What's the deal with the title of "Darth"?

DaathMenace wrote: I read somewhere in the Initiates Program(?) that putting titles in username wasn't allowed because some people had guinely earned titles like "Jedi" and "Darth"; but is there really such thing as this title in Jediism? And if so, how is it earned?

Systems which already have a mechanism to associate rank or duty work better if people don't add them to the username of an account in my experience, and sites that are designed to handle future expansion tend to follow rules like that to make work easier in the future as things change. Keeping things distinct means they can be used better in programming terms.

I once ran a forum which had ranks and I'd just get the system to write the title in front of the username automatically and so if someone had called themselves for example darthnight, in that sort of system it would end up looking like darth darthnight.

At this site the titles represent the activity here, and not externally. If you have titles elsewhere then putting them in the signature block, under the avatar, or profile page is a good way to show people your experience and recognition.

Right. It was just strange that it said "some people have earnt titles like "Darth" so its disrespectful to them" (to use it in a name) when no-one on the forum even *has* the "Darth" title lol. Oh well.

Grandtitan19 wrote: you say the only one who takes on "darth" is merely to distinguish himself from the jedis but most of the full on Sith's, like the sith lords have been mantions with the name "darth" there's Darth Sidious, Darth Plaqueis, Darth Maul, etc

Freedon Naad, Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, Ulic Qel-Droma, Exar Kun. The list of Sith Lords who DON'T use it has some length to it as well, as well as some fairly big names.

Jestor wrote:
Most legit Sith I have met dont use it, no offence... Not all of them, Im sure there are legit ones out there, and you counld be one, only few actually come by...

I've only ever met one Darth, and that's Draconis, and he is sure as hell worthy of the title. Man is pure Sith. I'd take a Darth title when my Sith training progresses to the right point, and at that point it'd be in my sig, because Darth Title or no, I'm still William Kaede.

DaathMenace wrote: Right. when no-one on the forum even *has* the "Darth" title

You're on the wrong forum if you want to be in the company of Darths. I'm only a guest here, outside of the ranking and membership systems. That being said, over at the other Sith Orders, there's quite a few who join up with their own Darth titles and very few of them actually survive. One clown actually had the gall to label himself as the Sith'ari, or Sith Messiah.

As I said above, few of the Dark Aspect take Darth names, the only one I can think of would be Draconis and he definitely deserves it. When I pass my Knighthood or my Lordship and qualify for one, I'll take up a Darth name. It'll be Scionis or Pariath, if I get a choice.

Menace, most Darth Names are plays on existing words or the use of Latin/Greek. Bane's Rule of Two Sith Order had that system, minus Darth Maul, to my knowledge. Plagueis, Sidious, Tyranus, Cognus, Tenebrous, Vader. The Old Sith Empire had a mix of existing words and plays on them, such as Scourge, Nihilus, Bandon, Vitiate. Even Revan and Malak were only using their real names.

Lord Kaan of the Brotherhood of Darkness denounced the Darth title, trying to have a unified Sith Order, which Bane destroyed in the Seventh Battle of Ruusan. Bane took up the Darth Title, being the only one of two known in his Lineage to actually use a real word, to my knowledge, but he took it as his Sith name, later becoming Darth Bane. The other was Darth Guile, but there was one named "Ramage". Lazy writing. Even the One Sith in the 140-ABY Era use Darth names without plain words.

In SW:TOR, "Darth" is considered a title of limited supply. There can only ever be a certain amount, and as a Sith Inquisitor part of your mission is helping your Master become "A Darth". To quote some of the fiction to finish?

"The Darth title was more than just a symbol of power; it was a claim of supremacy. It was used by those Dark Lords who have sought to enforce their will on the other Masters. It was a challenge — a warning to bow down or be destroyed."

