Prequel Haters Gon Hate - But why? (BE nice...)

Darren wrote: Maybe it's been said already...Someone mentioned Qui-Gon and Grevious as being characters introduced in an episode and being killed in that episode...well, so was Obi-Wan in the Original Trilogy. I had to put that in there.

That's a very good point - I never thought of that! And I don't think it was mentioned before. Great job.

That is so true! I remember playing the demo for Jedi Power battles on PS1, I never got to buy it, but I played that demo over a bazillion times!!! I loved Star Wars battlefield 2, on the PS2, it was one of my favs. I have to admit though, at Celebration Station, they had this AWESOME Star Wars arcade game, were you got to duel with Darth Vader as Luke Skywalker in 1st person, and it was amazing. I spent all of my monies on that, but it was worth it. I never got to play the Bounty Hunter game based off of Jango Fett, but I did read all the game mags had to offer on it. (Jango and Boba were my favs from Episode 2.)

hellisforhorses wrote:
Reliah...THANK YOUUU!!! I'll admit, there is a bit of competition between IV and V for my top spot, but Revenge of the Sith is a definite 2nd/3rd placer, and by far the best one of the new trilogy! I feel like Anakin and Obi-Wan developed their characters considerably from II to III. Now don't get me wrong, Revenge is not perfect, but it is one of the greats. The only thing that could have made it more epic is if Liam Neison hadn't gotten into a wreck and was able to appear as Qui-Gon, as he had planned on doing.

Agreed.

Fortesque wrote:
There is also the effect the prequels had on gaming. I love games, though having no console of my own makes it difficult to play. Without the prequels, there would be no Old Republic, no Battlefront, no upcoming 1313.

I also LOVED the Force Unleashed game (at least the first one)and I think we owe the prequels for that as well...the Jedi Temple...the Jedi Purge...etc.

My last post got me to thinking, while I harped on how much I loved Episode III, I never mentioned how disappointed I was with Episode II. But before I get into that, I wanna get something off of my chest. I like Episode I. There I said it. I think Jar-Jar was pointless, and Jake Lloyd wasn't a good child actor, and Haley Joe Osmond would've made a much better Anakin, but that is just trivial things. The fighting scenes were pretty awesome, and although I bash on Lloyd's acting abilities, or lack thereof, I still enjoyed the podracing. But Episode II...ugh.. While Ewan still did a pretty good job as Obi-Wan, Anakin had almost no redeeming qualities whatsoever, and the same can be said about Padme. They weren't good in this at all. (Minus the one awesome scene where Anakin goes beast mode on the Sandpeoples. That was pretty cool.) Jango and Boba Fett were awesome. I loved all of there scenes, and was genuinely moved when Boba held Jango's helmet in sorrow after Jango died. I also enjoyed the Clone Trooper story arch, and thought it was well done. The thing I feel was the worst thing about Episode II though was the fight scene before Yoda vs Dooku. I felt robbed when Christopher Lee (who I love in Dracula) and Anakin had it out. First of all, why didn't Obi-Wan put up more of a fight?! He was amazing against Maul, now before you all say 'Dooku is better than Maul, I get that, but that doesn't change the fact Kenobi could've lasted a minute longer before getting pwoned! Secondly, The majority of the fight was just the glow of the lightsabers on their faces and sound effects. I know Lee is old, but come on, they did great when he fought Yoda, couldn't they afford to keep the stunt double a little longer?!

This is why my list is as follows: V, III, IV, VII, I, II.

SeanChing wrote:

Fortesque wrote:
There is also the effect the prequels had on gaming. I love games, though having no console of my own makes it difficult to play. Without the prequels, there would be no Old Republic, no Battlefront, no upcoming 1313.

I also LOVED the Force Unleashed game (at least the first one)and I think we owe the prequels for that as well...the Jedi Temple...the Jedi Purge...etc.

lol how did I leave that out?! That was definitely an awesome game!!!

