Possible world wide revolution?

Of course the human mind has limits. There has never been shown a mind to exist independant of a brain and the human brain is not limitless. It is regulated by the laws of physics just like everything else. It needs energy in the form of proteins and sugars etc to function correctly. It is a common misnomer that we use only a fraction of our brain potential. Some people even claim that they are able to use more of their brains than others, providing them with psychic powers. None of this has ever been proven true. The fact is that people use all of their brains. Brain imaging research clearly shows that the entire brain is regularly engaged. There are no "unused" or "inaccessible" parts. And it's not learning disabilities that keep the mind from growing as we get older. Its cognitive bias. All it takes to overcome this is the courage to have an open mind and admit that not every gap in knowledge needs to be explained by faith.

The force led me to post that as well...

Kyrin, I know you used the more favorable definition of conspiracy theorist... figures..

As for proof. I provided some for 911 earlier in the thread.. but, as with other things I've said, I'm sure it just went unnoticed. At this point I'm tired of arguing. Especially because of that last point.. also, I searched for proof on my own. I investigated the claims for myself. I don't ask for proof. I go look. So it erks my nerve when someone would dismiss something they don't even seem to have a grasp of.. then demand I prove their misconceived assumptions.. or assert that I'm avoiding when the opposite is true.. they look like preprogrammed tactics.. I provided the videos with the invitation to fact check just so you'll see the vast amount of work that goes into this stuff sometimes.. it isn't all YouTube videos and thirdhand sourcing..

Look, this thread was started under the assumption that these type of claims DO have merit. For someone to come and make accusations of falsity without little to nothing to back them. Then demand proof of claims NOT ALREADY IN QUESTION. That was the first shift of burden.. Don't think that I've come to the worldview I have out of emotion.. or that I have avoided any question that's been presented to me. I'm not at all in this without reasonable suspicions. I speak on these things because the powers behind these happenings constitute a real threat to our liberty and potential. That's what it is for most people who talk about these things. This isn't a game or a joke. We are CANON FODDER to these type of people..

I don't care about who votes when the American Electorate has the constitutional right to sue their government and demand change under threat of rebellion. Voting is a permission slip for the continuation of our (despotic) democracy.. I don't care to make sure they have the "politically correct" thought process preferable to the powers that be. When a government has grown to the point of abuse it is the duty of the person to resist. Not ask for reprieve from the perpetrators.. we will never get it.. The idea of wanting an informed electorate isn't disagreeable at all. What is though, is that definition of "duly informed"..

In truth, the only information needed for selecting representatives is of our natural liberties. In light of that, agendas of control would be easily sniffed out. Then, those who try to explain away our need of these liberties are immediately seen for the misguided, fearful souls they are.. because liberty takes courage. The same place the drive for those ideas comes from.. The Force doesn't give us fear.. it gives power, love, and clear thinking..

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: Of course the human mind has limits. There has never been shown a mind to exist independant of a brain and the human brain is not limitless. It is regulated by the laws of physics just like everything else. It needs energy in the form of proteins and sugars etc to function correctly. It is a common misnomer that we use only a fraction of our brain potential. Some people even claim that they are able to use more of their brains than others, providing them with psychic powers. None of this has ever been proven true. The fact is that people use all of their brains. Brain imaging research clearly shows that the entire brain is regularly engaged. There are no "unused" or "inaccessible" parts. And it's not learning disabilities that keep the mind from growing as we get older. Its cognitive bias. All it takes to overcome this is the courage to have an open mind and admit that not every gap in knowledge needs to be explained by faith.

The force led me to post that as well...

Perhaps brain and mind are not one and the same.

Proof of something not existing rarely stops humans from trying. We still scan the universe for signs of life and turn up nothing, despite the math sayigg there should be at least something out there besides us.

