Sithism

Sith-ism is almost always tied in with the dark or “wrong” tag or label; from movies and from a lot of myths. We have as far as world and religion, can be concerned with, as far as labels are concerned. I kind of wish it weren’t so but that’s a hump those who take that label or banner (and use it or even just identify with it )will have to maneuver around or adjust to- either way - it’s always the individual’s choice. Kind of like the way I get looks when I’m asked about my faith - then the movie buff jokes come out. When you boil it down - selfishness is not a bad thing at times but neither is poison or medicine - either of which at the wrong time can have the opposite effect on things.
Now a days - we have the right and the privilege to be able to identify our own faiths individually and call it - how ever we like. I ain’t seen em all but I’ve seen a few different denominations of “Jedi isms “ and there are quite a few and even more if you actually apply the fact that each individual has the right to choose and pick their own faith faiths... there could possibly be

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

7 billion and climbing.
In every faith there CAN be present a parallel type of subject - subjects - not limiting things to - selfless -
In Sithism I’m sure there is some way or a few ways there is that as well.
When applying or seeking virtues and character does it really matter on where or who... it comes from? The reason I ask is the different forms of love displayed often in myth or movies - sacrifice and selfless regardless of what color is worn or they wield- can create results. Some times it’s just a matter of who we choose to take lead today Luke or Anakin... and which at what point in their path ? Hmmm

I want to see if anyone else has noticed this.. or if I might be seeing things lol

I don't know anyone who practices Sithism as we might call it so idk what all it brings.. so correct me if I'm wrong..

To take the whole idea of what the "Lords of the Sith" were in SW lore and make a real world comparison. I would put Sithism and other indulgent Left Hand paths in the "Brotherhood of Darkness" category. Whereas I would compare the ancient Dark Lords of the Sith Empires to those who still practice "darker" rituals. Such as the "Cremation of Care" ceremony performed at Bohemian Grove..

So I wouldn't necessarily see those who call themselves Sith specifically as practicing it in its entirety ideologically..

Uzima Moto wrote: I
To take the whole idea of what the "Lords of the Sith" were in SW lore and make a real world comparison. I would put Sithism and other indulgent Left Hand paths in the "Brotherhood of Darkness" category.

Brotherhood of Darkness?

Here's a link from wookiepedia. Essentially, they were "sith in name only" lol at least Bane might've thought so..

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Brotherhood_of_Darkness

Uzima Moto wrote: I want to see if anyone else has noticed this.. or if I might be seeing things lol

I don't know anyone who practices Sithism as we might call it so idk what all it brings.. so correct me if I'm wrong...

You are wrong.

I just spent several pages describing real world sith philosophy and how it works. I would suggest that instead of assuming and dictating to me and other sith what we believe and how we operate you might adopt a bit of that jedi humility you claim to be famous for and ask us instead of jump to conclusions.

Do you practice jedi whatever according to lore? Do you kidnap force sensitive children at age 5? Spend an entire lifetime in a monastary training endlessly? Die as virgins? Perform services in the name of your government? Have the ability to tell the future or move things with your mind? Wear robes and carry light sabers? (Well, bad example). If you do not then I would dare say you are not jedi. However I do not. I respect your path even though I dont understand it and I ask questions. I suggest you take an example and do the same.

VixensVengeance wrote:

Uzima Moto wrote: I want to see if anyone else has noticed this.. or if I might be seeing things lol

I don't know anyone who practices Sithism as we might call it so idk what all it brings.. so correct me if I'm wrong...

You are wrong.

I just spent several pages describing real world sith philosophy and how it works. I would suggest that instead of assuming and dictating to me and other sith what we believe and how we operate you might adopt a bit of that jedi humility you claim to be famous for and ask us instead of jump to conclusions.

Do you practice jedi whatever according to lore? Do you kidnap force sensitive children at age 5? Spend an entire lifetime in a monastary training endlessly? Die as virgins? Perform services in the name of your government? Have the ability to tell the future or move things with your mind? Wear robes and carry light sabers? (Well, bad example). If you do not then I would dare say you are not jedi. However I do not. I respect your path even though I dont understand it and I ask questions. I suggest you take an example and do the same.

