Who is Rey?

Who do you think Rey is in the story?
Who do you think Rey's parents are?

FYI, this is a spoiler thread.

baru wrote: FYI, this is a spoiler thread.

Warning: Spoiler!

I believe one of two theories:

Either ray is the biological daughter of Shmi Skywalker Lars and Cliegg Lars.

Or she is a clone of Anakin Skywalker.

This is because, I believe that she is not the daughter of Luke. And SW is always the saga of the Skywalker family.

To be truthful, the Star Wars Is more than just the movies. The comics, books and Rebels show are doing exceptionally well, and the Skywalkers are in very little of any of it. Not to mention Rogue one coming out later this month, no Skywalkers known to be in it either...

Couple of theories are She's either related to Obi One or Palpatine, not really partial to either of them. The new trilogy is quickly becoming a crap shoot for myself, the big villain was generalized, the henchman had major mental problems, Massive holes in the story, Max Von Sydow's character was barely even in the film, the humor was overdone and missplaced, and Luke didnt get two words in. Think I like the prequels better...

Zenchi.......Yes. Just....Yes. *bows*

Not to mention of the way Captain Phasma was used, and R2D2 in the corner collecting dust for the majority of the movie. My apologies, time span for editing was up and ive been waiting a year to say that, didn't mean to turn it into a rant lol.

Well, it is a known fact that you "cannot" be reincarnated or fuel the living force, however I heavily believe Plagueis influenced the pregnancy of Shmi. He unwittingly crated the chosen one. The prophecy was never specified though, which means that Anakin technically DID complete the prophecy, at the end of his life. With Maul, Sidious, And Vader dead all in one Era, the prophecy was complete. But- what was unknown to Sidious, therefor unknown to everyone, is the "life" of Darth Plagueis the Wise. If Sidious supposedly killed him 65-79 BBY, and he survived, then who's to say Sidious didn't fail again after beating him on the head with a Saber? Therefor- with the Chosen one "dead", and tons of evidence that Snoke is Plagueis, Anakin never actually completed the Prophecy. Does this mean that Rey could be reincarnation of the Chosen one, meant to meet her maker? If the Force were to grant power unto Plagueis to create the chosen one to end him and his future kin, the Force would never have just thrown away the Prophecy. This means that the Force violated itself in order to truth the Prophecy. Who is Rey? Rey is Anakin-Rey Skywalker. Although: even Plagueis - the living Force in physical form - could not just pop a human into existence... This leaves on mystery. Who is her biological family?

Sky wrote: Well, it is a known fact that you "cannot" be reincarnated or fuel the living force, however I heavily believe Plagueis influenced the pregnancy of Shmi. He unwittingly crated the chosen one. The prophecy was never specified though, which means that Anakin technically DID complete the prophecy, at the end of his life. With Maul, Sidious, And Vader dead all in one Era, the prophecy was complete.

How does one complete the prophesy of bringing "balance" to the force by eradicating half of it? Anakin was not the chosen one, Luke was. He completed the prophesy by having the perfect balance of both the light and dark sides of the force in one.

As for Ray, she is obviously the illigitimate love child of Chewbacca! :silly:

Lucas and Lucas films agree that the main movies - including clone wars - tell the Skywalker story. The other things are not their story. And Darth Vader does show up in Rebels.

I mostly agree with you. I feel that modern story tells have forgotten how to tell a good one anymore. They focus on gimmicks and things verses a complete story

Off-topic

The Balance of the Force.
I refer to The Dark Crystal and Lucas' original philosophy about the Force being composed of two equal sides: light and Dark. He portrays them as "existing" and "having fluency over people" similar to the devil possessing people, "the darkside made me do it". He did this to increase the drama of the story.

