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Views on "Kinesis" and other forms of energy manipulation
31 Dec 2015 18:59 #217801
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Recently I've been doing some reading into the energy of the universe and how it connects us all. As Jedi we believe this energy is the Force, and through my readings I've found that some people believe that there are ways to channel the energy and manipulate it. I'm new to the Jedi temple, and while I know some of the things I see or read are fake, I find the idea of connecting this strongly to the Force and channeling its energy really fascinating. I was just wondering what you guys think of all of it, or if you have any personal experience with having an extremely strong connection to the Force.
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31 Dec 2015 19:21 #217806
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Each person has a different view on this. Personally I don't believe in telekinesis or mind reading or things like that. I do believe in some types of energy based healing methods like Reiki.
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31 Dec 2015 19:52 #217812
by Gisteron
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I think that I do have trouble understanding what any of this means. I suppose therefore it must be that I am using at least some of the words in question differently, so to clear this up I shall ask this:
What do you mean by "energy", "universe", "connect", "channel" and "manipulate", respectively, and are you positive that this is how the authors of your sources use those words, too?
What do you mean by "energy", "universe", "connect", "channel" and "manipulate", respectively, and are you positive that this is how the authors of your sources use those words, too?
Better to leave questions unanswered than answers unquestioned
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31 Dec 2015 22:11 #217828
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I guess I could've been clearer in my original post, I apologize for any confusion.
By "universe" I mean all things in creation. Us, plants, animals, stars, and such.
By "energy" I guess I'm referring to the Force. The source that all things in the universe contain and have in common.
By "connect" I just mean exactly that. Some sort of bond between the Force and us or other objects.
Channel and manipulate go hand in hand. By those words I'm referring to a way that we could be influenced by the Force or the Force could influence us.
I myself am not looking to do telekinesis or mind readings. I've just seen some videos and articles of people who claim they are able to. I guess I would be looking for a way to feel or sense the Force flowing through other people and objects. In such a way that if they were in trouble or inner strife I could sense it and possibly help them. Also, should such a thing be possible, maybe the Force could aid me in emotional or spiritual healing.
For this post however, I'm just looking for opinions of what you guys think of such things. Or experiences you have (I said this in the original post, but wanted to reiterate)
Thanks for your replies guys!
By "universe" I mean all things in creation. Us, plants, animals, stars, and such.
By "energy" I guess I'm referring to the Force. The source that all things in the universe contain and have in common.
By "connect" I just mean exactly that. Some sort of bond between the Force and us or other objects.
Channel and manipulate go hand in hand. By those words I'm referring to a way that we could be influenced by the Force or the Force could influence us.
I myself am not looking to do telekinesis or mind readings. I've just seen some videos and articles of people who claim they are able to. I guess I would be looking for a way to feel or sense the Force flowing through other people and objects. In such a way that if they were in trouble or inner strife I could sense it and possibly help them. Also, should such a thing be possible, maybe the Force could aid me in emotional or spiritual healing.
For this post however, I'm just looking for opinions of what you guys think of such things. Or experiences you have (I said this in the original post, but wanted to reiterate)
Thanks for your replies guys!
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01 Jan 2016 02:11 #217862
by Adder
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I tend to approach it from a perspective of comparable system's being entrained or mirroring each other.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrainment_(chronobiology)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirroring_(psychology)
..... depending on the biological or psychology systems respectively. I'm not sure if the placebo effect should fall into mirroring as its not how I'd interpret it, but it might. For me the placebo effect is generated from the construction and reinforcement of the individuals own belief construct.
So from entrainement and mirroring, I like to imagine I could find less obvious relationships which might be difficult to detect with the usual transmission medium detection such like otherwise I'd be looking for magnetic, electrical, heat or pressure transmission in some way. I tend to leave the 'unknown' category to last, and don't necessarily ascribe the concept of the Force to it. I tend to view all things as being expressions of the Force... its just some of the more subtle ones seem to match the fiction a bit is all
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrainment_(chronobiology)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirroring_(psychology)
..... depending on the biological or psychology systems respectively. I'm not sure if the placebo effect should fall into mirroring as its not how I'd interpret it, but it might. For me the placebo effect is generated from the construction and reinforcement of the individuals own belief construct.
So from entrainement and mirroring, I like to imagine I could find less obvious relationships which might be difficult to detect with the usual transmission medium detection such like otherwise I'd be looking for magnetic, electrical, heat or pressure transmission in some way. I tend to leave the 'unknown' category to last, and don't necessarily ascribe the concept of the Force to it. I tend to view all things as being expressions of the Force... its just some of the more subtle ones seem to match the fiction a bit is all

