Degree points

As synod - we can agree and bring this to the Council.
Should the seminary work be counted as degree points for the Degree scheme.
I would love to hear from every one - - existing council as well.
What do you think?
Should we vote as Synod to allow all seminary lessons and work be counted as credit for the Degree scheme?
It is a Honorary Degree in Divinity.
What’s your thoughts ?
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Upon completions of our seminary you can receive a Diploma of graduation.
What about points toward the Degree?
Should we change that and add that ? No - floors open !


Edit : bring any reason for or against - bylaws rules anything - let’s find out

Truthfully every lesson in the degree scheme is worth points.
Graduation of seminary should or can be worth points tword the degree- we can grant them right in the certificate of completion.
I would say maybe - ten maybe maybe more ? What say y’all?

I think Seminary Training should be included in the DQS as well.

Are you suggesting each seminary lesson be worth 10 points?

I certainly agree that the seminary should count towards the degree scheme. They are still lessons after all and can be assigned point values (I don't think each lesson should be worth 10 points, but certainly some lump sum of points for completing the seminary). I seem to remember at one point the seminary was actually a part of progression in the degree scheme. Is this no longer the case?

Mi culpa - what I’m saying is that the seminary graduation be worth a whole ten or something numerical
Like that

I see. Sounds good to me; we would just need to fit it in with the DQS. Last time I checked, the Education Administration was lagging. Can you use your Council might to shake that back into motion? Maybe get some inter-department dialogue going on?

Before we do that what are we looking at ?

My thoughts were that the entire seminary be worth a small chunk of points for completion tword the degree scheme- after all - most lessons are from the knights and clergy who already have lessons submitted for the degree scheme. Makes sense to me any work done here would be worth value as far as points for the honorary degrees we give out. I know I know it ain’t about points but it’s a start right ? Maybe -
Each lesson is about 2-3 points and it’s about 100 for the a.div and a extra 200 for the b.div.
I would say 10-15 depending on involve t content and such as the pastor of seminary and team award them that. Another sticky to Rax to talk about! But what you think?

I'd totally be game to assign certain small point values to each of the lessons. The entirely of the seminary is a collection of lessons written by numerous members of the clergy and has gone a rigorous peer-review process starting with the seminary team, going through the synod, the rest of the clergy who were active at the time, and ending with the council. To my knowledge, the lessons in the degree scheme have not been subject to a similar procedure, so if we get some point values assigned I have no doubt it will complement the rest of the lessons quite nicely.
In regards to determining the number of points, here would be my recommendation which I'll get working on as soon as I get the thumbs up: The seminary team will go through the seminary lessons and based on the current approximate point values of the degree scheme assign what we think would be an appropriate number of points. Each of these point values would be divided in two (rounded down) and that value be the point equivalent for the Degree Scheme. It's devaluing the seminary lessons, but they're working for licensed minister anyways. That way even if someone is only partway through the seminary they can still apply those points to their degree progression.
Another consideration: we also have continued education courses under construction within the seminary. Would we like to assign point values to these as well? That's, of course, a bit more substantial of a pitch to make, but probably best to get out in the open earlier rather than later.

Since there isn’t that many I would be opposed to one point value each. Flat across the board. Worth value but not enough for any dramma - ya know?

I agree with both of you- maybe the value is small, to encourage the completion of more lessons, and I think that we should consider giving a value to the “Continuing Education” lessons; that way, we have a greater field of materials to work from that may appeal to a greater audience.

A while ago (a year ago or so)

I thought about this

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JzkCEqw2o67wDgW_Ft36ioSOsIRaJk1K_xaNehopaQI/edit?usp=drivesdk

Rosalyn J wrote: A while ago (a year ago or so)

I thought about this

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JzkCEqw2o67wDgW_Ft36ioSOsIRaJk1K_xaNehopaQI/edit?usp=drivesdk

I do apologize - I often have Texh problems with opening and closing documents on my mobile . If anything this is so I can read it and not have to log in anywhere for it.



“ Since we have been talking about potentially adding more responsibility to the Sr. Knight teir, I’d like to bring forward some ideas for how we can revitalize the Bdiv so that more people get engaged with it.
First, I’d like more than one “way” to earn a Bdiv. Here is what I am thinking:
Individualized: The first way will be completely individualized as it is now. As I see it, the Knight working towards a Bdiv in this way only has to submit a log and an exit post in the same way that we do for apprentices. In that exit post, the individual will go through what their goals were when they began and what they have learned during the journey. Here the individual can set their own lessons, but they must be approved by RyuJin before they can be counted towards the Degree.
Modulerized based on Doctrine Points: We have been talking about having modules, but I think that one of our big drawbacks is we dont know what subjects we should be covering. Here the Doctrine helps us. There would be X number of modules which would have several lessons in each. The Knight would be responsible for picking a set number from each one
50/50 Module and Individual: A knight would be responsible for picking half of their lessons from the doctrine modules and setting half of their own lessons based on their own assessment of the areas they need to develop
Lessons according to role: These are a bit more “set”, but they concern the role the Knight has/or wants to have in the Temple or the outside. Leadership, Teaching and Ministry. More can be added if I am missing any. The teaching one still needs to be developed, but the leadership one and ministry one’s are already complete and awaiting review. Even Though these are “set”, there is still some space for electives. Seminary has about 30 points which can be electives and Leadership has about 68.
I think having a few ways one can get to the finish line is probably the best way to get people excited about the daunting task that is the Bdiv.
Second, I think the DQS could use an upgrade. We can probably ask Knights to share any lessons they’d like to be added, but of course that would be up to Ryu and Alex.
Anyhow, those are some of my ideas. I’d like to hear your thoughts

Truthfully if all it actually takes is submitting lessons to edu admin I’m hands down for it. Not trying to use a back door or anything like that but that may be a way to get things done. Just saying...

It used to be...years ago I think...that Completed Apprenticeship + Seminary=Bdiv (?)

Of course seminary has since had an upgrade

And I may be off in terms of whether it meant Sr Knight or Bdiv. Those two aren't synonymous I don't believe.

I would think that’s a bit of a reach there as far as degree points are concerned ... way too much there.