Since there were hundreds to thousands of jedi, the lightside was all used up and unbalanced. That is why Yoda's visions no longer worked. That is whey the Darksiders where so much more powerful. There was only two verses thousands (ignoring all of the games, comics, stories and such). After the purge, there were just four: Yoda - emperor, Obi - Vader. When Obi died, the force was again unbalanced until look rose up. Then it was Yoda-emperor, luke - Vader. Doe to the balance neither could defeat each other - they where equal (just like in the dark crystal). For luke to win and to complete the prophacy, Yoda had to die so Luke got his power - his portion of the force yin/yang pie. With that extra "unbalanced" power, Luke defeated both Emperor and Vader (even though he did not do it "directly".

Depending on the version of the story, Luke took on all of the power - light and dark, or he just took on all of the light with a "void" in the dark. So he had to isolate himself to not offset things.

And now Snoke rose up to balance out Luke.

baru wrote: Lucas and Lucas films agree that the main movies - including clone wars - tell the Skywalker story. The other things are not their story. And Darth Vader does show up in Rebels.

Yes, lol, "Vader" is in Rebels, although I dont remember seeing him in the third season yet, however the show is not at all about him...

Yes, the main movies (for the most part) are about the Skywalkers, that is however destined to change imo. Regardless of the future, the Star Wars universe is comprised of more than just the movies, else all that material you so cleverly left out, would not be considered official "canon"...

Rey is Ren's sister, and also Luke's sister!!!! :blink:

Sorry to sound crass, but I reckon Vader raped Leia in the Cloud City, being a Princess and all that, hence why he told Lando to keep her in the City (didn't want to misplace another mother like with Padme), and why Luke had so much time to complete his Jedi training before rescuing Solo. I mean... how hard would it have been to find out it was Jabba who had Solo - not very. Certainly Chewie knew of the debt, and scum leak, its what makes em scum. So Leia, hanging out with Luke on the medical frigate at the end of ESB for some reason (hint hint) eventually popped out the bub, whence it was sent off to another safe family away from the Empire and poor Solo was kept in the dark the whole time.... but now he is dead, the secret is no longer needed and those in the know can act on it.

So that explains why Ren was having a hard time... it was his sister and he knew something was different but couldn't understand what, and her being the product of two Jedi (albeit father and daughter) means she might be naturally much more powerful then Ren. If one were to consider that Luke needed a few years to train up between ESB and ROTJ, then it even better matches the age of a young Rey when she was dropped off at Jakku. Which makes it interesting to consider how the Falcon ended up on Jakku. Put everything you don't want Solo to find on the one place and you only have to keep him away from one place. I blame Leia, but she had her own reasons. To me the imbalance in the Force is lies, and this particular imbalance created the opportunity for Snoke to weasel its way into peoples inherent awareness of order and disorder, being some disorder. Manipulation of that underlying confusion breeds fear, and fear leads to etc etc the dark side.

Hehe, I just made that up though :lol:

Adder wrote: Rey is Ren's sister, and also Luke's sister!!!! :blink:

Sorry to sound crass, but I reckon Vader raped Leia in the Cloud City, being a Princess and all that, hence why he told Lando to keep her in the City (didn't want to misplace another mother like with Padme), and why Luke had so much time to complete his Jedi training before rescuing Solo. I mean... how hard would it have been to find out it was Jabba who had Solo - not very. Certainly Chewie knew of the debt, and scum leak, its what makes em scum. So Leia, hanging out with Luke on the medical frigate at the end of ESB for some reason (hint hint) eventually popped out the bub, whence it was sent off to another safe family away from the Empire and poor Solo was kept in the dark the whole time.... but now he is dead, the secret is no longer needed and those in the know can act on it.

So that explains why Ren was having a hard time... it was his sister and he knew something was different but couldn't understand what, and her being the product of two Jedi (albeit father and daughter) means she might be naturally much more powerful then Ren. If one were to consider that Luke needed a few years to train up between ESB and ROTJ, then it even better matches the age of a young Ren when she was dropped off at Jakku. Which makes it interesting to consider how the Falcon ended up on Jakku. Put everything you don't want Solo to find on the one place and you only have to keep him away from one place. I blame Leia, but she had her own reasons. To me the imbalance in the Force is lies, and this particular imbalance created the opportunity for Snoke to weasel its way into peoples inherent awareness of order and disorder, being some disorder. Manipulation of that underlying confusion breeds fear, and fear leads to etc etc the dark side.