It is at times so telling when we take less than a decade old trivial quotes from modern intellectuals and think of them as somehow new or profound or even succinctly expressing what we thought prior. What follows is a rant, not specifically about either Mr. Greene, or Ari, but of general feelings on this topic.
It is no secret that people are generally stubborn, and on average grow ever more rigid and stubborn with age. We knew about the problem of un-reason for longer than we have writings about it. It is also how long we have been cautioning each other against our biases, because we soon discovered that they make us believe in inaccurate pictures of the world and consequently lead us to make bad choices. (This is not necessarily an accurate historical account, more of an illustration of the way to justify where we are at now)
And so we constructed formal logic: A tool to help us rephrase what we think in a way that renders it easy to understand and compare to other thoughts and test the resulting thought clusters for consistency. The most obvious and simplest errors become immediately apparent that way and can be addressed. We refined that system more with the centuries, culminating in a reformulation of set theory in 1922 and subsequent re-derivation of mathematics from the new system.
In the mean time, at some point we began to realize that consistency alone is insufficient to address concerns about accuracy. It became ever more clear that a flawed picture of the world can result even if every step we treaded to arrive at it was consistent with what we had assumed and how we had treaded before. This was the beginning of a more rigorous quest for evidence than we had until then. But that came with its own problems: Biases. Our personal perspectives made us unconsciously weigh some evidence more greatly than other, confirm pre-conceived conclusions whilst ignoring indications to the contrary. With evidence, everyone could now prove what they believed all along, and whoever challenged the proof could only do so by consciously, openly, deliberately dismissing the supporting evidence. But if reality is this relative, this subjective, then we are back where we started, with internally consistent models that fail to protect us from bad choices.
Enter falsificationism. It is no longer enough to present facts that are positively indicative of a model. Now it is necessary to also present matters of fact that would be exclusively concordant with it, i.e. questions the answers to which could in principle disprove the theory. Now enter peer review also: As a way to combat individual personal biases, as well as promote the spread of good quality models, a model now must undergo the review of fellow experts who, by their sheer diversity, are unlikely to have many of the same biases in common and thus would weed out models that require the same biases to be accepted.
Now give this new framework for studying ourselves and the world around us another half century, arguably one of the most productive half centuries humanity has ever seen. We have seen medical advances so strong that where some diseases are eradicated entirely, others that used to be death sentences are barely a struggle anymore. The efficiency of resource harvesting has expanded so much that the population skyrocketed to a point where the planet's capacity and health itself is beginning to look like the limit. We have technology that allows the cripples to walk, some of the deaf to hear, and we are inching closer to bringing the blind their eyesight back, too. We have weaponry at our avail of the might to destroy almost all life on our homeworld, yet we live in by far some of the most peaceful decades our species has ever seen. We have already set foot on an alien world and we have artificial scouts out visiting yet more. We are effortlessly communicating with people around the globe, and we are designing beings that in such communications would be hardly distinguishable from natural grown people.
Along come people with their personal biases, embracing them as a strength rather than a weakness, proclaiming proudly their dedication to their faiths as if anything about it was worthy of respect or admiration. And they caution the world yet again against biases, pretending like resistence to them is itself one of them, arguably a worse one even, all because the anti-bias mechanisms we have devised in the past two and a half millennia do not treat their bias-driven beliefs with the kindness they desire. Just what do they hope for? That we indeed abandon intellectual rigor and honesty in their favour? That we give their claims a special free pass but treat the rest with the scrutiny designed for all? Un-bias is not a bias, and if an attack against reason itself is what is required to support someone's pet theory, then, much though it may pain them to hear that, their theory is unreasonable and that's all there is to say about it.

If governments are willing to sacrifice millions in wars for their agenda how do you think they would feel sacrificing a few thousand people and destroy a couple buildings. It's collateral damage to them, it scares people and leaves a haunting visage. And when you scare people, they don't think rationally.

If people in the dark ages can get corrupt in a kingdom, how do you think people will act when they have billions upon billions of dollars and own so much more land, provide so much influence, have control over our currency and also hold power over food, water, the things a person needs to live on?

If many governments of the past were willing to betray it's own people, why would america and many other countries be the exception?

If brute force didn't work in the past, why WOULDN'T they do it in the shadows where they remain undetected and slowly brainwash, because after all if you knew that brute force wouldn't work in the long run ( as it often doesn't as when you have martial law and suppress the people. They get angry and revolt eventually.) wouldn't you like to slowly brainwash and poison people into submission? isn't that pretty what you would do if you were clever and you were corrupt and held control over people's food, water, land and money as well as the media?