In the original trilogy The Force was something that was larger than yourself. Something intangible and ever present that let you influence and understand the world around you in the most subtle and profound way

The Lightsaber too was used only as a weapon of last resort, when someone took out their lightsaber you knew that shizzle was about to go down. That something really big was going to happen. For most of the time you never saw them

That is the beauty of a space opera

Compare this to the prequels. The Force is something that is never explored mystically or in depth. It is used constantly during battle scenes as opposed to being something grander and unknowable

The lightsaber is used constantly throughout the film. Nearly every single fight there is a lightsaber. Ask yourself if that is because George Lucas was using them artistically to explain something big was about to go down? Or was he using them simply because they looked cool

The prequels are basically this: "Lets include lots of shooting and action and flashy lights and explosion noises and that will make a good film." No.

That is the shallowness of someone who treats his audience like fools

There is no depth to the prequels. It is one thing after another after another with a poorly connected plot line and bright lights with loud noises put in between

SeanChing wrote:

RiddleNox wrote:
Plus... I might be straight.. but... EWAN MCGREGOR. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

...WOAH....

I'm inclined to agree with RiddleNox there I'm afraid. Ewan McGregor has his own set of rules regarding sexiness. If you ever saw Velvet Goldmine you would:
a) Agree with me wholeheartedly;
b) Wonder about my sexual orientation, or;
c) Both of the above.

YOU BET! haha.

What I have noticed is that younger people, my peers, and generally those who grew up with Prequels like them better than OT. Most of the Prequel haters out there are older people who had "their" original trilogy - I bet it was something almost sacred and important in their lives (the mythology etc.) and then Lucas decided to make the new movies. They were different, of course, as they were designed for younger audiences (as mentioned before). It was a violation of sorts for many of older fans.

I personally as a child loved the rather straightforward messages of Prequels. Not only they were full of action but also had wisdom that I was able to understand. I couldn't grasp the usually subtler teachings of OT when I was little; back then it was more like a somehow confusing and weird action movie. When I became older I started to appreciate them more, but I still have a lot of sentiment regarding Prequels.

I assume that really the fight between those who hate and those who like these 3 movies is in fact mostly a fight between two different generations. Both of the trilogies have got their flaws but they are both also pretty good.

That's just my opinion of course (:

(Also, Ewan McGregor. If nothing else, he's the reason to love Prequels.)

i feel the same way...about the not understanding and the ewan mcgregor. but in time i started hating him and finding that the originals are better with the stroy than teachings, and the teachings in the prequels better that its story...they are the perfect match. you dont have to watch them. your only making yourself angry, upset and frustrated for no reason...

Akkarin wrote: In the original trilogy...

The Lightsaber too was used only as a weapon of last resort, when someone took out their lightsaber you knew that shizzle was about to go down. That something really big was going to happen. For most of the time you never saw them

That is the beauty of a space opera


The lightsaber is used constantly throughout the film. Nearly every single fight there is a lightsaber. Ask yourself if that is because George Lucas was using them artistically to explain something big was about to go down? Or was he using them simply because they looked cool

I think that the reason why George Lucas used more lightsabers and duels in the prequels has to do with the setting and plot, and not just because they "looked cool".

In the original trilogy, the Jedi are outlaws and will be captured, tortured, and executed if they appear. Therefore, Jedi could NOT use lightsabers so often because they might be caught.

In the prequels, the Jedi were the recognized "police officers" (for lack of a better term) so using the lightsaber was more socially acceptable. In other words, I'm sure the old Ben Kenobi and Yoda would use their lightsabers more often, in the original trilogy, if it wasn't illegal.

Plus, drawing a lightsaber would be the only way to deal with Sith and Large Number of enemies.

The total time that happens in the PT: Infinite. haha

In the OT: Like... 3-4 times.

The Jedi at the time, in the PT, were desperate to pick up the pieces of what was left of the Republic. You know what they say about desperate times...

RiddleNox wrote: Plus, drawing a lightsaber would be the only way to deal with Sith and Large Number of enemies.

The total time that happens in the PT: Infinite. haha

In the OT: Like... 3-4 times.

