Best martial art?

Aqua wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

As someone not all that familiar with archery, i really enjoyed that video when i saw it. A certain member who i am guessing is bein tactful here brought to my attention awhile back that many in the archery community were quite put off by the claims lars anderson made and the way he marketed himself. Im not actually taking sides but i thought it worth mentioning because, well gossip i guess, or informed consent or something lol.
I'll leave it at that and you can learn more if youre interested. Fun video though, thanks!

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Drunken kung fu in real fights!

I've trained in Xin-Tao Karate for just over 2 years and earned my 1st degree black belt; then I effectively started over training in Olympic Tae Kwon Do for 3 years until I earned my 1st degree black belt in that art as well. I've also trained in Shotokan Karate, Filipino Escrima, Jeet Kune Do, Wing Chun, Bo Staff, Tai Chi, Juijitsu, and Krav Maga.

I teach a blended art of my own creation based on most of the above styles but mainly Karate, Escrima, and jui-jitsu.

I believe that if you're looking for real world self defense- other then my school- Krav Maga or Kajukenbo is a good place to start; if you're wanting more social aspects such as tournaments or you like Tradition then arts like Shotokan Karate, or Olympic Tae Kwon Do would be good fits.

In every art you'll learn skills that can be applied in real life combat, even if you have to sort of read between the lines as it were.

I'd stay away from schools like ATA or other schools that ask for hundreds of dollars upfront, charge more then $120/month for training, or have something like 20 belts that each have a $50 fee; there's good schools in these organizations and some solid skills but- at least for the schools where I am- i get the impression they are in it for the up-charge and such with a view of student numbers as money and not as individuals.

Find a style you like; research it; ask questions and weigh pros/cons and as long as you're learning something that you value you should be fine.

I have had 5 different instructors over the years; they all taught me some things of value; they all had stuff that I probably won't teach to my students but see the value of those drills from within that style. If you find a valued instructor who builds you up, keeps you humble, and doesn't treat you like an ATM; you should be fine. And (Shameless plug) if you find yourself in the Portland Oregon area; I still teach classes every week.

Where you put your effort is where you'll get your results. Train hard, ask questions, stay humble.
Hopefully that helps,
-Blackbeltmitpen

OB1Shinobi wrote: As someone not all that familiar with archery, i really enjoyed that video when i saw it. A certain member who i am guessing is bein tactful here brought to my attention awhile back that many in the archery community were quite put off by the claims lars anderson made and the way he marketed himself. Im not actually taking sides but i thought it worth mentioning because, well gossip i guess, or informed consent or something lol.
I'll leave it at that and you can learn more if youre interested. Fun video though, thanks!

You are welcome Obi, :blush: A weapon master must master himself, and I am not sure how _angry people are about Lars Anderson, but besides his ways of self centered marketing he is a wonderful archer. :laugh: Here is another weapon that is more effective if looked beyond first sight... :blink:

Cora Sek, 13 yrs old. VS Grace Cleveland, 23

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS-w4E5UQQE


Chinese Kung Fu Tournament 1954 (Full Contact)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqn09yaGpOc

My opinion,the best martial art is one that resonates with you. It is more tham just the training, but that is important too. It is the one that makes you want to keep coming back. It is dynamic and interesting to you. It may be more than one. I love aikido and tai chi, mainly soft and more internal martial arts, but I also like boxing and kickboxing. All very different, yet each feeds a part of me. Also the teachers and people matter. Atmosphere is very important. I desire not one wit of superiority or humiliation. As an aikido and self defense instructor, I also don't use any method that smacks of these either. One can be kind, encouraging, and still effective.

So explore different schools and classes. You'll know what your fit is.

All the best in your search

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATabB8Wunjg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLXLTQPJdOQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6i8mTJ5DI8

Im always going to say Boxing as its my passion
But all forms are legitimate and beautiful to watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL7xEDVfl8M

The young man who posted this video is imo a very impressive martial artist. Not because of his martial effectiveness, but because of his honesty and because his great big gigantic gonads aka he showed a lot of courage to take the route that he is taking





And for the truly interested: "Is Aikido a MARTIAL Art?" discussion involving multiple accomplished aikidoka with varying perspectives.




Last one: A legit example of someone using some aikido wrist lock tech effectively

Judo girl kicks ass aka how a female can beat a male



Bruce Lee vs Mike Tyson on heavy bag



Magic "Chi" powers in real life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd9-8JWgnm8&app=desktop

OB1Shinobi wrote: Video

Jujitsu only wins a 1vs 1 streetfight when you take it to the ground like that. Do these takedowns in the ghetto and you will have one of their friends putting boots to the back of your head before you ever maneuver to the armbar or choke. Groundfighting skills are a must but they are not the place you want to default to.

Certainly. And if they dont stomp you, one of them will shoot you. BUt this is true for all styles. What jiujitsu offers is the skills to actually win against one person, which is more than most can say. Well they all SAY it but few actually back it up.
Ignoring the title and simply watching the video, this fight was actually jiujitsu and boxing. Which is about as good as it gets for real life and unarmed self defense (in terms of what systems to take). The boxing here wasnt particularly impressive but the smaller man won because he had better hands and better ground fighting.

OB1Shinobi wrote: Certainly. And if they dont stomp you, one of them will shoot you. BUt this is true for all styles. What jiujitsu offers is the skills to actually win against one person, which is more than most can say. Well they all SAY it but few actually back it up.
Ignoring the title and simply watching the video, this fight was actually jiujitsu and boxing. Which is about as good as it gets for real life, unarmed self defense (in terms of what systems to take).