We have to ask these questions and look at history and put two and two together here.

Yabu, your point is not just that it could happen, but that it did and does. No amount of arguments along the lines of "Why wouldn't it?" can help establish that. History and common sense are not evidence. I'm sorry.

Uzima Moto wrote: Kyrin, I know you used the more favorable definition of conspiracy theorist... figures..

As for proof. I provided some for 911 earlier in the thread.. but, as with other things I've said, I'm sure it just went unnoticed. At this point I'm tired of arguing. Especially because of that last point.. also, I searched for proof on my own. I investigated the claims for myself. I don't ask for proof. I go look. So it erks my nerve when someone would dismiss something they don't even seem to have a grasp of.. then demand I prove their misconceived assumptions.. or assert that I'm avoiding when the opposite is true.. they look like preprogrammed tactics.. I provided the videos with the invitation to fact check just so you'll see the vast amount of work that goes into this stuff sometimes.. it isn't all YouTube videos and thirdhand sourcing..

Look, this thread was started under the assumption that these type of claims DO have merit. For someone to come and make accusations of falsity without little to nothing to back them. Then demand proof of claims NOT ALREADY IN QUESTION. That was the first shift of burden.. Don't think that I've come to the worldview I have out of emotion.. or that I have avoided any question that's been presented to me. I'm not at all in this without reasonable suspicions. I speak on these things because the powers behind these happenings constitute a real threat to our liberty and potential. That's what it is for most people who talk about these things. This isn't a game or a joke. We are CANON FODDER to these type of people..

I don't care about who votes when the American Electorate has the constitutional right to sue their government and demand change under threat of rebellion. Voting is a permission slip for the continuation of our (despotic) democracy.. I don't care to make sure they have the "politically correct" thought process preferable to the powers that be. When a government has grown to the point of abuse it is the duty of the person to resist. Not ask for reprieve from the perpetrators.. we will never get it.. The idea of wanting an informed electorate isn't disagreeable at all. What is though, is that definition of "duly informed"..

In truth, the only information needed for selecting representatives is of our natural liberties. In light of that, agendas of control would be easily sniffed out. Then, those who try to explain away our need of these liberties are immediately seen for the misguided, fearful souls they are.. because liberty takes courage. The same place the drive for those ideas comes from.. The Force doesn't give us fear.. it gives power, love, and clear thinking..

I really think a lot of it has to do with fear, where no one wants to be outed as a nut so they will accept the official story Because our government has never lied before right? How many times did our government lie to us when it came to hemp and the benefits of that. People stupidly accepted it and now people are starting to realize "You know making the most useful plant in the world was a pretty dumb idea" and you know full well the government never does such things unless it is to THEIR advantage. 9/11 never happened the way they said it did. Not once had anyone explained how other steel buildings of the past were engulfed in flames, buildings that were not built nearly as well as the twin towers and they still stand. Yet an airplane takes down one building each? People do know an airplane crashed into the empire state building before right? True the plane was smaller but the building is not built nearly as well as the twin towers, there WAS wreckage and the plane didn't just "melt" into the building. The wings would be sheared off. No one has to study physics extensively to know this doesn't make any sense.

No one wants to be called a nut case. Even if they know deep down the official stories are nonsense. They would rather fit in rather than be called a nut case, never once considering that maybe that is what their government wants. For everyone to believe in their lies and they have used many propagandist tricks to make people think that if you question ANYTHING about the government or their stories you have to be crazy. That is how bad things have gotten. Even before someone presents their own theories, people who even QUESTION anything whatsoever are looked down upon, not realizing that questioning things is what led us to our independence and helps up stave off corruption.So apparently one cannot even ask question on the official story without being called crazy.