The Jedi at the time, in the PT, were desperate to pick up the pieces of what was left of the Republic. You know what they say about desperate times...

Not to mention that in the OT, the Jedi were pretty much trying to remain low-key. The lightsaber only came out in absolute necessity (for instance, Obi-Wan had to use it to protect Luke from that guy in the bar who whipped out a blaster).

Luke went full-lightsaber in ROTJ though.

Hai.

Xiam wrote: Not to mention that in the OT, the Jedi were pretty much trying to remain low-key. The lightsaber only came out in absolute necessity (for instance, Obi-Wan had to use it to protect Luke from that guy in the bar who whipped out a blaster).

Luke went full-lightsaber in ROTJ though.

My point exactly.

Also, here's another point that I haven't brought up yet:


I really admired the prequel movies because, even though they were made over ten years after the original movies, the plots connected nearly perfectly. More specifically, George Lucas made an effort to include subtle but key (and there tingly) details that hinted towards the "future" events of the original movies.

For example...

1. When Obi-Wan see the clones on Kamino and talks with the Kaminoan leader, he asks, "who this army is for?" She replies, "this army is for the republic". I found this interesting out of irony. Obi-Wan, during the prequels, is relieved to hear that the army is for the republic. He has no idea that his own republic will turn against him and become his hunter and worst enemy.

2. (Not the exact dialogue, sorry) Anakin and Padme are talking, in a Naboo field, about politics. Padme explains, "the problem is, not everyone agrees". Anakin replies, "then they should be made to". Padme "who, who's gonna make them?" Anakin says, "someone wise". Padme jokes, "you? someone like you?" Anakin laughs, "of course not me." Padme then says, "that sounds an awful like a dictatorship". Anakin replies, "well, if it works..." and Padme gives him a cold, concerned stare before laughing it off.

This obviously hints at Anakin's natural thoughts towards promoting dictatorship and aggressive control, later leading to his role as the emperor's signature police officer.


3. Dooku is in the Geonosis spire and Poggle the Lesser says something like, "we are doomed if they find out what we are trying to build". Dooku says something like, "I will take the designs to my Master on Coruscant". He flashes the Death Star's designs.



In other words, I admire the prequels because they emphasized the Star Wars beliefs of "destiny" and "fate" - that events that seem really lucky are actually fateful and according to the force pulling the galaxy in and out of balance.

The prequel movies hint that, despite the actions of all characters, everyone is destined for the Empire.

Tseen Keh wrote: (Also, Ewan McGregor. If nothing else, he's the reason to love Prequels.)

agreed!

I have an impression that Original Trilogy is more talking and going with Luke through his journey, while Prequels focus on action. I really liked those Prequels fights.

toastie wrote: I have an impression that Original Trilogy is more talking and going with Luke through his journey, while Prequels focus on action. I really liked those Prequels fights.

The 3rd Matrix film has that awesome fight in the dock with all the APC's

Still an awful film though...

OK.....after reading through all the previous posts ( sorry if I missed any ) I would just like to add my two or three bits.
I saw Star Wars the day it opened in 1977, we sat through it twice. It really did start something in my life. Empire, awesome. Return of the Jedi, actually helped me through a really difficult time in my life. I went and saw it once a week at the $1 theater after the first run. I saw it a total of 15 times.
EPI, II and III. I like and I don't. EPI has the best lighsaber duel of the entire series, and I told Ray Park this in person. BUT here is where Lucas lost me. All these years The Force was this mystical energy given off by living things....and now.....he reduces it to symbionic cooties????
EPII, I liked, we saw the Jedi Temple, classes, and council and I have to admit the Battle of Geonosis.....that was awesome yet a regretable loss of my heroes. EPIII not the best and not the worst, most of it was decent, it tied the two trilogies togther, but the whole love story was a bit much. The time lines don't quite match up, the Clone Wars were supposed to last 20 years. Ewan McGregor is one of my favorite actors and I think his interpretation of a youger Obi Wan was the highlight of the prequels. Obi Wan always was my favorite character, starting with Old Ben. I could go on and on but that's a condensed version.