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What's the difference between hunting and buying meat?
19 Mar 2014 19:15 - 19 Mar 2014 19:47 #141879
by Kohadre
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What's the difference between hunting and buying meat? was created by Kohadre
As some members on here are aware, I am pursuing my state mandated hunters education, and bow-hunters education in order to be able to purchase and use my first hunting license in the upcoming hunting season. I am doing this because hunting provides several advantages over simply buying meat from a store, such as I know that the meat I am buying is healthy and fresh, It only costs me 22 cents for small game such as rabbit, or larger game such as coyote (Which is still edible even though most would rather not consume it). Coyote is obviously not commercially available, but that same 22 cent rabbit would cost as much as an entire tin of ammo (15$) if I were to buy it commercially.
On top of the cost advantages, there is the ethical advantage. The animals I kill are not raised in closed pens and bred for the sole purpose of being slaughtered for possible consumption (as we all know a great deal of meat is just thrown away by markets)
Many people take offense and have an aversion to hunting. I have seen this in both the attitudes of the people I interact with on a daily basis, as well as the animal rights activists who comment on YouTube videos and say that the hunter should be brutally and horribly killed for humanely killing an animal they intended to consume. These same people buy packaged meat that was raised in a slaughterhouse and placed on the store shelf for their convenient consumption.
So, thus asks the question. What is the real difference between hunting and buying meat? Either way, you are still killing or supporting the direct killing of an animal for your use and/or consumption. At least in hunting, you take part in all parts of the process, where as with buying it from a store you feed into the illusion that somehow the meat just appeared there after the magical meat fairy placed it there. Killing is killing, whether done directly or via proxy.
Or am I just misguided in thinking all of this and it is really much more complex/simple than I thought?
On top of the cost advantages, there is the ethical advantage. The animals I kill are not raised in closed pens and bred for the sole purpose of being slaughtered for possible consumption (as we all know a great deal of meat is just thrown away by markets)
Many people take offense and have an aversion to hunting. I have seen this in both the attitudes of the people I interact with on a daily basis, as well as the animal rights activists who comment on YouTube videos and say that the hunter should be brutally and horribly killed for humanely killing an animal they intended to consume. These same people buy packaged meat that was raised in a slaughterhouse and placed on the store shelf for their convenient consumption.
So, thus asks the question. What is the real difference between hunting and buying meat? Either way, you are still killing or supporting the direct killing of an animal for your use and/or consumption. At least in hunting, you take part in all parts of the process, where as with buying it from a store you feed into the illusion that somehow the meat just appeared there after the magical meat fairy placed it there. Killing is killing, whether done directly or via proxy.
Or am I just misguided in thinking all of this and it is really much more complex/simple than I thought?
So long and thanks for all the fish
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19 Mar 2014 19:29 #141881
by Jestor
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Replied by Jestor on topic What's the difference between hunting and buying meat?
Things are always as complicated, or easy, as we make them...
I like eating meat...
Not beef so.much, but, chicken, fish, and just about every other kind I've had...
I guess beef is OK, just prefer the others...
Good luck on your upcoming first hunt...
I like eating meat...
Not beef so.much, but, chicken, fish, and just about every other kind I've had...
I guess beef is OK, just prefer the others...
Good luck on your upcoming first hunt...

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19 Mar 2014 19:37 #141882
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The packaging?
Seriously though. Hunting an animal for food/use of its hide etc is understandable.
Hunting for sport I do not care for.
When I hunt, I also thank the animal for its sacrifice, I honor the animal and give thanks. Many do not do so. It is part of the cycle of life, but it is necessary for survival.
I also use the whole animal, the hides I tan and the bones are used for making things. Very little gets wasted.
Good luck with your hunt and aim true ensuring a quick and merciful kill shot.
Seriously though. Hunting an animal for food/use of its hide etc is understandable.
Hunting for sport I do not care for.
When I hunt, I also thank the animal for its sacrifice, I honor the animal and give thanks. Many do not do so. It is part of the cycle of life, but it is necessary for survival.