We have to understand that no government has betrayed it's own people and never will. Their secret meetings with the Bilderberg group, the people they have dealt with like George Soros dealing with the Nazi's is all inconsequential. It's more comfortable to believe in a delusion than accept what is. Let's all ignore the military personnel who also served the government and leaked outside information about secret meetings, alien insiders, ect. All of them have the exact same agenda are saying this for no particular reason other than they just want to do it for the lulz and gain nothing from it. Let's all ignore the fact that politicians, including Bush was suspicious of anyone tolerating such conspiracy theories and went to war over it to find stuff that was never there and to also limit our freedoms. Let's not put two and two together because that takes effort.

You can imagine the immense fear and panic, if people realized there would be more false flags that will happen, some of which would involve annihilating most the human race, and we have plenty of means to do that i.e. nukes, anthrax, disease, ect. It never makes sense to me when people say "Why would our benevolent government do that?" Why WOULDN'T they? They have nothing to lose from this. They will also have the upper hand no matter what happens to us. A diminished population is easier to manage, you get people scared and confused which means they can't think straight, and you weakened them spiritually physically and mentally. Governments feel just fine sending millions to die in wars that were fabricated, so of course they aren't going to show remorse now. They didn't the last few times, why would they now?

Yabuturtle wrote: No one has to study physics extensively to know this doesn't make any sense.

This pretty much sums up the entire conspiracy theory claim right here. No one has to study physics to know this does not make any sense is a statement that categorically discredits your every argument here. It is a statement based on faith, wishful thinking and God of the Gaps mentality.

"Well it seems like this is mostly likely true, therefore I will declare it as true!"

No evidence, no proof, just an intuitive "feeling" of awe or fear or likely cause. When we began to study the universe, people could not comprehend how this place came to be and they were so afraid of this lack of knowledge they made up Gods to explain it. And here in these cases, people cannot comprehend how such things can happen as they do and so they makeup conspiracies to explain their lack of knowledge. Its more comforting for them to believe they have special knowledge or more knowledge than the very masters of physics, and biology and economics that have studied these things for decades because it alleviates their fear.

I hear the most incredulous claims all the time. All you have to do is look at the trees and the sky to know God exists. All you have to do is look at history and know our govt is corrupt. All you have to do is look at how a plane went into a building on a grainy video and know that it was not a real plane or it was a hologram. All you have to do is watch the tower fall to know it was blown up by the govt. All these claims are based on flawed thinking. They are based on intuition not fact. Intuition, just like faith, is an unreliable means to arrive at truth because it has no rigors, no checks and balances and is not supported by evidence.

You can claim anything using these methods and you will never know if it is true or not. That is why we dismiss your claims and that is why we fight against them so strongly. That is why scientific methods were created. To bring us out of the ages of superstition and faith and flawed thinking. So that we could live in a world of truth not fear. So that we could come into an age of the greatest freedom and peace the world has ever known instead of one of disease and war and magical thinking. Yes it is actually science that has given you the greatest nations and govts and resources ever created to live under today. The alternative to this it is your sort of misguided thinking that will only serve to enslave us once again. It is your sort of fear that men use to enslave, not the freedom to question that science provides and the proof in evidence that gives us truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1te01rfEF0g

Arisaig wrote: So you are saying, beyond reasonable doubt, you have proof against the exsistance of any gods or supernatural beings? That you can say that this world and exsistance is indeed a bunch of mistakes and accidents that led to what we have now and nothing more?

And if so, how does being a Jedi (or jed'daii or however its to be spelled), a purveyor of an unseen Force, and being a witch, play into thay mindset?

Disbelief in such power is pretty comforting even if others don't want to admit it. Because if they knew full well that such things exist it would frighten them because they don't understand it and have no way to defend themselves from it.

I wonder how many would really be frightened if they knew exactly what their government did, what they plan to do and what they will do. Even Bush himself mentioned that that everyone would pretty much revolt if they knew. The low level politicians don't care about him, why would vastly more powerful bankers and philanthropists who operating behind the scenes and buy out the politicians, care about them

Questioning official stories is what helps up stave off corruption. We cannot afford to just buy a story just because it's official. Even incidents like Gulf of Tonkin didn't happen the way they said it did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HODxnUrFX6k

Even Star Wars itself makes constant references to people in power and people like Palpatine. Well, there are LOTS of Palpatines running around, way more than people think and they have people everywhere. When you have a lot of money what do you have? Influence.