―Sith Blademaster, Kas'im

"Someone here once told me that the Darth title was no longer used because it promoted rivalry among the Sith. It gave the Jedi an easy target. It was easier just to abandon the custom. To have all the Sith Masters use the same title of Dark Lord. But I know the truth, Qordis. I know why none of you claim that name for yourself. Fear. You're cowards. None of the Brotherhood is worthy of the Darth title. Least of all you."

―Darth Bane

Both are from the first in the Darth Bane Trilogy; Path of Destruction, by Drew Karpyshyn. I hope I've shed some light on the subject, Menace. If you're interested in being an actual darksider, there's the Order of the Sith Lords, Temple of the Sith Order, and the Dark Aspect of the Force Academy.

Williamkaede wrote:
Freedon Naad, Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, Ulic Qel-Droma, Exar Kun. The list of Sith Lords who DON'T use it has some length to it as well, as well as some fairly big names.

Yeah. And Darth Vaeder.

Williamkaede wrote:
I've only ever met one Darth, and that's Draconis, and he is sure as hell worthy of the title.

Well, now you've met a second. After due consideration, I now proclaim myself "Darth", more than worthy of the title in my own eyes, which is enough, and with more than adequate knowledge of the Force to facilitate such a name.

Williamkaede wrote: You're on the wrong forum if you want to be in the company of Darths. I'm only a guest here, outside of the ranking and membership systems. That being said, over at the other Sith Orders, there's quite a few who join up with their own Darth titles and very few of them actually survive.

"Survive"?

Williamkaede wrote: One clown actually had the gall to label himself as the Sith'ari, or Sith Messiah.

Quite disrespectful of him.

Williamkaede wrote: As I said above, few of the Dark Aspect take Darth names, the only one I can think of would be Draconis and he definitely deserves it. When I pass my Knighthood or my Lordship and qualify for one, I'll take up a Darth name. It'll be Scionis or Pariath, if I get a choice.

Menace, most Darth Names are plays on existing words or the use of Latin/Greek. Bane's Rule of Two Sith Order had that system, minus Darth Maul, to my knowledge. Plagueis, Sidious, Tyranus, Cognus, Tenebrous, Vader. The Old Sith Empire had a mix of existing words and plays on them, such as Scourge, Nihilus, Bandon, Vitiate. Even Revan and Malak were only using their real names.

Yes- though I'm less interested in fiction and more in what the nature of the religion is; how others perceive the Force.

I'm merely explaining how the Sith Orders operate with the Darth title and then went on a slight rant...

And by survive, I meant 'last within the order'.

Darth Draconis huh??? I am familiar. It has been some time since I saw that name. Yeah, he's one of the few, the proud, the Sith lol. I was never impressed by him, but he was no joke, he definitely knew his stuff.

Darth Menace, who was your master? Where did you earn the Darth title if you don't mind me asking, because you certainly can't just claim it, it must be earned.

Fire and Ice wrote: Darth Menace, who was your master? Where did you earn the Darth title if you don't mind me asking, because you certainly can't just claim it, it must be earned.

Ever seen 'A Knight's Tale'?

How did the nobles become noble in the first place? They took it at the tip of a sword. I'll do it with a lance.

How do the first professors become professors? How do the first Kings become Kings? The first leaders become leaders?

Not that I'm saying Menace is deserving or not (I honestly don't know enough about him to warrant a worthwhile opinion), but not all those who are 'great' need validation from some authority

Where did this 'Draconis' get his title from?

Khaos was his Master at the Force Academy, that much I know. May have been the same at the Order.

Bane took the title, sure, but he also made sure he was deserving of it. It attracts attention.

Fire and Ice wrote: Darth Menace, who was your master? Where did you earn the Darth title if you don't mind me asking, because you certainly can't just claim it, it must be earned.

I am under no obligation whatsoever to justify my title to any, least of all yourself.

Fire and Ice wrote:
Darth Menace, who was your master? Where did you earn the Darth title if you don't mind me asking, because you certainly can't just claim it, it must be earned.