I also use the whole animal, the hides I tan and the bones are used for making things. Very little gets wasted.
Good luck with your hunt and aim true ensuring a quick and merciful kill shot.
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19 Mar 2014 20:05 #141884
by Kit
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I don't hunt. Mostly because I'd rather spend my patience elsewhere
but as an animal lover, I personally have no issues with the hunting of animals with the intent to consume. I don't like pure trophy hunting, but as long as you're going to use the animal and strive for that one shot kill, Then enjoy

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19 Mar 2014 20:27 #141887
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I hunt for meat when able...I don't believe in "sport"hunting...
Just got a 150lb crossbow...already have a couple of rifles...
Wild meat tastes better, but requires more thorough cooking....
Now my tummy is rumbling fiercely :evil:
Just got a 150lb crossbow...already have a couple of rifles...
Wild meat tastes better, but requires more thorough cooking....
Now my tummy is rumbling fiercely :evil:
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19 Mar 2014 20:52 #141890
by rugadd
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Replied by rugadd on topic What's the difference between hunting and buying meat?
Hunting or small farm livestock is fine with me. Trophy hunting crosses a line. I think the reason I still pick things up at the store is because I haven't sufficiently horrified myself over the meat industries practices yet. Fast food, too.
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19 Mar 2014 20:56 #141891
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I would rather animals were allowed to live wild and hunted for food than intensively reared for meat. The problem is our society's demand for cheap meat is so high animal welfare/quality of life is sacrificed to save a few bucks (no pun intended..).
Trophy hunting and factory farming are both deeply unpleasant to me.
Trophy hunting and factory farming are both deeply unpleasant to me.
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19 Mar 2014 21:14 #141896
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Hunting is an important skill imo, but I'd be vegetarian before actually hunting for fun or food, but I do buy meat :blush:
I think they are both really different, hunting is more personal and can have a greater immediate effect and represent a more direct expression of ones self - but buying into the mass slavery and slaughter of the meat industry seems much worse, but more detached. People tend to live in cities these days, where the only option is to buy it.
I've managed to exclude beef, cow and fish meat from my diet, and gotten down to only free range egg's and chickens. I guess a theoretical ideal might be something like an elderly animal near death takes its last sleep on my back porch, but well that's not going to happen and would not be sustainable farming practice either I bet!!
Any guidelines for spiritual hunting practices modeled on human ethics and morality might contradict the process of natural selection. Perhaps the 'ethical hunter' is someone who learns about the social dynamics of the creatures and pick's the one's which represent overtly counter-productive behaviour to that group, perhaps selfishness and laziness or act's of violence for pleasure etc!? Looking broader in the same theme we might see the same trend represent the foundation for pest control, which is supposed to be helpful to the wider community of animals.
I think they are both really different, hunting is more personal and can have a greater immediate effect and represent a more direct expression of ones self - but buying into the mass slavery and slaughter of the meat industry seems much worse, but more detached. People tend to live in cities these days, where the only option is to buy it.
I've managed to exclude beef, cow and fish meat from my diet, and gotten down to only free range egg's and chickens. I guess a theoretical ideal might be something like an elderly animal near death takes its last sleep on my back porch, but well that's not going to happen and would not be sustainable farming practice either I bet!!
Any guidelines for spiritual hunting practices modeled on human ethics and morality might contradict the process of natural selection. Perhaps the 'ethical hunter' is someone who learns about the social dynamics of the creatures and pick's the one's which represent overtly counter-productive behaviour to that group, perhaps selfishness and laziness or act's of violence for pleasure etc!? Looking broader in the same theme we might see the same trend represent the foundation for pest control, which is supposed to be helpful to the wider community of animals.
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19 Mar 2014 22:19 #141898
by Alexandre Orion
Replied by Alexandre Orion on topic What's the difference between hunting and buying meat?
This has been an interesting read ...
But I just wanted you to know that I saw the title : "What's the difference between hunting and buying meat ?"