Yabuturtle wrote: Disbelief in such power is pretty comforting even if others don't want to admit it. Because if they knew full well that such things exist it would frighten them because they don't understand it and have no way to defend themselves from it.

And you know all this from your extensive study of physics and your detailed scrutiny of a science fiction movie... Got it. You seem to have no original arguments. You just regurgitate others points and flip them on their head and then you make vague generalized comments of some bogey man lurking in the dark for us.

If even a shred of what you say is slightly true why are you here, on a Jedi board, telling us about it? What can we possibly do about it? Why dont you get a lawyer and go after this massive underground corrupt infrastructure that is controlling your life? Why not join a militia and go to war? Why not start a revolution and change the status quo? Why here, sitting comfortably in your house, talking to those that have zero ability to change it? It seems even you do not believe your own fabrications or you are just unwilling to do anything about it. Either way it does not speak highly of your ideas or your mettle. Even a young kid from a backward desert planet took up arms to fight for what was right. Why dont you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlIGEZp0nLg

Just to play Darth's Advocate.

In the words of one of my beloved mentors, whom also lost his battle with cancer at the beginning of the year, who loved to be as helpful and insightful as Yoda, the answer to all of your questions and statements: “Yes”.

For those who ask for evidence go look if you care to.. if you don't, don't come on a thread like this asking for it.. it's counterproductive to the actual solution orientated conversation trying to take place.. and there also been attempts to bring some. Deconstructing the proof is necessary. However, there's been more bashing then an actual discussion..

Personally, as someone who respects The Force as I do. It will not let me accept methods of coercive control over my life or the lives of its other conscious children. People can do just fine without other people controlling them for their own purposes.. it's not just and it's not natural.. as we respect The Force we should respect people and the freedom Nature gave them.. because of that, as a "Jedi" it's part of my mission to see the liberation of Life from Darkness and evil.. *natural cycles of nature not included*

Uzima Moto wrote: For those who ask for evidence go look if you care to.. if you don't, don't come on a thread like this asking for it.. it's counterproductive to the actual solution orientated conversation trying to take place.. and there also been attempts to bring some. Deconstructing the proof is necessary. However, there's been more bashing then an actual discussion..

Actually the only bashing going on here is your accusation that the criticisms provided to your claims is nothing more than bashing. Instead of addressing the criticisms you are providing red herrings and claiming unfair treatment. None of these are valid approaches to justifying your claims. The criticisms are the opposite of counterproductive, in fact they have been the most productive part of this thread. You cannot provide a solution to a problem that does not exist.

As for your demand that critics of half-baked ideas and pseudo-scientific claims not come on threads in an open and public forum, I’m afraid that will fall on deaf ears. I suggest if you want to discuss such things free of critique you should be the one to leave forums like this alone and instead go to a conspiracy forum where such ideas are coddled.

Uzima Moto wrote: Personally, as someone who respects The Force as I do. It will not let me accept methods of coercive control over my life or the lives of its other conscious children. People can do just fine without other people controlling them for their own purposes.. it's not just and it's not natural.. as we respect The Force we should respect people and the freedom Nature gave them.. because of that, as a "Jedi" it's part of my mission to see the liberation of Life from Darkness and evil.. *natural cycles of nature not included*

I agree that methods of unjust coercive control over the sovereignty of individual lives should be eradicated where we find them. It’s the reason we fought WWII against Hitler and it’s the reason we as a nation made reparations including payouts of 1.6 billion to Japanese Americans that were placed in internment camps during that same time. Mistakes were made, sure, but the people spoke out and legislative action was taken to correct them. This is just one example. If these secret organizations were truly in control why would they have allowed these actions to payout and legislate new laws so it never happens again to come about?

To take these things to a level where you see stereotypical and consummately cartoonish evil people like Snidely Whiplash around every corner in secret league with Boris and Natasha who have absolutely no redeeming qualities or regard for human life all stroking their mustaches as they enact plans to manically take over the world or commit such atrocious attacks of terrorism against their own people just so they can hold the world at ransom is just paranoid delusion.

