Forest and Trees

Maybe to see the forest rather than the trees is to include the trees? versus rather than the trees?

beyond intellectual philosophy there is instinct

Mareeka wrote: beyond intellectual philosophy there is instinct

There sure is !

(and I'm glad to see someone admit the "instinct" again in relation to human beings -- anti-Darwinism objected so strongly that we started using "drives", a mechanistic term)

Thanks Alex . . all I know about Darwin and drives is that he drove a lot of boxes each with space between others AND within wtihin and without without . . . how is find your box and drive it working for humanity? lol

okay . .i give . .it has helped in some forms of physical science.

Actually, Darwin didn't do much of what he gets blamed for ... He was a scientist with an avid curiosity, but he was also a moralist (not to be confused with "moraliser") who did not just lump us in with a bunch of animals even if discovering that our species originated in a quite similar way with all the others. Herbert Spencer was the architect of much of that rubbish that gets called "Darwinism" even nowadays ...

oh it was Spencer eh?

Thanks this interests me.
Looking at turning points and branches is helpful.

There is a book that you may enjoy -- the author is a delightful little old lady from Newcastle (who has a biting wit !), Mary Midgley. The book is called "Are You an Illusion ?"

It is a fascinating bit of writing ...

Does she laugh at the impractical side of metaphysical discourse?
Like when one recognizes what an illusion means then dismisses unwanted experiences or experience that the one can't explain as "just an illusion anyway" LOL to the point there is no meaningful relation with anyone?

Perhaps there is an example of forest and trees here . . lol