My first thought was ... :huh: 'Isn't it evident ?'
Besides, they really hate it and haul you off to institutions (either penal or mental) when you go shooting the meat in the supermarket ...
:S ... I guess ~
But I just wanted you to know that I saw the title : "What's the difference between hunting and buying meat ?"
My first thought was ... :huh: 'Isn't it evident ?'
Besides, they really hate it and haul you off to institutions (either penal or mental) when you go shooting the meat in the supermarket ...
:S ... I guess ~
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19 Mar 2014 23:20 - 19 Mar 2014 23:21 #141901
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Ah, man, I had a really funny "lamebook" post to do with this. Basically someone posted "Why don't people get meat from the grocery store where no animals were harmed?". :huh:
I grew up on a farm (grazing sheep and cows) so I'd just like to point out that most farm practises are nothing like what is portrayed to you by organisations like PETA. We don't deliberately torture animals. Nor are they killed inhumanely. Having said that, my experience is from a family-owned farm which may have different practises to the "factory farms" (cue imperial death march tune).
I've never had a problem with someone hunting for food as long as the animal is killed humanely. So, in answer to OP's question, I would say the main difference is that, in hunting, you can't always guarantee a quick, clean kill. It's ironic, though, because there's no such thing as a quick clean kill in nature. Ummm... the following spoiler contains my observations of the cruelty of nature. Not for the squeamish!
So in the scheme of things, if you "wing" a rabbit and it scoots off into the bushes and it takes a few minutes to die... well, it's still better than some of the alternatives, isn't it???
As mentioned, trophy hunting seems wrong but then, who are we to judge another person's actions and desires?
The other main issue with hunting is to make sure that it's done sustainably. One example I'm thinking of is fishing. In Australia we have a fairly well-regulated fishing industry to ensure that species are not hunted to extinction. That's not the case in many parts of the world. Sharks, in particular, are being over-hunted in many of the Earth's oceans. Following this "sustainability" argument to its conclusion has interesting consequences, though. The Japanese whalers argue that they are hunting whales in a way that is sustainable and humane.
Just looking back to the home page, I find this:
I sometimes wonder if this statement is encouraging us to eat less meat. Then again, carrots are alive too!
I grew up on a farm (grazing sheep and cows) so I'd just like to point out that most farm practises are nothing like what is portrayed to you by organisations like PETA. We don't deliberately torture animals. Nor are they killed inhumanely. Having said that, my experience is from a family-owned farm which may have different practises to the "factory farms" (cue imperial death march tune).
I've never had a problem with someone hunting for food as long as the animal is killed humanely. So, in answer to OP's question, I would say the main difference is that, in hunting, you can't always guarantee a quick, clean kill. It's ironic, though, because there's no such thing as a quick clean kill in nature. Ummm... the following spoiler contains my observations of the cruelty of nature. Not for the squeamish!
Warning: Spoiler!
I've seen crows peck the eyes out of a sick sheep that would've taken days more for it to die if I hadn't found it. Foxes can attack a ewe (mother sheep) while they're lambing and basically eat them from the inside out. Flies and maggots will eat an animal alive. Old age, even, for an animal, seems a cruel way to die. The teeth of a sheep fall out over the years so that an old sheep basically starves to death because they can no longer chew grass.
As mentioned, trophy hunting seems wrong but then, who are we to judge another person's actions and desires?
The other main issue with hunting is to make sure that it's done sustainably. One example I'm thinking of is fishing. In Australia we have a fairly well-regulated fishing industry to ensure that species are not hunted to extinction. That's not the case in many parts of the world. Sharks, in particular, are being over-hunted in many of the Earth's oceans. Following this "sustainability" argument to its conclusion has interesting consequences, though. The Japanese whalers argue that they are hunting whales in a way that is sustainable and humane.
Just looking back to the home page, I find this:
Jedi believe in the Force, and in the inherent worth of all life within it.
I sometimes wonder if this statement is encouraging us to eat less meat. Then again, carrots are alive too!
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