others to be, need to be well informed on. That's why there is so much of a push to propagate this information as far as it'll go. To not propagandize it could be argued to be a literal crime against humanity, just as spreading lies about it could.


I mean propaganda in the *derogatory* sense of the term.

*DEROGATORY*
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

The special interest groups behind this hysteria are pushing misleading information. Its success lies in its "appeal to authority".

"DoNt BeLiEvE jUsT OnE eXpErT. BeLiEvE a HuNdReD." As if they couldn't be bullied or money-rolled into peddling misleading information. The idea though that human activity alone is the source of these "climate issues" is absurd to begin with..

I'll be delighted to review your meteorological and geological data recordings from all over the world for the past centuries and read the theory you publish that accounts for specifics of their general behaviour and recent trends. Please, do let me know when you have something.


Spiritual Light is real, existing within us and in nature(outside us).. Darkness is the ugly void..

What does that even mean? And once that is cleared up, how do you know?


Spirit is real, it's fullness and light(substance and energy), it's natural and supernatural (manifesting as and beyond things within our material perception), and it makes up every that exists. It is One substance, manifesting in a trillion different ways.. Darkness is the opposite, void. Where there is no substance, no energy, and, by consequence, no Life..

You gotta finish that sentence. Where there is none of those things... what's up there?
Anyway, I thought that you quoting my query would introduce you attempting to answer it. Instead you babbled more vague to meaningless gibberish. So I shall repeat myself also. What does any of that mean, and how do you know that you are talking about something remotely real here?

Better to leave questions unanswered than answers unquestioned
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10 Dec 2018 01:36 #330483 by
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I'll come up with a report after you. Until then, I'm going to side with the skeptics on this topic. Since many of them are a part of the scientific community people say has come to an unquestionable conclusion..

So just on its face it SOUNDS like propaganda..

Also, I'm not about to type a dissertation here. I said it as simply as it could be said. You just want some deep, complicated explanation when there isn't one. You're not going to get any material quantification of things that are immaterial. You're going to have to go beyond your normal senses.. If you read that last sentence correctly. You would see where it's complete. No Life being the end result.. That is Darkness, the void..

You and Kyrin deliberately misconstrue the arguments when it serves your purposes. Just like she thinks I meant chemtrails as more than geoengineering. However, I've only connected them with weather modification. Doing so on more than one occasion. You keep saying I speak gibberish just because it's not in the format most acceptable for your consumption..

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10 Dec 2018 09:43 #330514 by
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Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

The point of this thread was to come up with solutions to these OBVIOUS problems..


Not so obvious if you are a member of a fringe society such as yourself that disagrees with the rest of the world including the leading experts in these areas that have trained in their discipline for decades.


And when those scientists refuse to disclose the process by which they came to their conclusions. Because of the fear that someone may scrutinize it and find flaws. They expose themselves to criticism and rightfully so..


Uzima Moto wrote: The only people who could marginalize me by force is the Council itself.. thankfully, you're NOWHERE near that..


By force? Who said anything about force? To escalate things in this way by claiming individuals threatened you with force is a paranoid stance there is no evidence for.


I didn't claim that anyone threatened me with force. I'm letting you know that short of force. I can't be marginalized to a corner. Out of good conscience of course. I can't let sheep-like utopianism thinking take over this movement..

Uzima Moto wrote: What I won't acknowledge is the outright attack of people's ideas.


That’s fine but not acknowledging them wont make them or the truth they represent go away.


Truth? Where? Lmbo, sounds more like conjecture..

Uzima Moto wrote: Just like how Chemtrails were a "cOnSpIrAcY tHeOrY" until they're not because we can use them to combat "gLoBaL WaRmInG"


That is not the sort of “chem trail” we have been talking about and you know it. You are guilty of the fallacy of equivocation here.


Idk what chemtrails YOU'VE been talking about. The only reference I made to them was in regards to weather modification. You just want to associate me with the media's purposeful misconception of Chemtrail Theories..

What I propose is a decentralization of Power, Wealth, and Force.. that is the real good and righteous work I am committed to.. Decentralization will empower the masses into prosperity


Your proposal is one created out of your ignorance of the subject matter. The only thing your proposal will create is a society where two wolves and a sheep will be voting on whats for dinner.


You don't even know what exactly I'm proposing to make that statement. Somehow though, I doubt that decentralizing power would lead to regional warlords. The ENTIRE constitutional system of The States is based on decentralization of Power. So I don't see how you did the logical gymnastics to get less corruptible power equals more corruption..

