Jedi do not smoke.

It' not about just abstaining from cigarettes for me.

It' psychological adaptation to the world, as it happens now.

Epilogue

In principal, my attempt failed. I shall wait and rebuild myself at least a year before the next attempt. My show closes until then and I challenge you to best me.

To stop smoking, as I believe a Jedi must, I need to become much happier, and it's a marathon, not a sprint.

Thank you, everybody. Sad I was not able to meet our shared expectations for now. That was a good experience to build on.

Ah, you stumbled, so you are going to 'lay there' for a year?

Get back up later?



( a little tough love, thats me.. ..)

den385 wrote: Epilogue

In principal, my attempt failed. I shall wait and rebuild myself at least a year before the next attempt. My show closes until then and I challenge you to best me.

To stop smoking, as I believe a Jedi must, I need to become much happier, and it's a marathon, not a sprint.

Thank you, everybody. Sad I was not able to meet our shared expectations for now. That was a good experience to build on.

I have never understood such an "all or nothing" mentality.

People start diets, or some other exercise in discipline and then at the first time of missing the mark, they will take the rest of the week, month, or year off.

It is a marathon, not a sprint, but happiness is really not the thing you need to be disciplined, in fact, perhaps more unhappiness with your inability to commit would be more beneficial.

Any exercise in discipline is about consistency, if you mess up one day, you get after it the next.

A year is but an excuse to keep up your bad habit.

Your making a habit of giving up alright, just reinforced and rewarded in your negative choices.

You always get better at what you choose to do, or not do.

I wonder....Are you also giving up being a Jedi for a year? I mean, Jedi dont smoke, but for at least another year, you are...

Better to be a Jedi who is struggling to stay committed to the path, rather than a smoker who is is dedicated only to reinforcing lung damage.

Just look at the numbers. A month not smoking( maybe a by more than month?) vs a year of, not including the years you already have.

Cant really raise the bar and offer a challenge when you have chosen to lay it on the ground and walk the other way.

If someone were to have the same response to another unhealthy behavior, lets say weight loss as an example. If they had a bad weekend and ate way to much for whatever reason. If they were to say "i'll try again in a year". They would never lose the extra weight. Every day you wait to try again is another day you are damaging your body. You only get one so do what you can. As they say "it only takes one grain of rice to tip the scale". You never know when that next cigarette seals your odds getting lung cancer (or any of the other things smoking causes). If you don't have enough strength to stop for yourself, stop for your family and friends.
My mother smoked since before I was born and was diagnosed with lung cancer at the end of last year. Trust me it is extremely painful to watch someone suffer those treatments and their after effects.

Yep, I'm gonna "lay and do nothing for a year". My schedule for doing nothing is very busy and leaves very little chance to depression and smoking both in a year.

You are an addict , addicts make excuses to stay addicts , nothing will have changed next year , you only smoked another year longer to be at this exact point ... sow ... whats it gonna be big boy...you know you can do it , 21 days you did not smoke , thats awesome , remember that your mind will try to make you think you need sigarettes , you dont, you need to remember 21 days of not needing that shait :woohoo:

This one is for you , to put you over the edge haha, dont let them down

I just wanted to throw in my support here. I just saw this thread and read through the whole thing, beginning to end, today. I was very excited as I got closer to today's posts, and then I saw the result. I was heartbroken, and I don't even know you

I think I was most heartbroken to see your "failure" as a "result". There's no such thing as failure. There's a mistake. I also saw a whole bunch of off-topic conversation that is now being brought back on-topic. It was a discussion about people telling others what a Jedi is and isn't, and telling others how to be a Jedi. And it was decided in that discussion that the "Jedi do not smoke" maxim isn't about how others should be a Jedi. It's about how YOU view yourself as a Jedi. And so, with that, I posit that if you smoke, you are not a Jedi.

Jedi are fearless. If they give into fear for a moment, then they are Jedi who made a mistake. If they submit to fear and live in it, then they are no longer Jedi.

If a Jedi is smokeless, but smokes, then he is a Jedi who made a mistake. If a Jedi submits to smoking as a renewed habit, then he is no longer a Jedi.

Even if you make the mistake on a weekly, or even daily basis, you are still a Jedi who makes mistakes. It's not about the "result". It's about the state of mind and the commitment. If you fail every single day but remain committed, then you are a Jedi doing your best. Are you a Jedi?

Like I said, I read through this thread all in one sitting. I was inspired. Jedi inspire others, and you did that. Even when you posted about slipping, I was still inspired. I was still right there beside you. Please, don't give up!

Thx, Marta, but you do not know the context.

If I'm gonna fail, I'll at least know that I did it my way.

Imagine that smoking is less then 10% of the overall health problem I fight every day. And it is not the loose end to start from it.

Eventually, smoking will leave.

Yeah, I'm addict But my true addiction is Jedi way. Let the fittest survive. j-D

I know , i was just showing some tough love , i really hope you can resolve your issues and i see that smoking is symptom , good luck Jedi especially with your health problems be physical or mentally

What if quitting cigarettes, and therefore thinking a tiny bit more highly of yourself, is a small step towards being happier?

