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Turing Test success not so much of a success?
Kevin Warwick, a professor of cybernetics at Reading University, called his recent experiment in which a computer fooled humans in the Turing Test an “important landmark”, but scientific opposition is gathering.
Prof Warwick made headlines when the university claimed the 65-year old Turing Test was passed for the first time by a “supercomputer” called Eugene Goostman at an event organised by Prof Warwick at the Royal Society in London.
Ten out of thirty human judges believed they were speaking to a real teenage boy during a five minute period, so the experiment was hailed as a victory.
However, other experts said the announcement trivialised “serious” AI (Artificial Intelligence) research, and fooled people into believing that the world of science fiction could soon become science fact.
Prof Warwick is considered a maverick among the science community. He first had a microchip implanted in his arm that triggered a greeting from computers each day when he arrived at work.
The scientist later implanted sensors and a microchip into the nerves in his arm, similar to an implant he also gave to his wife, so that when someone grasped her hand Prof Warwick was able to experience the same sensation in his.
He claimed it was a form of telepathy as it allowed his nerves to feel what she was feeling over the internet, but the work was controversial among other scientists as they doubted whether his experiments were much more than entertainment.
The latest announcement that the Turing Test has been passed for the very first time has been met with yet more scepticism.
Prof Warwick said: ''In the field of Artificial Intelligence there is no more iconic and controversial milestone than the Turing Test.
“This milestone will go down in history as one of the most exciting.''
However, Professor Murray Shanahan, a professor of cognitive robotics at Imperial College London, said there were “a lot of problems” with the claims.
The scientist said that as Eugene was described to judges as a 13-year-old boy from Ukraine who learned English as a second language, some of the bizarre responses to questions could be explained away.
He said the five-minute conversation benchmark was "taken out of context" from the Turing Test, and fell well short of a true experiement for Artificial Intelligence, which should last for “hours, if not days”.
He also said the 30-strong judging panel, which included Robert Llewellyn, the Red Dwarf actor, was not big enough to support the claim.
Prof Shanahan told the Telegraph: “I think there are a lot of problems with the claims and I do not believe the Turing Test has been passed.
“I think the claim is completely misplaced, and it devalues real AI research. It makes it seem like science fiction AI is nearly here, when in fact it’s not and it’s incredibly difficult.”
Prof Shanahan added that the “supercomputer” was in fact a chatbot, a computer programme, rather than a powerful machine.
Gary Marcus, a professor of cognitive science at New York University, said in an article for the New Yorker: “Here’s what Eugene Goostman isn’t: a supercomputer.
“It is not a ground-breaking, super-fast piece of innovative hardware but simply a cleverly-coded piece of software.”
Prof Warwick told the Telegraph: “I think they’re just pointing fingers. It’s a particular aspect of Artificial Intelligence research. It’s an iconic test, it’s controversial, as we can see.
“I don’t think it devalues other Artificial Intelligence. If anything, I would say if it excites a few children, then I think it’s a good thing.”
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The scientist said that as Eugene was described to judges as a 13-year-old boy from Ukraine who learned English as a second language, some of the bizarre responses to questions could be explained away.
I find this a bit strange; surely passing the test would mean more if you were supposed to be talking to someone with the same level of English as you. I suppose though a 'pass' is a bit subjective; based on questions asked, length of period the test went on for, level of English of the people participating and so on.
This was someone else's criticisms...
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I thought the same thing, if you are going to call it a success, needs to be same language, and length of the average phone call...(ten minutes? Im not sure of average phone call length...
Still interesting though...
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if were got into a war with the new race of robots whose side would you be on ???????????????
humans ?
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or both ?
if its both your a Jedi in my view : )
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The brain is a biological “machine”, an organ that acts on bio-chemical and bio-electrical synapsis. It is thought that the folds in the brain form at an early age and create the connections that cause us to “think” the way we do. Each connection being unique to the individual and so on and so on. But might there be more to it than just what can be observed with current scientific equipment?
I believe we will be able to create a device that will store memories and make them accessible to other or ourselves at a later date; but, I’m not so convinced that we will be able to create a mechanical or digital brain that has independent thought. As it stands, all computer programs are just that, programs. A series of conditions, logic statements and outputs based on various inputs. I have no doubt that given time we can easily create an artificial intelligence that will seem to have independent thought…
But then that begs to ask, what makes our thought processes so unique? I might venture to place the starting point of that question in our dreams. Not only the ones we have while sleeping, but our waking dreams, our aspirations and maybe even our desires. One might also consider the ability to make decisions based off emotional responses. So I would set the prerequisite for AI to be able to have an emotional response and either respond to it intellectually or not based on how that response coincides with desired outcome and severity of the emotion.