Still out on the telekinesis thing lol.. and as corrupt govermnents are these days. I hope we're not just following orders.. kidnapping is illegal to.. I hope nobody got any ideas lol.. there are people who live in monasteries. Just like there are people who practice ritual mock sacrifices to transform their psyche..

The way you seem to describe Sithism is almost how I've heard some describe Satanism. Personally, though, I don't regard Satanism the same as dealing with actual Satanic powers of the mind like disunity or distortion of life.. using confusion and chaos to destroy in order to impose your will on others for power..

The left hand path is twofold. Fire and Darkness. These are the ideas behind the Sith concept philosophically. The Flame is one thing, Darkness is a different beast. That's the distinction I'm trying to relate.. I don't mean to offend..

Uzima Moto wrote: The way you seem to describe Sithism is almost how I've heard some describe Satanism. Personally, though, I don't regard Satanism the same as dealing with actual Satanic powers of the mind like disunity or distortion of life.. using confusion and chaos to destroy in order to impose your will on others for power..

Please, explain everything I made bold and colored blue.

Tempest Nox wrote:

Uzima Moto wrote: The way you seem to describe Sithism is almost how I've heard some describe Satanism. Personally, though, I don't regard Satanism the same as dealing with actual Satanic powers of the mind like disunity or distortion of life.. using confusion and chaos to destroy in order to impose your will on others for power..

Please, explain everything I made bold and colored blue.

Be careful when you do.. but the best cosmology I've seen in regards to this is "Sitra Archa" be advised though. This is some of the darkest knowledge you will find. Brace your spirit before you get too heavy into it..

In simple terms, there are "powers" that act against the natural manifestation process of Living Spirit..

Uzima Moto wrote:
The way you seem to describe Sithism is almost how I've heard some describe Satanism. Personally, though, I don't regard Satanism the same as dealing with actual Satanic powers of the mind like disunity or distortion of life.. using confusion and chaos to destroy in order to impose your will on others for power..

The left hand path is twofold. Fire and Darkness. These are the ideas behind the Sith concept philosophically. The Flame is one thing, Darkness is a different beast. That's the distinction I'm trying to relate.. I don't mean to offend..

So you do admit that you do not practice Jediism according to Star Wars Lore. So why then would you assume that Sith would practice their philosophy according to that lore?

You demonstrate a woeful lack of understanding in your comments of both the Sith and the Satanic path. Roughly considered, both can be left hand paths but that is where the similarity ends. Satanism is a hedonistic path that seeks pleasure as a primary goal. But the Sith path seeks passion as a primary goal and uses conflict as a motivator. These two paths could not be more different in those regards.

So you may not mean to offend but your continued assertions (I put in bold above) are offensive. I dont even know what you mean by most of them and so I am just as curious as Tempest and would like you to explain why you feel its ok to just say such things that are just in error. And what makes it worse is that you know they are in error because I, as a Sith, have told you they are in error. Who better would know than an actual Sith?

Uzima Moto wrote: Be careful when you do.. but the best cosmology I've seen in regards to this is "Sitra Archa" be advised though. This is some of the darkest knowledge you will find. Brace your spirit before you get too heavy into it..

In simple terms, there are "powers" that act against the natural manifestation process of Living Spirit..

"This is some of the darkest knowledge you will find." Which? The source of evil in Kabbalah? The void in some RPG? Seems similar to what Anti-Cosmic Satanists get into.

Depends on which Jedi you mean. In many ways, I practice the Potentium Theory.. but you're looking at this opposite of me.. as Sith and Jedi are just reconstructions of real world knowledge and practices put into a fictional universe. Anyone can contruct a Left Hand Path and call it Sith. As anyone can do the same with Jedi on the Right Hand

I'm sure some Satanists would disagree with your interpretation. However, it's still left hand.. and as you fail to understand, I'm making a real world comparison to a fictional concept..

