Global Warming.

Hi to all,

Leading scientists said on Friday they were more certain than ever before that humans are the main culprits for climate change and predicted the impact from greenhouse gas emissions could linger for centuries.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) said in a report that the current hiatus in warming, when temperatures have risen more slowly despite growing emissions, was a natural variation that would not last.

It said the Earth was set for more heatwaves, floods, droughts and rising sea levels that could swamp coasts and low-lying islands as greenhouse gases built up in the atmosphere.

I would be very interested in hearing the Jedi opinion on this matter.

Thank you,

Jayden
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I think that what we've done to this planet is sad. I have no doubt that all the pollution we've produced is having an adverse effect on us, leading to disease and other health conditions.

However, I'm not convinced that we alone are causing climate change. We haven't been on this planet very long, relatively. We are still learning about the Earth's cycles, and to think that the environment would forever remain nice and comfy for humans is a bit naive, or even arrogant.

It's not our world. We just live here.

Humans have an inherent desire to destroy beauty, peace, and tranquility. It goes against their inherent nature, and nature is a physical manifestation of what humanity opposes.

Even if someone wants to "live among" nature, they often tear down the landscape to build a house, pave a road, and pollute the natural environment through means of noise and refuse. Then, others admire the "natural" way of living, and start flocking to the "natural environment" building other houses. Soon, you have a village, then a town, and eventually a city.

And then, all that's left of nature is a few trees and brushes carefully preserved in the sidewalk within metal gates, that are littered with cigarettes and package wrappers.

Then, sewage is dumped into the water, because that to humans is the most natural place to put their waste; the same system they drink from. Just look at my local lake, Lake Erie if you doubt that this is exactly what humans do.

And then, the world begins to become a new reflection, a reflection of the destructive, chaotic, and harmful nature of the people who treated it's natural state with hostility and disregard.

Global warming isn't a problem to be solved. It is mankind's realization of the world they desire to live in.

We've known, confidently that global warming was man made since the seventies. Politics and intentional misinformation are the only reasons these things were ever in question in recent years and amongst the scientific community, they never were in question. The evidence was too strong.

That said, I don't share Kohadre's pessimistic view of humanity but I do recognize that there are those who will act in their own self interest regardless of the cost to others. We will have to face the repercussions of global warming in our lifetimes and nothing we do now will change that. Even if we managed to take the entire planet carbon neutral this year, we would still see many of these warming trends reach their full negative potential.

So what do we? We adapt, we use our natural gifts of cooperation and technology to save ourselves and, ideally, the rest of nature in our world. We just discovered an enzyme that we can for sure trigger reliably that will, within five years, simulate the health benefits of exercise and good diet, excepting weight management, without requiring either. We're at the edge of making ourselves immortal, through medicine and technology. At the same time we're at the edge of cataclysms which will wipe out humanity if we don't prepare. All we can do is work our best to save our world while at the same time accepting that our world is due for a large upheaval and its coming in the next fifty years.

I suppose I was worried for nothing. Thank you for sharing. May the force be with you. Sleep tight.

Yours amoung the oaks,

Jayden
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I hoped there would be a greater sharing of opinions. Red Lila, I love your post and I fear your opinion is too close for comfort and hopefully not dead on.

Jayden
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Red Lila wrote: We've known, confidently that global warming was man made since the seventies. Politics and intentional misinformation are the only reasons these things were ever in question in recent years and amongst the scientific community, they never were in question. The evidence was too strong.

That said, I don't share Kohadre's pessimistic view of humanity but I do recognize that there are those who will act in their own self interest regardless of the cost to others. We will have to face the repercussions of global warming in our lifetimes and nothing we do now will change that. Even if we managed to take the entire planet carbon neutral this year, we would still see many of these warming trends reach their full negative potential.

So what do we? We adapt, we use our natural gifts of cooperation and technology to save ourselves and, ideally, the rest of nature in our world. We just discovered an enzyme that we can for sure trigger reliably that will, within five years, simulate the health benefits of exercise and good diet, excepting weight management, without requiring either. We're at the edge of making ourselves immortal, through medicine and technology. At the same time we're at the edge of cataclysms which will wipe out humanity if we don't prepare. All we can do is work our best to save our world while at the same time accepting that our world is due for a large upheaval and its coming in the next fifty years.

Your welcome to your view of course Red Lila,

However I am not sure how explaining exactly what humanity has done, and continues to do counts as a pessimistic view.

Kohadre wrote:

Red Lila wrote: We've known, confidently that global warming was man made since the seventies. Politics and intentional misinformation are the only reasons these things were ever in question in recent years and amongst the scientific community, they never were in question. The evidence was too strong.

That said, I don't share Kohadre's pessimistic view of humanity but I do recognize that there are those who will act in their own self interest regardless of the cost to others. We will have to face the repercussions of global warming in our lifetimes and nothing we do now will change that. Even if we managed to take the entire planet carbon neutral this year, we would still see many of these warming trends reach their full negative potential.

So what do we? We adapt, we use our natural gifts of cooperation and technology to save ourselves and, ideally, the rest of nature in our world. We just discovered an enzyme that we can for sure trigger reliably that will, within five years, simulate the health benefits of exercise and good diet, excepting weight management, without requiring either. We're at the edge of making ourselves immortal, through medicine and technology. At the same time we're at the edge of cataclysms which will wipe out humanity if we don't prepare. All we can do is work our best to save our world while at the same time accepting that our world is due for a large upheaval and its coming in the next fifty years.

Your welcome to your view of course Red Lila,

However I am not sure how explaining exactly what humanity has done, and continues to do counts as a pessimistic view.

semantics

like I said in chat, replace the word with indulgence and you'll still get the same basic principle just a different gearing for the destination

Kohadre wrote: Your welcome to your view of course Red Lila,

However I am not sure how explaining exactly what humanity has done, and continues to do counts as a pessimistic view.

I was specifically responding to the statement:

Kohadre wrote: Humans have an inherent desire to destroy beauty, peace, and tranquility. It goes against their inherent nature, and nature is a physical manifestation of what humanity opposes.

The rest I think can be put at the foot of social pressure and modern economic philosophies, not human nature. Attributing to human nature assumes nothing can, nor will, change. I'm unwilling to concede that point.

Climate change is cyclical and natural, however it can also be influenced by outside forces...a meteor impact, volcanic eruption, earthquake induced polar shift...and even life...I'm fairly certain that every ice age in history was not man made...there are periods of heat, then periods of ice....arctic core samples have proven this...

Human curiosity can lead us down one of two paths...that of salvation or that of destruction....which path we travel is determined by the morality of those making the discoveries, and creating the technology...