I say that as both someone who has beaten major addiction, and who admittedly now smokes. When it comes to giving something up, there's always a reason not to, always a better time. Except there isn't - there's now, or that endless vista called "some other time".

Whatever you choose, you are 21 days better off than you would have been

I take the "21 day off" option for now. j-D

Smoking is tied to a different front and I'll go there now.

Thanks everybody! Your tough love gets extra kudos!

@AveryR1988
@Jutus
@Khaos

I am sorry that I let you down.

I'm not a Jedi, then, until I prove otherwise - not because of this health challenge, but because I've set a bad example.

den385 wrote: @AveryR1988
@Jutus
@Khaos

I am sorry that I let you down.

I'm not a Jedi, then, until I prove otherwise - not because of this health challenge, but because I've set a bad example.

It is a hard battle and I have seen many fight it. Some win and some lose. All anyone can ask for is your best. learning to go without such a defining thing as smoking, is like learning to walk. It is normal to stumble. But not trying again is worse. If you ever try to stop smoking again, no matter how long it takes... then this is just a stumble. The more it hurts and the harder it is, shows how strong you are to endure it. Even a failed attempt is still an attempt and thus a good example in my opinion. But that opinion comes with the stipulation that you find the strength to continue fighting this battle. We know it takes time for someone to recover from a fall. So while we might be hard on you please keep in mind that we are not heartless and judging you... just trying to help you find the motivation to continue this fight.

We really do care.

den385 wrote: @AveryR1988
@Jutus
@Khaos

I am sorry that I let you down.

I'm not a Jedi, then, until I prove otherwise - not because of this health challenge, but because I've set a bad example.

I will be clicking subscribe on this thread. I saw your journey (though only glimpses) and know that you are not weak. You will get back to this struggle. I hope you don't wait a full year. And, as was stated before, it's not for me to say if you are or aren't Jedi. That's between you and The Force. I hope you are able to tackle this again. Even if it's only for a day. That's still an entire day of success! May the Force be with you!

An example has been set.

I've PM-ed Jestor to delete my account. I've left Jedi meditation group at insight timer app.

From now on and until I am ready to reforge my oath, I leave the Order, and lay down the name Jedi concerning myself in any context. That is the only honorable thing to do right now.

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My idea is if we treat our oaths lightly and allow such things go without consequences, we take the stones from our Temple and we destroy our own spirit.

Let this thread exemplify responsibility of a Jedi and the meaning of the oath.

I am new to the forum and on that perhaps my words carry no weight, none the less I offer them for your consideration -

I don't see self imposed exile as a solution to anything.

By removing yourself from values and a community you hold relevant to yourself, you are removing yourself from the burden of failing them.

Forgive the masculine, I'm not interested in ruining a quote for the sake of fashionable terms of address and gender roles -

The Marlboro Man wrote: "If you lose, stand up straight and tall, and walk like a man."

den385 wrote: An example has been set.

I've PM-ed Jestor to delete my account. I've left Jedi meditation group at insight timer app.

From now on and until I am ready to reforge my oath, I leave the Order, and lay down the name Jedi concerning myself in any context. That is the only honorable thing to do right now.

I will participate at forum as a guest and I'm available at
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My idea is if we treat our oaths lightly and allow such things go without consequences, we take the stones from our Temple and we destroy our own spirit.

Let this thread exemplify responsibility of a Jedi and the meaning of the oath.

holy crap i cant believe i didnt see this until now

den you goof! a jedi isnt someone who always accomplishes a goal the first time they set out to accomplish it, a jedi is someone who keeps going even when they have been knocked down

success is the thing that happens after pushing through a thousand failures

im just going to be straight up buddy, you ran with the wrong part of the message! (let this be a lesson to those who want to motivate others also)

i appreciate this gesture youre making here, but this isnt the kind of commitment we need in Jedi

youre choosing to die here, in a way

you could choose to live
living is harder - we have to eat our words sometimes, we have to face public failure, and much much worse: sometimes we lose EVERYTHING

but these things temper us, like steel in the forge

choosing to die is what we do any time we feel overwhelmed and decide that we have been defeated

choosing to live means choosing to keep going even when we feel like we are failing

there are times when theres just nothing in the tank, or where we really have no control or options - what we do in these times is SURVIVE and ENDURE, even though we cant conquer AT THE MOMENT

it seems like youre choosing to die, rather than to live, or even to just survive/endure

now, obviously if you really think this is the right thing to do, then you have to do it, but whenever you decide that its ok to not be perfect, and that the right thing to do next is to get back up, hold your head high, and start back in the forward direction, let it be ok to do that! (hint: RIGHT NOW would be good)

you are an important part of this community; be an example NOW, and represent JEDI by not running away

Den and I are still talking...

He has decided to just take a sabbatical, and has not left for good, if I understand right...

Time will tell...

Failing and then "taking time off" from trying by continuing the addict behavior is actively training yourself to fail over and over. If you really wanted to quit you'd get up and do it again immediately.

Losing one fight doesn't lose the war unless you decide it does. If I'm disappointed in anything, it's that you ran away the first time there was a snag.

Come back. Do it again. Now.