The point of which was never to say you can't be Sith. It was to bring to attention the reality of a real world equivalent to "Ancient Sith Magic".. So, personally, I would not consider you Sith, just Dark Jedi because this lack of practice in something that is a cornerstone of any real world "Dark Side" cult. Voodoo, Luciferianism, and others..

Sithism, IMO, seems to practice the Flame aspect of the Left Hand Path. Like Satanism and others.. but there are others who study the "Abyss" aspect..

There are sith, then there are Dark Lords..

Uzima Moto wrote: I would not consider you Sith, just Dark Jedi because this lack of practice in something that is a cornerstone of any real world "Dark Side" cult. Voodoo, Luciferianism, and others..

Sithism, IMO, seems to practice the Flame aspect of the Left Hand Path. Like Satanism and others.. but there are others who study the "Abyss" aspect..

There are sith, then there are Dark Lords..

I recognize him as a Sith Realist. You? You have much to say, yet you say nothing. I’m curious, have you ever practiced Satanism?

Uzima Moto wrote: So, personally, I would not consider you Sith, just Dark Jedi because this lack of practice in something that is a cornerstone of any real world "Dark Side" cult. Voodoo, Luciferianism, and others..

Tell me, what is this "something" you speak of? And why do you feel its not practiced as a Sith?

VixensVengeance wrote:

Uzima Moto wrote: So, personally, I would not consider you Sith, just Dark Jedi because this lack of practice in something that is a cornerstone of any real world "Dark Side" cult. Voodoo, Luciferianism, and others..

Tell me, what is this "something" you speak of? And why do you feel its not practiced as a Sith?

Friend, I suspect he has a narrow view of Satanism as well as Sithism.

Tempest Nox wrote:

VixensVengeance wrote:

Uzima Moto wrote: So, personally, I would not consider you Sith, just Dark Jedi because this lack of practice in something that is a cornerstone of any real world "Dark Side" cult. Voodoo, Luciferianism, and others..

Tell me, what is this "something" you speak of? And why do you feel its not practiced as a Sith?

Friend, I suspect he has a narrow view of Satanism as well as Sithism.

I could not agree more.

Tempest Nox wrote:

Uzima Moto wrote: I would not consider you Sith, just Dark Jedi because this lack of practice in something that is a cornerstone of any real world "Dark Side" cult. Voodoo, Luciferianism, and others..

Sithism, IMO, seems to practice the Flame aspect of the Left Hand Path. Like Satanism and others.. but there are others who study the "Abyss" aspect..

There are sith, then there are Dark Lords..

I recognize him as a Sith Realist. You? You have much to say, yet you say nothing. I’m curious, have you ever practiced Satanism?

I'm just stating my opinion. I've looked a tad bit into Satanism. However, I'm trying to paint a broad picture. A spectrum of sorts.. of the Dark Side.. as per the lore and real life practices.. Sithism may not even be on this spectrum depending on the practitioner..

The Dark is very real, I think none would argue against that.. what's its nature is a different debate. My opinion, based on some research into occult practices, is that true Darkness is antithetical to Light. They stand in opposition to each other. One being All, the other the absence of All. All, as in both the active(m) and passive(f) forces of Life Force that create our reality.. Chaos is the perversion, confusion, and oppression of its (Life) power.. the action of which is like a blazing fire.. that fire is where most Left hand paths sit, in my view. The indulgence of passion, whatever those passions may be, to increase in personal power. Even if it may destroy others in the process. "Do what thou Wilt" is the law of this philosophy..

Though, there seems to be a line crossed when a practitioner uses his power to control others through means of psychological manipulation. Using them as extensions of his will. They devour the purpose of others. That is what I see as true Darkness..

I wonder, do Sith Realists practice as Palpatine or Bane? There are real people who do in more ways than one..

VixensVengeance wrote:

Uzima Moto wrote: So, personally, I would not consider you Sith, just Dark Jedi because this lack of practice in something that is a cornerstone of any real world "Dark Side" cult. Voodoo, Luciferianism, and others..

