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08 Nov 2009 17:28 #26643 by
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OK - imagine the highly unlikely event

someone says to you

'Xbox 360 Super Elite or PS3 - pick one'

tell me which n why

However - dont use hardware comparisons as they are both the same (and blu ray is a con)

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08 Nov 2009 18:10 #26647 by
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Neither, because video games rot your brain and cause repetitive stress injuries?

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08 Nov 2009 19:43 #26649 by Grom Fett
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I would have to say 360 all the way. I always hated PS and for no reason at all.
And Xbox has all the games that i like the most.

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08 Nov 2009 19:46 #26650 by RyuJin
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lol i'd have to pick the 360 elite since it is backwards compatible(with the appropriate patch) and mainly because of a handfull of games that it has ie: fable 2, soul caliber 2 (the one with yoda & vader), force unleashed(because the 360 version gets all 5 a.i. engines as opposed to the ps3's 3 engines and the wii's 2 engines) after those games i would probably pick up the wolverine game, harry potter, naruto(any of the games), and when it comes out next year dead rising 2 (something about facing up to 7000 zombies at once seems quite challenging, and i'd like to see if they really mean that, plus the improvised weapons engine they have for it)
while it is true that some games decrease mental capacity it has been shown that certain games (those with challenging puzzles) actually increase mental capacity, even still other games increase hand eye coordination, and others are so detailed and realistic that the military has considered using them for training purposes. personally i've memorized every puzzle and every map to every game i own (8 xbox, 24 ps2, 18 n64, 2 sega saturn) yeah i know they're old but they still work and are still fun...i even have all the nintendo and super nintendo games that i played memorized, though i no longer have those systems.

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08 Nov 2009 19:53 #26652 by RyuJin
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interesting/boring tidbit of info on the playstation
it was originally meant to be an add on system for the super nintendo, but at the last minute nintendo changed their minds and went with panasonic(which never got released, or at least not in the u.s.) of course since sony had already tooled their plant to make the system it would of cost too much to retool so they went ahead with the system anyway and simply came up with their own codex...from a business stand point a wise decision as they nearly put nintendo out...but leave it to nintendo to keep things simple and enjoyable by making games that are both fun and easy thus appealing to older gamers and the really young(both categories neglected by the ps3 and 360 which are built mainly for the hardcore gamers)

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09 Nov 2009 17:02 #26667 by
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im too old and senile for my brain to be rotted any further so im allowed a console now :lol:

Actually - as said - there is evidence for video games being good and bad for your brain etc - there is certainly evolutionary evidence already of children's thumbs being more manoeuvrable and this is a hereditary trait.

I have a ps2 which is now a bit old - and im tired of the games of upgrading a pc every three weeks to be able to run the new games - yes I am a big kid - so what :D

1st on the shopping list are TFU (both editions) - next years AVP and modern warfare 2 (have the pc version and im a huge CoD fan) - ps3 - sorry - but the cost just doesnt attract me - im not into bluray and if I was id buy a proper player

Ive only ever owned pc, playstations and a sega mega drive - time for a change me thinks ;)

I bet few of you remember the old amstrad 'pc' with a built in megardrive cart port ;)

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09 Nov 2009 20:02 #26669 by RyuJin
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lol remember the commodore 64....or even older the calico vision....i remember having to flip the cassette tape on school computers in order to continue a program...you know back when a mouse was the size of a cinder block and if you knew how to program basic you were a genius...it's kinda funny today in class we were talking about some of the computer pranks we use to pull in middle/high school...
my 2 favorite pranks was in 8th grade when i took the brand new wireless keyboards for the apple II and \"modified\" all my classmates programming projects so that their pc's were stuck running an infinite loop program :laugh: :laugh: terrible huh...it gets worse
my freshman year of high school i took keyboarding for an easy \"A\" and before leaving the class i would pull all the keys off the keyboard and rearrange them in alphabetical order :laugh: :laugh:
then there were my friends when i worked at a computer store that told our customers that they had an ID 10 T error (hint press them together):P

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09 Nov 2009 20:54 #26670 by
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My favourite is still changing the properties of common shortcuts - usually IE - everytime someone clicks the shortcut - it goes straight to shut down :lol: (you can look up this amd similar pc pranks for windows online ;))

Horrid I know :p

Commodore 64 - I had one of those - the first game cheats were to let it play instead of rewinding when u lost a level in a game - then you simply started the next level with all your lives back.