It doesn't necessarily have to be earned, but if he can't live up to it, his failures will be far more obvious.

Williamkaede wrote: It doesn't necessarily have to be earned, but if he can't live up to it, his failures will be far more obvious.

Sure, anyone can go ahead and say "I am Darth....." but if you have any respect for the title, you will earn it before calling yourself as much. I do agree that you are correct in your assessment of the situation though.

DaathMenace wrote: I am under no obligation whatsoever to justify my title to any, least of all yourself.

You are correct, you are under no obligation to justify yourself, but you can't blame one for asking.

I was only curious because I was once approached by a young man, angry, lost, and confused. This young man came to me seeking to learn the ways of the Sith and the dark side. After some consideration I agreed to take him on as an apprentice and he was dubbed...you guessed it, Darth Menace. I suppose it wouldn't be too great a coincidence for there to be more than one who calls themselves that, but I read some of the things you wrote here, they reflected the very teachings I gave this apprentice, and I was sure you may have been him and found your way here. If you are him than you should already know who I am.

this reminds me of that futurama episode where the planet express crew is live action role playing a civil war between earth and the sith. the sith vessel lands and they disembark and they are introducing themselves before battle and it was 'darth sploder, darth urderer and darth ithead'.

i laughed my butt off.

In the end a title is just a word...only worth as much respect as is earned by the one bearing it...just because one carries a title does not mean they are entitled to respect (in most cases though they earn the respect)...I've seen sensei's that demanded respect from their students while doing nothing to show they deserved such respect....

Having said that Ican say that everyone at totjo that bears a title has in fact earned the respect they receive...or at least have earned my respect....Ihave not and will not respect anyone that comes and demands it just because they feel they deserve it....if you want respect you must prove to be worthy of it...and the best way to get respect is to give respect

I thought titles meant everything

http://www.neatorama.com/2011/01/27/cat-earns-multiple-advanced-degrees/

:laugh: I always wondered what dr. Katz looked like

RyuJin wrote: In the end a title is just a word...only worth as much respect as is earned by the one bearing it...just because one carries a title does not mean they are entitled to respect (in most cases though they earn the respect)...I've seen sensei's that demanded respect from their students while doing nothing to show they deserved such respect....

I feel you on it just being a title, but.....

RyuJin wrote: Having said that Ican say that everyone at totjo that bears a title has in fact earned the respect they receive...or at least have earned my respect....I have not and will not respect anyone that comes and demands it just because they feel they deserve it....if you want respect you must prove to be worthy of it...and the best way to get respect is to give respect

You hit the nail right on the head here.

The people here bearing a title earned it as recognized by their peers and that means something. I think it also means something that you (TOTJO) have specifically discouraged "Darth" titles and any other titles since you do have a real system here and the people earn their titles. I guess to me what I have seen thus far is a bit of a great disrespect to all of you. I know I'm new here and you all know me about as well as a martian, but it doesn't take a long standing relationship to have respect for something. Being someone who once earned their title as well I certainly don't respect someone just announcing that they get to take up the mantle that I and many others worked for either.

Fire and Ice wrote: Being someone who once earned their title as well I certainly don't respect someone just announcing that they get to take up the mantle that I and many others worked for either.

Fire and Ice wrote: he was dubbed...you guessed it, Darth Menace.

"Fire and Ice" is truly a fitting name for one who consistently contradicts themselves.

SUPREME DIGGITY.

Some of the Darth names over at the other Orders have the same sort of quality.

I won't use Darth until I'm a Sith Lord or Knight. I'm not even sure the Sith Orders should really use the Knight titles... the Sith Knights were an obscure organisation.

Williamkaede

SUPREME DIGGITY.

How awesome is that!?!?!?!
I just found my new "word/saying" for the day!

hahahhahahaha

It's from an episode of Futurama. The information can be found in the link below.

http://theinfosphere.org/Sithal_War