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01 Jan 2016 02:33 #217871
by PatrickB
The one that posses with a devices is responsible for others . Being at large is brought too my attention . An armor is the key to unarm devices .
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If you think kinesis witch is name telekinesis . Well there you have a better perspective of attracting the force . When people use the right word they understand better. There is student of the force here they really think sometime it's the force who guide's them . Why because we are right there speaking about it .When it exist why denies in the idea of the force . Sometime it is better to use the form of word then to compose other wise .
Furthermore to ignore these balance bond or bind is to come closer of losing you good will power . To those forms of beliefs other than the way Jediime is actually made is to admit that the force exist . It is actually fun to go around the subject .I mean why are you willing to play these discovery in the temple without trying it in your house or just play along .
It is easy to say the bind's of the force what is harder is to admit that you use the force .
Furthermore to ignore these balance bond or bind is to come closer of losing you good will power . To those forms of beliefs other than the way Jediime is actually made is to admit that the force exist . It is actually fun to go around the subject .I mean why are you willing to play these discovery in the temple without trying it in your house or just play along .
It is easy to say the bind's of the force what is harder is to admit that you use the force .
The one that posses with a devices is responsible for others . Being at large is brought too my attention . An armor is the key to unarm devices .
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01 Jan 2016 10:46 #217905
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We are sensory dull creatures. Other animals senses are much more developed and capable than ours so we miss a lot of stuff going on around us. Our brains are better than all the other creatures. Thought is an energy were have influence over and can control. Our thought energy, personal energy, is dwarfed by the living forces we swim in. Those that have the sensitivity to "feel" all this and think about what they feel are in touch with these forces. They are very fortunate as this allows them to be in harmony with life's energies. Some may think this is control of forces but really we are just along for the ride.
We feel the power/energy, power excites us, we desire power, we want to use/control/channel power...........
but I "feel" our influence on the force is no more than a butterfly's on a sunny day flying from flower to flower.
A very pretty butterfly though.
We feel the power/energy, power excites us, we desire power, we want to use/control/channel power...........
but I "feel" our influence on the force is no more than a butterfly's on a sunny day flying from flower to flower.

A very pretty butterfly though.

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01 Jan 2016 11:14 #217906
by Gisteron
Better to leave questions unanswered than answers unquestioned
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Well, it seems that you are describing gravity... in a sense.
The smallest biological category that contains us, the other animals and plants would be eucaryotes, but since we have to include stars, I guess we'll have to extrapolate as far as the sum of all material things. Outside of what you call universe would then be everything that is not made of matter, like light, as well as circumstantial quantities like space and time.
Since everybody means something different when they speak of the Force and only refer to it whenever they don't want to be specific, we can cast that aside and see what else you mean by energy and that seems to be whatever all things in the previously defined universe have in common. Since the physical quantity that is energy is also something contained in light, the thing that is common especially to material objects would have to be a specific type of energy, namely mass.
What connection means is still an open question, since it is just some kind of bond between mass and massive objects and I don't know that anybody knows what that even could be.
Finally, channeling and manipulation seem to be ways in which we - and by that I assume you mean humankind - can be influenced by mass.
Well, gravity would then be the primary interaction between a massive object and one of us, since we are massive objects also. Technically massive objects can push us around, too, but that is due to electrical charge and not mass and since as far as I know there exist massive chargeless particles, we cannot outright say that charge is also something all massive objects have in common.
So in conclusion, assuming that the elaboration you gave is exhaustive, you are talking about gravity. Yes, I do believe that there is such a thing. I do not believe that it is particularly helpful to rename everything about it into woo-buzzwords as to sound as vague and new-age-y as possible, such that explaining the terms becomes this necessary because of how different they are from the ones normally used. But I am positive that gravity is a thing and that that recognition is something as fascinating as it is useful.
The smallest biological category that contains us, the other animals and plants would be eucaryotes, but since we have to include stars, I guess we'll have to extrapolate as far as the sum of all material things. Outside of what you call universe would then be everything that is not made of matter, like light, as well as circumstantial quantities like space and time.
Since everybody means something different when they speak of the Force and only refer to it whenever they don't want to be specific, we can cast that aside and see what else you mean by energy and that seems to be whatever all things in the previously defined universe have in common. Since the physical quantity that is energy is also something contained in light, the thing that is common especially to material objects would have to be a specific type of energy, namely mass.
What connection means is still an open question, since it is just some kind of bond between mass and massive objects and I don't know that anybody knows what that even could be.
Finally, channeling and manipulation seem to be ways in which we - and by that I assume you mean humankind - can be influenced by mass.
Well, gravity would then be the primary interaction between a massive object and one of us, since we are massive objects also. Technically massive objects can push us around, too, but that is due to electrical charge and not mass and since as far as I know there exist massive chargeless particles, we cannot outright say that charge is also something all massive objects have in common.
So in conclusion, assuming that the elaboration you gave is exhaustive, you are talking about gravity. Yes, I do believe that there is such a thing. I do not believe that it is particularly helpful to rename everything about it into woo-buzzwords as to sound as vague and new-age-y as possible, such that explaining the terms becomes this necessary because of how different they are from the ones normally used. But I am positive that gravity is a thing and that that recognition is something as fascinating as it is useful.
Better to leave questions unanswered than answers unquestioned
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01 Jan 2016 17:37 #217955
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So in conclusion, assuming that the elaboration you gave is exhaustive, you are talking about gravity.
G you mean me?
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01 Jan 2016 17:41 #217957
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I'm going to just leave this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHElJ6jj4Ks
(this isn't to say that i don't believe in the possibility, just my opinion on it's relevance)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHElJ6jj4Ks
(this isn't to say that i don't believe in the possibility, just my opinion on it's relevance)
Gather at the River,
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