Force Powers

Rosalyn J wrote: I used to be as stubborn

Stubborn? You really consider me stubborn in this? It's funny how I'm having more and more people PM me and tell me to give in and basically shut up. Now you tell me I'm stubborn after I say I want to meld my beliefs with others. I thought you someone I could call friend but honestly I question that now. I thought this was a melting pot of ideas and philosophies. But more and more I'm feeling myself being slowly dismantled and reshaped into what YOU want me to be, not what I want to become!! This place is seeming more and more like a cult.

...you really just aren't listening.

steamboat28 wrote: ...you really just aren't listening.

Then honestly please correct my misunderstanding g?

Fyxe you may keep your ideas , I don't think anyone here said specifically to forget everything you know and if they did then they clearly don't know what it means to take the name of Jedi . We except everyone from all aspects of life . Whether or not they believe in what you believe or something else does not mean we need to exclude them from here ! The others words may seem a bit crude but I will elaborate . What everyone is saying no we don't want to mind-wash you to believing in our way but we would think , since you came here looking for guidance in the force hear our side of the story . This is for open discussion if anyone can't be civil in these than please don't comment on the subject or politely disagree and try to be nice on the matter . Don't harass people just because they have different views that is not very Jedi of you ! And for the people who is trying to silence fyxe I know you mean well by it and are trying to stop this whole debacle but you are upsetting fyxe and others as well as making them feel excluded from the community . Now what needs to be said on this is I respectfully disagree with your ideas and move on that's it . The main question is could you teach me how to use telekinesis and was answered no several times . If you would like to continue the matter on force powers than create a new thread and continue there but keep it civil ! Please stop arguing and calling people names !!! Even the original person who made this thread acknowledge that this has went to far so enough is enough .

Fyxe wrote:

Rosalyn J wrote: I used to be as stubborn

Stubborn? You really consider me stubborn in this? It's funny how I'm having more and more people PM me and tell me to give in and basically shut up. Now you tell me I'm stubborn after I say I want to meld my beliefs with others. I thought you someone I could call friend but honestly I question that now. I thought this was a melting pot of ideas and philosophies. But more and more I'm feeling myself being slowly dismantled and reshaped into what YOU want me to be, not what I want to become!! This place is seeming more and more like a cult.

That's alright if you don't want to call me a friend. I'm in no way offended. I'll work on the IP alone and you work on your fruit salad. Best of luck

Ya know right here should be said in a pm and not this thread and yes I know I am in no position to say this but please drop the subject before it gets escalated again . Keep things civil , if you two want to declare this please feel free to do it in a pm .

Fyxe wrote: Then honestly please correct my misunderstanding g?

We've all been trying. The issue isn't that people are attacking you or your beliefs, it's that you're attached to the belief that they are. You say you want to learn, and to open your mind, but you're not letting go of ideas that aren't serving you.

It's a hard road, and it's not walked overnight. Try the IP out to see if you can find a way to examine your beliefs in your own mind, and temper your expectations and interpretations of how others are speaking to you with the knowledge that you might have to let go of assumptions to get anywhere.

Wait i thought you said you had the gift already?

No i can't sorry yet i hope you find someone who can help you if that is something you wish to seek.

@Mira: Just a forum tip ^^. When you hit "quick reply" it doesn't actually tag the person you're talking to. As I'm not 100% sure who you're addressing, I'm sure the same goes of the person you're actually trying to talk to. There's a "quote" function under the "Action" button that can help you target who it is you're wanting to address in the future. ^^

To actually add to the OP in a semi-meaningful way, I feel like RL Jedi "powers" look less like Yoda and more like Chirrut Îmwe: mastery of self and a balance of control and understanding
of mind, body, and spirit. Not flashy things for the sake of power or convenience, but true power of an internal kind, the sort that tempers us so that we can carve out a new world with our intentions.

Would the various participants in this debate consider Reiki a "Force Power"? Why/why not?

Reiki is one of many divisive topics in this Temple. As energy work in general has skeptics and adherents both here, that might be a partial answer, but it depends on one's definition of The Force.

Personally, I believe Reiki to be the least effective energetic healing paradigm and find it full of snake oil and bullcrap, but that's a complicated conversation.

Sure, I take your point. I suppose the point I was aiming at was - we are criticising some for their beliefs in practices or ideas with little/no scientific evidence. I believe from other threads that some of those same people also believe in things like Reiki, energy work etc which I feel are in a similar category, but are certainly widely discussed or advocated here.

I suppose my question is... where is the line?