You have your mission as a Jedi and that’s great. But stop fighting wind mills and instead turn your attention to the real issues this world faces and actually do some good in that regard instead of wasting time chasing shadows. And if you disagree with that and insist on your course of action then I must pursue my mission as a Je’daii and see the liberation of life from the misconception and outright lies these conspiracies bring. To help people realize that there is no such thing as evil, that the darkness is necessary because it is within and should be embraced and harnessed for mankind’s true advancement as a species.

Tetrahedron wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlIGEZp0nLg

Just to play Darth's Advocate.

It's actually kind of concerning that the most powerful people in the world are people we barely know, which alone should concern people among the numerous secret meetings they have

Whether it's Rothschilds, Bilderbergs, Area 51, Roswell, Monsanto, those groups always seem to love secrecy, which should let people know if they have a lot to hide, they are likely not up to any good, especially the kind of power they wield.

Yabuturtle wrote: ...which should let people know if they have a lot to hide, they are likely not up to any good...

This very temples controlling powers hide a lot. They hide certain forums, certain conversations, have secret meeting places and exclusive gatherings. By your flawed logic they must be up to no good as well, right?

Bilderbegs et al want you to waste your time with celebrities and conspiracies.... and if they wanted to create fear they don't need to resort to 'false flag' operations, for the lack of real threats is only part of the illusion of the conspiracy to begin with. There are plenty of real enough threats out there which if they wanted they could just allow to slip through, if indeed their power is so deep. It would be much safer and easier for them!!! So when conspiracy theorists go to false flags its a sure sign to me they are buying into the conspiracy narrative rather then developing their logical construct of actual conspiracy!!!

The biggest threat to rich people is people learning about how to be rich, because it erodes their base of power ever so slightly..... and while it would take millions of people for them to actually feel it - the one thing rich people realize is how easy is it to lose compared to how hard it is to make, which is why they like their privacy and hold their cards close to their chest. For example, you don't build a house and then invite termites in, you keep the buggers out at all cost!!! BUT there is nothing stopping termites building their own houses. Its all just a competition and the only thing stopping people from playing is themselves - you don't need to be born into wealth to get wealthy. But privacy is pretty par for the course so its existence alone is not enough reason to assert abuse.

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: Actually the only bashing going on here is your accusation that the criticisms provided to your claims is nothing more than bashing. Instead of addressing the criticisms you are providing red herrings and claiming unfair treatment. None of these are valid approaches to justifying your claims. The criticisms are the opposite of counterproductive, in fact they have been the most productive part of this thread. You cannot provide a solution to a problem that does not exist.

As for your demand that critics of half-baked ideas and pseudo-scientific claims *bash" not come on threads in an open and public forum, I’m afraid that will fall on deaf ears. I suggest if you want to discuss such things free of critique you should be the one to leave forums like this alone and instead go to a conspiracy forum where such ideas are coddled.

I've actually provided evidence and could provide more. I have, in no way, tried to throw out things to distract from the argument. However, that [providing evidence] wasn't the point of this thread. The point of this thread was to come up with solutions to these OBVIOUS problems.. and you have been the red herring itself to that entire discussion.. If you want to remain blind and gullible you have that right. Everybody isn't going to join you in the dark though.

No amount of bashing, which I marked in your quotes, will run me off to some corner where people like you can make sure we're out of the way. No, I'll just ignore you personally. Continuing with the conversation at hand. I would advise anyone else who wants the discussion to do the same. The only people who could marginalize me by force is the Council itself.. thankfully, you're NOWHERE near that..

I don't mind actual discussion. I don't mind the representation of evidence on both sides. What I won't acknowledge is the outright attack of people's ideas. Even the one's I'm adamant about, like the natural tyranny of Socialism..

I agree that methods of unjust coercive control over the sovereignty of individual lives should be eradicated where we find them. It’s the reason we fought WWII against Hitler and it’s the reason we as a nation made reparations including payouts of 1.6 billion to Japanese Americans that were placed in internment camps during that same time. Mistakes were made, sure, but the people spoke out and legislative action was taken to correct them. This is just one example. If these secret organizations were truly in control why would they have allowed these actions to payout and legislate new laws so it never happens again to come about?