Tell me, what is this "something" you speak of? And why do you feel its not practiced as a Sith?

Manipulation of Life to serve your selfish desires.. the separation of one's self from the interconnectedness of The Force.. there's a difference between accidentally and purposeful acts of Darkness though.. in fact, I think your comment on compassion at the point of death was a good example..

If you were to just pull the plug without getting her ready inwardly for the journey.. Assuming she is able to communicate.. you could cause her great fear and confusion which would weight her down throughout her transition to other planes. That would be accidental..

Purposeful is if you pushed for the plug to be pulled just to get at the inheritance. While maintaining the mournful facade.. something Palpatine would do..

I wonder, do Sith Realists practice as Palpatine or Bane? There are real people who do in more ways than one...

Do you Yoda or Solo or even hobbit like Frodo ? Does it matter the origin of the myth? Who or where we learn ... faith or love or anything from? Who says we can’t do things we don’t try? Selfishness is a trait but can there be a just version? Ever seen one ? Love - we all know what we like and don’t like (I hope so) or at least we try some days. Who can say which form of love is better or worse until you put the main character into the story. Is there more than one version of character we seek? I know during my study I’ve found sooooo many versions of love that work but are not for me. Doesn’t make the others wrong - just not what I chose.

I wonder, do Sith Realists practice as Palpatine or Bane? There are real people who do in more ways than one...

Do you Yoda or Solo or even hobbit like Frodo ? Does it matter the origin of the myth? Who or where we learn ... faith or love or anything from? Who says we can’t do things we don’t try? Selfishness is a trait but can there be a just version? Ever seen one ? Love - we all know what we like and don’t like (I hope so) or at least we try some days. Who can say which form of love is better or worse until you put the main character into the story. Is there more than one version of character we seek? I know during my study I’ve found sooooo many versions of love that work but are not for me. Doesn’t make the others wrong - just not what I chose.

Uzima,

You looked a tad bit into Satanism?
You did some research into occult practices?

And then you quote mine Aleister Crowley to make your point? In any case the entire quote actually says:

“Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law".
"Love is the law, love under will."

Crowley also said, “It is the mark of the mind untrained to take its own processes as valid for all men, and its own judgments for absolute truth.”

Not to be overly critical but you seem to have the inability to separate reality from fantasy. Can you carry on an actual conversation without involving imaginary characters or situations?

Uzima Moto wrote:

VixensVengeance wrote:
Tell me, what is this "something" you speak of? And why do you feel its not practiced as a Sith?

Manipulation of Life to serve your selfish desires.. the separation of one's self from the interconnectedness of The Force.. there's a difference between accidentally and purposeful acts of Darkness though.. in fact, I think your comment on compassion at the point of death was a good example..

If you were to just pull the plug without getting her ready inwardly for the journey.. Assuming she is able to communicate.. you could cause her great fear and confusion which would weight her down throughout her transition to other planes. That would be accidental..

Purposeful is if you pushed for the plug to be pulled just to get at the inheritance. While maintaining the mournful facade.. something Palpatine would do..

I would say that manipulation of life is the primary goal of a Sith. I also believe that even a selfless act is an act of selfishness. It serves to make the individual doing the action to feel good. It becomes more satanic than Jedi in that regard. But would I accuse the Jedi of being Satanists as you have accused us of not being Sith but instead dark Jedi, no, I would not. That is the difference between you and I.

As for my example of grandma on her death bed, I don’t believe we go anywhere after we die so that point is moot. However even if we did go somewhere after we die, it is not my responsibility to prepare granny for anything. That is her responsibility, not mine. She is responsible for her own life and if she hasn’t prepared herself, well that’s on her.

As for getting that reward of inheritance for pulling the plug. You are damn right I would think about it. Contrary to your idea, mourning and self-indulgence are not a dichotomy. You can actually experience both at the same time. It is human nature. Because of that you would experience that greed as well. The difference is that I admit it while you hide from it in fear.