The Vision of Knighthood

Senan wrote: For me the name "knight" is less about the title and more about the tradition it comes from and the idea it is built on, chivalry. As a knight, one should be expected to live by a very ideal code of conduct. A knight will be held to a much higher standard when being judged by that code of conduct. It is why the title "knight" is an honorable one that must be earned.

So as it applies to Jedi, a Jedi Knight is one who has an understanding of our ideal code of conduct and has demonstrated that they are committed to living their life accordingly. Along with the title, they also accept that they should and will be judged by a higher standard than other Jedi.

In the middle ages, the definition and moral code of a knight could vary from kingdom to kingdom. Just as it was in medieval times, the definition of "Jedi Knight" will vary from organization to organization of Jedi.

Right. Just as one's Vision will change They all reflect the same ideals but it is both humbling and informative to seek inwards and see how our personal Vision aligns with the orders Some people will find that they really are not Knights and are something else like Dai Bendu or Healer. These exercizes I always found useful for inner reflections

Peace

I was responding to your post, that's why. I saw your purpose was to have people make up their own, and I questioned that need. But, since this is a game, I can understand what's going on. Sorry for taking up space in your thread.

Kitsu Tails wrote:

Proteus wrote:

Kitsu Tails wrote: Ok guys! Next Game: Describe in one Paragraph what the "Vision" of a Jedi Knight, is.

Think of the Vision like a kind of Mission Statement. Something that the Jedi Knight is aspiring to achieve for himself, the public and community.

Actually, we have a Knight's Code here.

The Knight's Code wrote: A Knight is sworn to valour.
His heart knows only virtue.
His blade defends the helpless.
His word speaks only truth.
His shield shelters the forsaken.
His courage gives hope to the despairing.
His justice undoes the wicked.
His image brings peace.
His code breaks the darkness,
His legend brings light.

It is recited at each Knighting as a mission statement of sorts, on its own, for each Knight to consider and stand by.

The goal was for everyone to make up their own

Why?

Do you see Knight as separate from Jedi, then...Connor?

It is in my opinion that it is healthy and educative to every so often flex those brain muscles and think for yourself rather than blindly follow predetermined Codes, Rules, Vows and Visions. As Jedi we should be able to think and act of our own accord and value our own self definitions of things. If the Predefined Mission Statement matches with your own then whats the fuss about? Have you never grown up doing mind games before?

Flexing brain muscles is good. Understanding and living up to codes is a lot harder. It may be easy to imagine that those that have become Knights of Jediism blindly follow predetermined codes for those that do not yet understand what it is they follow. Dedication and service to an idea, code, vow or ideals may be confused as blind dedication but it is more like existing in and within it.
Jedi should think for themselves and act in accordance with what they believe. And that is what most people do whether they are Jedi or not. How many people act in accordance with what is not in their belief scheme and value system? Knights of Jediism do not just believe that we each should act in accordance with our values but also attempt to live by the understanding of a higher standard that is shown us in the Force. Where the individual may have a value system that allows them to steal from one another and still be in accordance with their own belief system; and a Jedi may see this as an act that has the possibility of causing harm to another (not saying wrong or right or morally condemning) a Knight of Jediism should be the defense of those that can not defend themselves. A Knight of Jediism should not only live the path but should be an example others look to, a servant of the Force to all and a force that acts when others fail or will not.

Wescli Wardest wrote: Why?

Because I can? Because its fun? Because its Educative? Because I want to?

....It was just a game. So sorry for ruffling feathers of the oh so serious.

Thank you to everyone else who participated I loved them all, its so wonderful to see the creativity of others. Great work!

Mine:
A Jedi Knight seeks Rectitude in Mind, Body & Spirit. He or She endeavors to harmonize with The Force through Meditation (Mind), Training (Body) & The Journey (Spirit). He or She places themselves into the Service of those in need of leadership (Mind), Guidance (Body) and Support (Spirit). And actively works towards the improvement of his or her path as a Jedi Knight dependent on his or her Orders needs and requirements at the time.

:silly:

My vision for knighthood would probably be something like this:

To embrace the multiplicity of life in the cosmos
To live in harmony with that diverse life in the universe
To recognize and mitigate the suffering I cause other lifeforms
To prevent and and minimize the suffering of marginalized beings where ever they may be
To foster focus, knowledge, and understanding in all who would seek it
To promote balance in a polarized world

Jamie Stick wrote:

Joke Vision

Prepare for trouble!
Make it double!
To protect the world from devastation!
To unite all peoples within our nation!
To denounce the evils of truth and love!
To extend our reach to the stars above!
Jedi Knight, blast off at the speed of light!
Surrender now, or prepare to fight!