To take these things to a level where you see stereotypical and consummately cartoonish evil people like Snidely Whiplash around every corner in secret league with Boris and Natasha who have absolutely no redeeming qualities or regard for human life all stroking their mustaches as they enact plans to manically take over the world or commit such atrocious attacks of terrorism against their own people just so they can hold the world at ransom is just paranoid delusion.*bash*

You have your mission as a Jedi and that’s great. But stop fighting wind mills and instead turn your attention to the real issues this world faces and actually do some good in that regard instead of wasting time chasing shadows. And if you disagree with that and insist on your course of action then I must pursue my mission as a Je’daii and see the liberation of life from the misconception and outright lies these conspiracies bring.*bash* To help people realize that there is no such thing as evil, that the darkness is necessary because it is within and should be embraced and harnessed for mankind’s true advancement as a species.

See, Kyrin.. How are you going to debate against my point when you don't even understand it? Then, at the same time, you actually agree with my whole point..

See, you mention Hitler. However, the set up for WW2 began at the end of WW1. It had been said before that the peace treaty was little more than a 20 year ceasefire.. not only that, but the same interests behind WW1 also put Hitler in power. WW2 was simply a do over.. The secret deals and agreements happening without the knowledge or consent of the people lead them into the tyranny of war in WW1. Just so these interest groups could reshape the world in their image.. you seem to hold a cartoonish view of what tyranny looks like.. the same images you accuse me of having actually point to your misunderstanding of my argument.. even though there are sociopaths who would be attracted to power.. mass internment is Hard tyranny, but despotism comes in other forms. Even democracy itself can become despotic.. to think that just because people make reparations that it's proof that these moves are totally altruistic is a fallacy itself..

You cannot liberate people from being suspicious of Power. It is an intrigal part of a healthy and free society. There's nothing delusional or paranoid about it. There's nothing that could even argue against that point. The ENTIRE ideology behind the US revolution was suspicion of Power BECAUSE OF people's tendency to centralize and abuse it, or ignore that process as it happens around them. Which, in truth, is the real delusion.. the true evil that excuses and allows much darker evil to exist unabated..

I'm letting you know now. Your mission will be a failure.. with little to no input from me.. because these Elitists will expose themselves. Just like how Chemtrails were a "cOnSpIrAcY tHeOrY" until they're not because we can use them to combat "gLoBaL WaRmInG".. but then, weather modification isn't in the U.S. Code to look pretty or tickle my suspicion. Your accusations of falsity HAVE NO MERIT.. if only because of the amount of documentation out there on these subjects.. but also because you can't back your accusations with ANY proof or logical argument..

Fighting "climate change" is fighting windmills. What I propose is a decentralization of Power, Wealth, and Force.. that is the real good and righteous work I am committed to.. using people's good nature and fears to coerce them into a system of control IS THE REAL ISSUE... not CO2 or Donald Trump.. Decentralization will empower the masses into prosperity.. not Central Planning.. good luck with that though if that's part of your mission.. just don't end up on the wrong side of history..

Kyrin..

Climate change is propaganda..

911 was aided by elements WITHIN our governing institutions..

Spiritual Light is real, existing within us and in nature(outside us).. Darkness is the ugly void..

Until you have something credible to back your accusations of falsity of these claims. I WILL IGNORE YOU and encourage others to do so. If you have real questions or skepticism. Please feel free to express them in a loving manner..

Uzima Moto wrote: Climate change is propaganda..

It is. Climate science is a profoundly important topic and reveals very urgent issues that people, whether they are themselves powerful or only voting for others to be, need to be well informed on. That's why there is so much of a push to propagate this information as far as it'll go. To not propagandize it could be argued to be a literal crime against humanity, just as spreading lies about it could.

Spiritual Light is real, existing within us and in nature(outside us).. Darkness is the ugly void..

What does that even mean? And once that is cleared up, how do you know?