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10 Dec 2018 16:06 - 10 Dec 2018 16:09 #330536 by
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Uzima Moto wrote: And when those scientists refuse to disclose the process by which they came to their conclusions. Because of the fear that someone may scrutinize it and find flaws. They expose themselves to criticism and rightfully so..


What? Wow, that’s actually the opposite of how science works. Scientists don’t refuse to disclose processes, they actually publish process so others can test those processes and peer review them to verify results. Peer review uses the very mechanism of criticism. I don’t know where you got this insane idea that it does not work this way but it’s just wrong.



Uzima Moto wrote: Idk what chemtrails YOU'VE been talking about. The only reference I made to them was in regards to weather modification. You just want to associate me with the media's purposeful misconception of Chemtrail Theories.


You’re still back pedaling furiously. Why would you mention a perfectly open and well known process and then imply it’s part of a conspiracy in a conspiracy thread if you were never referring to the conspiracy you imply? It is not the media that is misrepresenting itself. It is you.




Uzima Moto wrote: You don't even know what exactly I'm proposing to make that statement. Somehow though, I doubt that decentralizing power would lead to regional warlords. The ENTIRE constitutional system of The States is based on decentralization of Power. So I don't see how you did the logical gymnastics to get less corruptible power equals more corruption..



You contradict yourself here. If the US constitution is one that is designed to decentralize power then what are you complaining about. The US already has the system in operation that you are proposing, right? The US is a representative republic under a semi-free market capitalist economy. Of course this system is not perfect just like any other. No system will function perfectly in practice but over the millennia of tried systems it has proven itself to be the most successful form of govt ever created. In the end you can’t have fascist regimes but you can’t have anarchy either. You need a balance.

Now if you’re talking about the constant shift of balance back and forth you are right. Things have shifted a bit more towards big govt over the last 8 years under Obama. Trump is now fixing that shift by opening up economies and deregulating things that have been over regulated. Rebuilding trade deals in our favor and lowering taxes for businesses that will create new jobs and spurred the economy into greater action and well as, has attacked Obamacare in efforts to put the control over our health back in the hands of the individual. I think things are looking up!
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10 Dec 2018 16:33 - 10 Dec 2018 17:44 #330540 by Zenchi

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Uzima Moto wrote: And when those scientists refuse to disclose the process by which they came to their conclusions. Because of the fear that someone may scrutinize it and find flaws. They expose themselves to criticism and rightfully so..


What? Wow, that’s actually the opposite of how science works. Scientists don’t refuse to disclose processes, they actually publish process so others can test those processes and peer review them to verify results. Peer review uses the very mechanism of criticism. I don’t know where you got this insane idea that it does not work this way but it’s just wrong.


He's actually got a point...

Graham Hancock (not a scientist himself) and a host of archeologists and scientists alike have in Joe Rogan's podcast, many times over, remarked how judgmental and vicious the process for submitting new evidence (for example disproving old theories concerning mankind's history as we now know it) before the scientific community at large can be...

Why is this, think about it this way. The text books we hand out to students in our schools, their filled with knowledge and data, and not all of it accurate, only what we "know" to be true and "accepted" at the time of its writing. Entire careers are at stake, when one individuals hypothesis turned theory was, years later turned out to be inaccurate simply because of new data provided. Most would take it personally, (shouldn't being they're scientists in search for truth, right?) but many do...

As of right now, all digging around the Sphinx in Egypt has been shut down. Why? I'll tell you why, because evidence is slowly coming out that contradicts what we think we know about civilization in that area for thousands of years. The careers and "legacies" of a few are at risk...

It's unfortunate how people have to die for progress to occur and the truth to come out. Scientists are human, and are prone to corruption...

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10 Dec 2018 17:47 #330546 by Carlos.Martinez3

Zenchi wrote:

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Uzima Moto wrote: And when those scientists refuse to disclose the process by which they came to their conclusions. Because of the fear that someone may scrutinize it and find flaws. They expose themselves to criticism and rightfully so..


What? Wow, that’s actually the opposite of how science works. Scientists don’t refuse to disclose processes, they actually publish process so others can test those processes and peer review them to verify results. Peer review uses the very mechanism of criticism. I don’t know where you got this insane idea that it does not work this way but it’s just wrong.


He's actually got a point...