:silly:

My vision for knighthood would probably be something like this:

To embrace the multiplicity of life in the cosmos
To live in harmony with that diverse life in the universe
To recognize and mitigate the suffering I cause other lifeforms
To prevent and and minimize the suffering marginalized beings where ever they may be
To foster focus, knowledge, and understanding in all who would seek it
To promote balance in a polarized world

hahahaha!!! I love the Joke version!! Also love your own

Mitakuye Oyasin

Kitsu Tails wrote: The goal was for everyone to make up their own

oh ok.

then:

Proteus wrote: Be here now.

Kitsu Tails wrote:

Wescli Wardest wrote: Why?

Because I can? Because its fun? Because its Educative? Because I want to?

....It was just a game. So sorry for ruffling feathers of the oh so serious.

Just curious.

Not meaning t put anyone on the defensive.

Be a jedi in mind,body,and spirit

Be a knight in mind,body,and spirit

Be yourself in mind,body,and spirit

Be a jedi knight yourself in mind,body,and spirit...

i read somewhere that wiccans are witches but witches arent necessarily wiccans

i see the same with knighthood and jedi

i think first of all that i see a balancing act between the ideas that being a jedi is a matter of results, accomishment, tangible growth

and simply being commited to the jedi path

is a person who's behavior is clearly selfish undisciplined and shallow a jedi because they say they are a jedi?

obviously its not my place to tell someone what they are or are not

but for myself i know i am jedi because of the principals i am commited to and the methodoloy that i use to attain and embody those principals

not to say i exemplify them perfectly at all times, but that my commitment is to exemplify them at all times.

i see the rank system as being
1) person who is not jedi but curious about what jedi means

2) person who has found a jedi community or access to jedi philosophy and is "testing the water" in jedi thought

these will be influenced more or less by core jedi tenents or their perception of the "jedi" they interact with.
usually it will be a blend of both but there are those who will merely socialize and use this as their introduction to what it means to be jedi without spendig much time on the coursework
and there are those very rare but real few who will dive into the course work and never post so much as a single reply to a single thread.

it is the work however which makes on a jedi imo

not the course work or IP per se, but the work of understanding the things that the IP is conveying and integrating this understanding into ones behavior

at some point a person is either commited to the path or theyre really just a groupie
even groupies will grow however so respect is always appropriate imo

3) once a person has a basic understanding of the core value and has made a sincere commitment to those values they are in effect a jedi, though not usually a developed one

4) after consistant pursuit of jedi principals and the exploration and practice of methodology, there comes a time when one has actually developed into a legitimate but fledgeling jedi

this is similar to being awarded a black belt in many traditional martial arts
it means one has really learned and internalized the foundation, and the real training can begin!

the gains one has made by this point are such that even if this is where one stops growing they will still live a mostly deliberate and most definitely meaningful life.

5) at this stage a person will see clearly that their lives reflect their jedi teachings
also they will have taken responsibility for their own welfare and initiative
their lives will be relatively ordered and they will be growing in a deliberate fashion towards goals beyond the jedi path which they chose with care and self awareness so that these goals represent the true expression of their innermost character, rather than just something they feel obligated to or just fall into

this is where the distinctiln of knighthood can be made imo

the word KNIGHT has specific meanings

it doesnt necessarily mean one uses martial methodology to serve
obut it DOES mean that ones primary life commitment is to service, to the extent that one is completely willing to put their life on the line if it is a requisite of their service

i dont belive i will ever change my view on that

a jedi in general ought to spend considerable energy resolving themselves to the reality of their own personal death, but a knight imo is a warrior by definition and there is no compromise that a requirement of the rank is the willingness to face and accept personal death in ones commitment to serve

this is always what gives a warrior the impetus to be the best of themselves
because they know that their life will depend on their prowess and their adaptability

also the resolution to accept ones death empties one of a huge quantity of shallow and petty thinking and relating with others
this is why warriors are respected as strong and honorable people, because they think and act from a place which realizes their own death

i would add that knighthood is an option and not a mandate and that the jedi path has any number of ways one may be an empowered and respected personage


thats my vision of knighthood
thanks for reading