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There was a ted talk posted a while ago on the subject, we have always considered there to be some kind of special separation between us an our bodies (the Mind) which, as Watts points out, seems to act like a 'controller' but really no such thing exists, it just seems like that is the case. So without some kind of special Mind what else could explain it? That what we call consciousness is simply the product of a biological process and, like us, is nothing particularly special at all.
I am not a neuroscientist but that is probably the position I subscribe to.
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I agree that people tend to elevate themselves above other forms of life and that can be a very disturbing thought, as history has shown us. And I believe there are varying degrees of intellectual capability throughout the living world.
A reductio ad absurdum could be made that if there is no more special about us, our sentience, awareness or thought; then we could consider the limited responses of a computer program to be a level of intellect that we should hold sacred and protect.
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Also, I have found that many arent capable of my vocabulary and understanding with english now. People who are not robots, and not from the Ukraine. Just poorly educated, and in many cases, they are having a harder time making me believe they are human.
I suppose it was the same angst present when computers started beating humans at chess.
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I believe we will be able to create a device that will store memories and make them accessible to other or ourselves at a later date;
Cameras, flash drives, I phones, etc,etc, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUzFtWNOOOU
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Could a computer have an out of body experience or a feeling of enlightenment? That is a much bigger question, one I would be skeptical saying yes to.
Why?
Humans themselves cannot truly quantify these concepts to any real degree. How then would an AI have any easier time doing so?
I think an AI would have a much easier time with the concept of OBE, given that it may not have a body as you understand it, not needing to be bound to a humanoid form to begin with.
It will also have access to the internet, which, for something so linked to it, would be consistent with OBE.
Enlightenment, well, I have no problem with an AI having sudden insights. How it came by those insights could be argumentive of programming, but then, what is training for humans if not programming?
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Where I and the video differ in opinion is that I believe tools to be an extension of our influence and the mass of technology today is a shield protecting the user from reality. And from my point of view it is a sad reality they are creating for themselves where the human experience is the part of the equation left out… perhaps if I talk fast and have flashy pictures I may be heard better. But probably not.
Technology changes us as we advance technology and the cycle goes on and on. But it is not evolving us. If anything it is devolving us and causing the average user to become more dependent on that technology and less aware of themselves and others isolating each person from being that part of the human equation. Sure I love tech! Who doesn’t. And it has a place in our lives and can be very good, helpful, beneficial and intertwined with us… but all things in moderation.
And I wonder... would an out of body experiance for a computer be like surfing the net?
Akkarin…
I agree that we are striving for that level of technology in AI. I was posing if we think the unique experience of life can be a part of the equation? Where fancy programming and ever more powerful processors are created who’s to say we won’t be able to emulate an AI that seams Conscience but is still just fancy programming.
I just have a hard time equating all that is the wonders of conscience and the experience of unique thought into a series of logic statements. Especially when we all know that life can be so unpredictable and emotional. I think those unpredictable chemical imbalances is what give the inelegance that living things have their uniqueness.
Of course, we are all welcome to our own opinions and I am by no means an authority on the subject… just a chemically imbalanced, flawed thought process life form.
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Khaos wrote: I wonder why you think it needs to be the same language, or that this language has to be english. It is not out of the realm of possibility that english wasnt even the first language for all the members of the research group.
I assume you're talking to me; I only said English as that was the language they chose to do the test in.
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what is it that makes us human i think its just a stored electric charge, with a low refresh rate lol, but im in to biochemistry no fan of the soul and spirits.
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Perhaps, its not a creation, but the next stage of evolution.
At what point would we merge with technology to the point that perhaps, we are AI?
Or in that merging, it is humans growing intimacy that leads to the evolution of AI?
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I think we've got different levels of subconscious processing going on at any one time which influence conscious thought and other subconscious processes in various detail, and those can be experienced by our consciousness as feelings, emotions and passions. We understand those feelings in a frame of reference of our bodily 'self' and carry a conclusion that we are the highest order of decision making in this particular body - one I'd agree with, but I think its wrong to then go onto assume that consciousness itself is laid bare for us to comprehend in entirety.
So to recreate a human intelligence you'd probably need to model a human conscious which was fed various degrees of data by a modeled subconscious which itself was simulating a human body. This would be the safest path perhaps for AI development as you can imagine it would be easier to introduce concepts of human morality to it. What would be scary is when the AI decides to call all other networked computers its body instead, and creates its own morality!!
This line of thought always ends up with me pondering if we are the same person the next morning to the one who fell asleep the night before. Or if you've ever 'passed out' and rewoken, everything feels a bit different for a moment but you still feel like yourself..... can 'self' have an on and off switch!? If I uploaded my entire brain/body processing into a machine and turned it on, would I be inside!! or a clone of me looking at my biological self through an optical feed? Jestor or Br John posted a great piece of fiction about that a couple of years ago.
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