For me, all abilities are in some sense "Force powers" as for me all that is, is of the Force. When the OP asked if we can teach them "Force powers" I think teaching humility, compassion, kindness, self reflection would be fair answers. I think some here could teach Reiki or other forms of energy work (for example), which would meet many more people's perception of "Force powers".

I would call reike force healing. This power has many other names so why not this one for jedi?


Steamboat? What other forms of healing do you find more powerful?

forestjedi wrote: Sure, I take your point. I suppose the point I was aiming at was - we are criticising some for their beliefs in practices or ideas with little/no scientific evidence. I believe from other threads that some of those same people also believe in things like Reiki, energy work etc which I feel are in a similar category, but are certainly widely discussed or advocated here.

I suppose my question is... where is the line?

By the looks of it, there isn't one. I wouldn't say that Reiki or other forms of "energy work" enjoy vastly more advocacy than telekinesis or divination does. Sure, all of those things come up because someone brings them up, but the Temple's official stance makes no distinction in this regard and for the most part the same criticisms are raised against them. At most one might argue that if we are talking about some sort of tradition with somewhat established rituals, depending on what they involve there may be some claims we can actually make about the practice's benefit, as we can with some forms of meditation for its relaxing effects, for instance. Of course vague "Force powers" cannot enjoy that privilege until narrowed down to concrete practices. "Telekinesis", to point at something mentioned once or twice in this thread, is also defined in terms of its supposed effects rather than the methods by which they can allegedly be reached. Again we can discuss the merits of the methods any one acolyte employs, but of the "power" itself we can say little more than that so far it made no confirmed appearance in nature.

I think some here could teach Reiki or other forms of energy work (for example), which would meet many more people's perception of "Force powers".

Maybe they could, maybe they could not, and that is for each of them to arrange on their own time and through their own channels, if they choose so. For now, the Temple does not officially promote it nor offer a platform for it, despite propositions towards it in the past. I'm sure there are good reasons for it, too, though I'll abstain from speculating as to which ones specifically were used to justify that decision back then.

Fyxe wrote: Steamboat? What other forms of healing do you find more powerful?

Literally all of them. Reiki is an expensive pack of lies at worst and an absurdly expensive placebo at best. The legends don't line up with history at all, the methods don't follow actual energetic work theory, and on the accidental occasion that it does work, it's because they came to the right conclusion with the wrong process.

It's a pyramid scheme. And I say this as a certified master. Every other form of energy healing is more effective.

steamboat28 wrote:

Fyxe wrote: Steamboat? What other forms of healing do you find more powerful?

Literally all of them. Reiki is an expensive pack of lies at worst and an absurdly expensive placebo at best. The legends don't line up with history at all, the methods don't follow actual energetic work theory, and on the accidental occasion that it does work, it's because they came to the right conclusion with the wrong process.

It's a pyramid scheme. And I say this as a certified master. Every other form of energy healing is more effective.

Well you didnt answer the question. Can you name these other systems? How do I know what your talking about if you have no names? I cant study "literally all of them" as you say

forestjedi wrote: .... For me, all abilities are in some sense "Force powers" as for me all that is, is of the Force. When the OP asked if we can teach them "Force powers" I think teaching humility, compassion, kindness, self reflection would be fair answers. I think some here could teach Reiki or other forms of energy work (for example), which would meet many more people's perception of "Force powers".

This is a valuable teaching, imo. It's hard to deny that we humans are fascinated by the image of magical acts that shatter the limits of what we consider possible, whether we are skeptics or believers. Performers like David Copperfield make a phenomenal living based on that characteristic we share.

But if we affix our attention too heavily on magical phenomena, we may overlook the miracle of the ordinary. Breathing, when you think about it, is a pretty impressive force power; it happens without the aid of our will, and sustains life constantly. Just because everybody can do it and it takes no learning doesn't mean it's not a force power.

Those that ForestJedi listed are pretty important too. They are powers within the reach of everyone, but only developed by some. But the one who breaks his leg falling off of a bicycle would probably be much more appreciative of someone helping him to get medical care than by their levitation of his bike.

I'd not want to discourage anyone from testing the boundaries of the possible ... but at the same time we should not forget the miracle of ordinary things.

My main issue with people asking about such powers is that they want them for very selfish reasons at first--power, validation, impressing others. That's a natural instinct, and nothing to be ashamed of in the strictest sense.

However, the Jedi path (at it's best) is a selfless one. So, goals shift from power to impress to power to help; from validation to charity

I'm attempting to help in encouraging that shift, and I think I might be doing it wrong.