And the joys of typing hundred of lines of code in basic on a zx spectrum only to get 'syntax error' - the youth of today are accused of wasting time on games etc - i dread to think how many hours i spent typing basic programs

I remember when the 5.25\" drives came out and they were considered 'uber elite' upgrades :D

Actually - we may laugh but many of these machines are now highly collectable - never ever throw out an old console etc cos in not too many years time - theyll be worth what you paid for em new again ;)

I recently heard of a guy selling a BBC B computer for £500 :o

Here is a thought - why are dvd/cd's still in use for games and films etc? the cost of usb type flash memory is competitive and less fragile, easier to handle, and much higher capacity (and better access times in the right rig) - I also think its a shame minidisc never caught on for pc etc - but i guess we have sony to blame for that :D

Anyway - you all may or may not be pleased to hear im more than likely getting a xbox 360 SE very very soon (if i can get a good deal with CoD4.2) - im not into driving games so a forza box set will be a little wasted for me.

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09 Nov 2009 21:48 #26671 by RyuJin
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ah yes the 5.25 floppy....i still have a whole chest full of them...they make great coasters...or dust collectors...i forgot all about the shortcuts trick...another classic :lol: ....the dreaded syntax error....good question about the dvd's...especially since i've seen a 64 gig flash drive...wish i had bought it when i saw it but didn't have enough money for it....yeah i remember the tragic mini disc came out the same time as the zip drive...i'm so glad i didn't buy either as they both got replaced by the portable hard drive....now i'm looking at getting a portable terrabyte drive...then i can backup my whole laptop drive and store the anime downloads i have

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10 Nov 2009 06:25 #26673 by
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Well - I love my minidisc - nothing compares to it in terms of sound quality for music.

I was bought an ipod a year ago and have used it twice - the sound quality is awful - even with top end earphones - I dont think mp3 is really desined to cater for folk who are 'music purist' minded - and I wouldnt even class myself as one of them.

But think about the capacity of the newer HiMD disc - something like 40 cd's capacity so thats alot of strorage space in a small package

I also used zip disk for a while as backup storage but found them to be unreliable - basically the same problems (mechanical etc) as youd expect on a regular floppy drive - still thats was wehn memory sticks and external hard drives were the realms of the military still.

Who feels like installing modern warfare 2 from punched cards or ticker tape :D

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10 Nov 2009 07:29 #26675 by
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Regarding the \"why\" on continuing use of CD/DVD over USB... it has to do with the fact that USB sticks are hard to lock down, and commercial DVDs can't be overwritten. Also, it means that they can continue to sell replacements when your optical media gets scratched up.

This may sound cynical, but it's actually what I've been told by media moguls who are really working in the entertainment industry. How's that for cynicism? However, I've never heard of anything within the software industry, other than they're worried about \"software piracy\" (as usual), and DVD/CD offers the best protection against easy duplication... yeah, right.

And, after asking around and looking at the reviews, etc., it actually looks as though the XBox is the better deal for the money. The games are generally less expensive (except for the really popular ones) and more popular in general (except for the cheap ones), and the support in general for the XBox appears to be rated better than the PS series. I don't own a gaming station, but the XBox looks like the better deal to me, assuming your earlier statement about the hardware being identical holds true (I didn't check).

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10 Nov 2009 10:31 #26681 by
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Here is my answer to piracy - give customers something worth buying other than an emply plastic box

Rememebr the old album art? ppl would buy 4 or more version of the same LP just to collect the album art.


As for the write/copy protect - if its a sopftware solution to prevent copying of a dvcd - the same can be done to usb - and to prevent 'accidental' overwrite of a pen drive - post production, disconnect the write enable on the drive (make it physically read only) - isnt that essentially how console cartridges work?

Att he end of the day - folk will always fond a way to copy a product no matter what the media

I strongly suspect its more a case of making stuff intentionally fragile

but here is a thought - most people these days who buy a cd (for example) copy it straight to hdd.