Graham Hancock (not a scientist himself) and a host of archeologists and scientists alike have in Joe Rogan's podcast, many times over, remarked how judgmental and vicious the process for submitting new evidence (for example disproving old theories concerning mankind's history as we now know it) before the scientific community at large can be...

Why is this, think about it this way. The text books we hand out to students in our schools, their filled with knowledge and data, and not all of it accurate, only what we "know" to be true and "accepted" at the time of its writing. Entire careers are at stake, when one individuals hypothesis turned theory was, years later turned out to be inaccurate simply because of new data provided. Most would take it personally, (shouldn't being their scientists in search for truth, right?) but many do...

As of right now, all digging around the Sphinx in Egypt has been shut down. Why? I'll tell you why, because evidence is slowly coming out that contradicts what we think we know about civilization in that area for thousands of years. The careers and "legacies" of a few are at risk...

It's unfortunate how people have to die for progress to occur and the truth to come out. Scientists are human, and are prone to corruption...


This is too true. Imagine our medical treatment from let’s say the last war we had to the first civil war - two entirely different times and difrent - way different diagnoses and remedys. How far we have come as far as medicine and that’s just medicine. It IS unfortunate the sacrifice often times made for the sake of many. But what a gift we get ...

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10 Dec 2018 18:33 - 10 Dec 2018 18:39 #330557 by OB1Shinobi

Zenchi wrote:

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Uzima Moto wrote: And when those scientists refuse to disclose the process by which they came to their conclusions. Because of the fear that someone may scrutinize it and find flaws. They expose themselves to criticism and rightfully so..


What? Wow, that’s actually the opposite of how science works. Scientists don’t refuse to disclose processes, they actually publish process so others can test those processes and peer review them to verify results. Peer review uses the very mechanism of criticism. I don’t know where you got this insane idea that it does not work this way but it’s just wrong.


He's actually got a point...

Graham Hancock (not a scientist himself) and a host of archeologists and scientists alike have in Joe Rogan's podcast, many times over, remarked how judgmental and vicious the process for submitting new evidence (for example disproving old theories concerning mankind's history as we now know it) before the scientific community at large can be...

Why is this, think about it this way. The text books we hand out to students in our schools, their filled with knowledge and data, and not all of it accurate, only what we "know" to be true and "accepted" at the time of its writing. Entire careers are at stake, when one individuals hypothesis turned theory was, years later turned out to be inaccurate simply because of new data provided. Most would take it personally, (shouldn't being they're scientists in search for truth, right?) but many do...

As of right now, all digging around the Sphinx in Egypt has been shut down. Why? I'll tell you why, because evidence is slowly coming out that contradicts what we think we know about civilization in that area for thousands of years. The careers and "legacies" of a few are at risk...

It's unfortunate how people have to die for progress to occur and the truth to come out. Scientists are human, and are prone to corruption...



I see what youre saying here Zenchi and i think actually your point and Kyrins point are not incompatible. Much like capitalism, the scientific process is supposed to work a specific way but human flaws result in certain...hiccups.... malfunctions, perhaps? Yet even with the malfunctions, the scientific method is - or at least seems, logically - to be the most reliable process humanity has yet developed for producing a relaible base of knowledge. The process itself is superior even though its actual implementation goes awry sometimes. Also like capitalism, i think this is more an issue of vigilance to moniter and update the system that we have rather than scrapping it altogether.

People are complicated.
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10 Dec 2018 19:07 #330564 by Gisteron
Bear in mind that exactly zero technologies have been developed as a result of anyone's models of history. The only thing at stake in that entire subject are the careers and social influence of the individuals within it. While pseudoscientific quacks like Hancock love to exaggerate just how strongly personal biases control research progress in areas like history, it is not entirely implausible that it would nevertheless be a greater problem than in fields that actually matter to the everyday lives of the public at large, like medicine and by extension all of the biology, chemistry and ultimately physics that goes into it.

Oh, and for the record, even when nothing is wrong with your research or contradictory to any "paradigm" anti-science folks like to think science works within (what ever they mean by that), there is still every chance of a referee recommending against your paper's publication on the grounds of it not being novel enough or interesting enough, and that's assuming that it even gets past the editor. There is any number of woosters whining and complaining about how difficult it is for them to publish their alternative history, or alternative psychology, or philosophy, meanwhile chugging out books about it for the selling. If that's the amount of rigor that already makes them weep loud and wide into the public, I dare not picture how they'd handle peer review in the natural sciences.

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