Very true as far as boxing and jujutsu go. The striking aspect of the fight was good. It was just the (I believe) triangle choke that stuck out and risky if you are not sure you are one on one. As far as firearms in the ghetto you would be surprised. Most often you gotta worry about a knife not a gun. Most people dont carry guns all the time, but they do carry knives. ( which is why the Tueller drill is important to know )

Frankly I loath the idea of a fist fight if I can help it. I prefer pepper spray and running if I think its safe. How do you feel about Judo vs Jui Jitsu as far as grappling skills go? I want to learn more ground fighting as my knowledge is limited to what the Navy taught me during security training and informal mat sessions on at the base gym

MadHatter wrote:

OB1Shinobi wrote: Certainly. And if they dont stomp you, one of them will shoot you. BUt this is true for all styles. What jiujitsu offers is the skills to actually win against one person, which is more than most can say. Well they all SAY it but few actually back it up.
Ignoring the title and simply watching the video, this fight was actually jiujitsu and boxing. Which is about as good as it gets for real life, unarmed self defense (in terms of what systems to take).

Very true as far as boxing and jujutsu go. The striking aspect of the fight was good. It was just the (I believe) triangle choke that stuck out and risky if you are not sure you are one on one. As far as firearms in the ghetto you would be surprised. Most often you gotta worry about a knife not a gun. Most people dont carry guns all the time, but they do carry knives. ( which is why the Tueller drill is important to know )

Frankly I loath the idea of a fist fight if I can help it. I prefer pepper spray and running if I think its safe. How do you feel about Judo vs Jui Jitsu as far as grappling skills go? I want to learn more ground fighting as my knowledge is limited to what the Navy taught me during security training and informal mat sessions on at the base gym

In the "hoods" that ive been in theres a lot of your "every day poor people" who may or may not have some kind of weapon, usually a knife, but then there are the drug dealers who pretty much all carry pistols.

That was a "triangle arm bar".. he did get a triangle position but he actually finished with an arm bar, not the triangle, which is a choke. That would have hyoerextended the arm past the breaking point at the elbow.

Bjj takedowns are plenty good enough against someone who doesnt have any grappling, but Judo and wrestling both have better takedowns than brzln jiujitsu, generally speaking. Which is weird because jiujitsu specializes in ground fighting, so its a no-brainer that it should have strong takedowns. But anyway, most bjj guys feel the need to cross train in wrestling (double leg and single leg especially) and judo for trips. For basic self defense you probably only need one or two takedowns that youre really good at and then one or two more that youre just pretty good at.

Once it goes to the ground though its really a matter of who has spent more time there: a judoka who really focuses on newaza (ground fighting) will be very good at it. As good as a bjj guy, perhaps. The caveat is that Judo is an olympic though and the rules are highly skewed towards throws rather than ground based submissions, so most judoka will have spent less time on the ground fighting and subs than the bjj guys. Overall i would say jiujitsu is better than judo for goundfighting, but again thats because of the emphasis, not because the overall system of judo isnt good on the ground.

Wrestling is also very good for getting a dominant position in a fight (from which you can throw punches) but wrestlers win by pinning their opponents, not by submitting them. A pin represents physical domination but without a weapon, its not necessarily going to end the fight. Every sub in bjj is either a choke that legit causes someone to pass out in a few seconds, or it is a break that... well, that breaks some limb or tears some tendon/ligament in some joint. So that particular piece of their body just doesnt work anymore. You have a "use of force continuum" in bjj. ..... chokes are fast and make the person sleep with no long term consequences at all, USUALLY. They wake up in a little while with a headache but thats it (unless you did something more after they lassed out-- i recomend drawing genitalia on their forehead). Then there is an arm bar.. you can actually choose how badly to break the arm at the elbow according to my coach (he says theres three "pops".. the third one is total breakage but the first two are just painful for a few weeks. Then there are joint attacks such as at the shoulders or the knee... these cause serious, long term injuries which can sometimes be repaired with expensive surgeries and lots and lots of rehab. Then theres attacks on the spinal column which cause paralysis or death.

This is what judo excels at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRTsabfMTgs

A good throw or slam can end a fight instantly, but the risk is that they can kill or seriously injure the other person. Sometimes thats ok but id say its best to have one or two "hard" takedowns and one or two "soft" takedowns in the inventory.

A friendly reminder to those reading/researching that most systems of fighting require practice and a reasonably fit body to be useful. Second to that, endurance enough to last longer than 30 seconds of combat with out becoming extremely winded. Cardio, cardio, cardio.

DO NOT assume because you watched a video or attended a lecture that you will react in time and with the precision necessary to apply a technique. A real fight, especially on the street with no rules, should be avoided at all costs, even at the expense of your pride. Permanent injury or death can easily result. Instead, run as soon as you can. Cardio, cardio, cardio.

I agree that a combination of boxing and jiu jitsu is the most practical for people looking for self defense options. Not because I believe they are the best systems of fighting, but because they can be picked up and maintained easier than more advanced fighting forms. I myself am a Shaolin Gong Fu person, but its a lifestyle for me and something I will be teaching. Not everyone can make that kind of commitment.

Finally, situational awareness will save your butt more than throwing a punch and can be(should be) practiced where ever/whenever you are. Rule number one for winning a fight: Don't be there.