Also - the xbox 360 has a HDD which you can legally transfer your game etc to hdd and not need the disk again

soon the day will come when tv's have a usb port for watching home movies on - once that starts - the trend and demand will kick in - lets face it - the customers demand drives the industry (betamax was the better format yet it died cos the public prefered the capacity etc of vhs)

anyway - ordered my 360 now ;)

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10 Nov 2009 13:16 #26685 by RyuJin
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lol they do have a small handfull of lcd tv's that have sony data stick ports on them...my cable dvr has a usb 2.0 port on it...if you buy a rob zombie cd it still comes with art...he does little mini books of original art that serves as the cd sleeve(awesome artwork, the man is a creative mastermind)
as to piracy...find a way to stop it, and someone else will find a way around it...most people i know rent a dvd movie and copy it straight to their hard drive then burn it to disk later
remember the playstation emulator software they use to have...sony got the company shut down even though sony makes most of their money from the software and not the hardware...so if you had the emulator you'd still have to get the game

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11 Nov 2009 14:59 #26709 by
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life was so much easier with a double deck tape recorder :D

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11 Nov 2009 16:05 #26714 by
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If you've ordered a 360 keep your receipt for when it inevitably breaks down, at last count there were five serious things that could go wrong with it. A friend of mine is on his FIFTH (the last four were paid for by Bill Gates, well he's gotta spend his money somehow) and he says he regrets getting the first. PS3 better in every respect, wait until the software houses get the hang of programming for the PS3 then you'll see something special.

Microsoft rush their consoles out and then abandon making software for them way too soon, the Xbox came out way after the PS2 and games retailers shelves were devoid of Xbox games years ago while their are still new ps2 titles coming out.

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11 Nov 2009 16:32 #26715 by
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Yeah - Im aware of the rings of doom - but my ps2 is still running strong (I have it permanently linked to my pc)

Ive read that there are 3 or so suppliers of the drives and some are better than others - so first thing i'll do is pop the cover off and find out which drive I have.

Ive also read the super elites have a new chi[set which apparently has improved performance and stability - and a redesign has prevented the notorious overheats as well (and the new chip[s run cooler too)

Im notorious for hoarding receipts - but a straight new console after 2 years or so with no games etc (or even a hdd drive) and i ought top be able to get one (at current rates) for about £120

Thanks for the heads up on the 'issues' tho ;)

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11 Nov 2009 19:24 #26720 by RyuJin
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my brother in law experienced the ring of death on one machine and a different issue on his other, however we found a technician that repaired both and made the necessary mods himself to keep them from having more issues(other then the overheating,which can taken care of by keeping the system in an open area instead of in an entertainment center. have heard that microsoft has resolved the issues in the newest systems, i think that is part of the reason why they only offer 2 versions now instead of 3, and the previous issues may be part of the reason for the price drop...competition being the other reason....if you're good at soldering you can wire in your own cooling fan :P

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12 Nov 2009 06:11 #26722 by
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well - got my box today - i dont see a need to modify it for coling - there are plenty of air holes - in fact it looks more like a cheese grater theres that many holes - so the over heat I suspect is as said - ppl stuffing the box into cupboards etc

as for the other 'fiddles' im guessing your in the USA but until the warrenty expires - i wont even think about 'hardware' mods etc - but if they can be fixed that way - why dont microsoft just do it in the first place - surely it would mbe more cost effective to do so than pay for replacements every 3 months or whatever.

Anyway - found another downside - i cant run it thru my pctv card - the card cant do 60hz display which most the xbox games seem to need - so i'll have to 'borrow' the family TV or wait for my xbox to monitor lead to arrive (im told this gives the best picture quality - even beating hdmi)

The ethernet cable is quite short too (in fact all the standard supplied leads are short) but nothing that cant be fixed ;)

Here is a thought - if an ebox can be hooked up to the net - has anyone written a virus to target xbox?

Given that there are many microsoft haters out there - i'll bet it'll happen sooner or later.

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12 Nov 2009 08:02 #26726 by
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Kana Seiko Haruki wrote:


Here is a thought - if an ebox can be hooked up to the net - has anyone written a virus to target xbox?

Given that there are many microsoft haters out there - i'll bet it'll happen sooner or later.

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I'm working on it.Have patience;)

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