Hehe, I just made that up though :lol:

So.... whatcha smoking? Will ya share?

Avalonslight wrote:

Adder wrote: Rey is Ren's sister, and also Luke's sister!!!! :blink:

Sorry to sound crass, but I reckon Vader raped Leia in the Cloud City, being a Princess and all that, hence why he told Lando to keep her in the City (didn't want to misplace another mother like with Padme), and why Luke had so much time to complete his Jedi training before rescuing Solo. I mean... how hard would it have been to find out it was Jabba who had Solo - not very. Certainly Chewie knew of the debt, and scum leak, its what makes em scum. So Leia, hanging out with Luke on the medical frigate at the end of ESB for some reason (hint hint) eventually popped out the bub, whence it was sent off to another safe family away from the Empire and poor Solo was kept in the dark the whole time.... but now he is dead, the secret is no longer needed and those in the know can act on it.

So that explains why Ren was having a hard time... it was his sister and he knew something was different but couldn't understand what, and her being the product of two Jedi (albeit father and daughter) means she might be naturally much more powerful then Ren. If one were to consider that Luke needed a few years to train up between ESB and ROTJ, then it even better matches the age of a young Ren when she was dropped off at Jakku. Which makes it interesting to consider how the Falcon ended up on Jakku. Put everything you don't want Solo to find on the one place and you only have to keep him away from one place. I blame Leia, but she had her own reasons. To me the imbalance in the Force is lies, and this particular imbalance created the opportunity for Snoke to weasel its way into peoples inherent awareness of order and disorder, being some disorder. Manipulation of that underlying confusion breeds fear, and fear leads to etc etc the dark side.

Hehe, I just made that up though :lol:

So.... whatcha smoking? Will ya share?

No that actually makes a lot of sense, except the vader rape part lol. It was Leia and Hans child, a twin of Kylo but they hid one of the twins because of some new prophesy or something we dont know about yet. Its a repeat of Luke and Leia and they knew all the time that Kylo would go bad and ray was their only new hope. Luke has been waiting for Ray to come to him at the right time so she can bring the new balance to the force be defeating her twin brother or bringing him back to the light.

Hehe. I agree with you, but at the same time, I think Luke was just kind of the derp who washer into the wrong generation. And that's why Rey is a exist. We still got Plagueis going around impregnating people

I read their goal is to get away from skywalker. Its a limited story. The skywalker store is a line that all the other stories will connect to or relate to.

They pan to make moves for the next 20 years, release 40 new comic book titles, netflix shows, games, novels and more. Disney is keeping the flame alive, as long as there is money in it. I bet we will see new version and reboots every 20 years - for each new generation.

No no no

Anakin is Darth Sidious son , Luke and Leia are Anakins children , Leia fell in love with that good for nothing Solo who cheated on her with Obi Ones daughter who was sad that Luke did not want to commit to her ,,she then turned to the dark side and ...

baru wrote: I read their goal is to get away from skywalker. Its a limited story. The skywalker store is a line that all the other stories will connect to or relate to.

I might believe that if there weren't thousands and thousands of years already mentioned before the age that was presented within the movies. Darth Bane is now Canon. They going to find a way to force a Skywalker in that storyline? I doubt it. Sooner or later the story's bound to splinter off and it's not going to have anything to do with the Skywalkers.

Yes, it originated with the Skywalkers, it doesn't necessarily translate to the entire story surrounding them. That move would severely limit themselves considering all the material they had to draw from...

do you mean darth Plagius?
And it was the force that impregnated Shmi.