Force Powers

OH! very cool! thanks Rosalyn! I never saw that before!

ZealotX wrote: If Radin is not lending credence to "force powers" then is he in this video at least revealing something I don't already know about quantum physics? If so, I'll watch.

Mhh, probably not. He barely even talks about quantum theory at all. Frankly, if instead of the double slit setup he bought he had said there was some other kind of device he was testing psychic manipulations of, I can't think of a way how that would make the claim different. The quantum is in there mostly for the woo factor, but it's not anywhere near present enough to matter anyhow. So I doubt you'd learn much about quantum physics from it unless you really never heard of any of it before. I frankly learned more about psychological experimental methods and controls from it than about quantum physics...

Would it be too much, Fyxe, to ask you to consider alternative options as opposed to jumping to conclusions which paint a place you are trying to learn from in a bad light?

Rosalyn J wrote: Would it be too much, Fyxe, to ask you to consider alternative options as opposed to jumping to conclusions which paint a place you are trying to learn from in a bad light?

What do you mean? I want to consider alternative options always? Did I jump to a conclusion in someplace?

See here

https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Health-physical-fitness-and-wellbeing/123109-force-powers?start=170#346237

ok?? what does it mean?

You saw mention of "Christian Jedi"; nothing beyond the fact that they exist, assumed they were not only here but given special space and privelage over everyone else, secretly running this place, and instead of checking to see if any of that was true, you just ran with it. That's what that means.

You can't learn much of anything operating like that.

I'm starting to see a new pattern, here, and I'd rather be helpful if I can. It seems like you either want or just need more direct instruction, I've noticed others are willing to point you directly to some things, here, and you respond pretty well to that. We don't do dedicated one-on-one instruction, you don't qualify for apprenticeship until you reach the rank of Initiate, and even the apprentices frequently are one of multiple students commanding the attention of their masters. But, in spite of how these conversations are going, most of us ARE open to being helpful, however we can.

I think we all could have been saved a lot of grief if either: someone pointed you to metaphysical studies in the first place, or, you had asked someone directly, where within the temple could I go for discussion of this pet topic of mine? Not, "When do I get powers?" That horse is dead, but, "I want to talk about this, where can I do that?"

I'm actually surprised none of us thought to do that sooner...

Rather than keep telling you about how I don't like your attitude, which has worked so well for myself and others (I'm being sarcastic, there), I would advise you to explore this place, and get a feel for it, and whoever you prefer to work with more directly for assistance, well, just ask, man.

Well no actually I saw a Christian jedi thing in the name thread from one of the founders.. I think? And then james asked me the question to which I replied honestly for clarification only to find he was just teasing me again as well. I want to fit in but I cant seem to find a rhythm here that anyone likes. I never knew about the meta place cuz it's like buried in another forum like in the back of that. So I never looked that far and I dont even know if I had access before I was a member. There seems to be lots of new places after that available and its sorta overwhelming to keep up. I asked rosalyn if we could do ip stuff together but not sure how that would work?

Ok, well, as a member, you should have access to the Discord, where we have a chat dedicated to "IP Study Hall", so there's that, and if you take some time to search through the forums, you might find a similar resource right here in the Temple.

Like I said, the IP is structured and set up to be done on your own initiative, and at your own pace. If you've got someone willing to work with you directly, awesome, it's just not the default practice here.

It sounds like things are starting to make a morepositive turn, here. Don't be in too big a rush to fit in, you'll find your niche, eventually.

Very much good and maybe I come on too strong but I'm excited to be here. For the record i have NEVER said anyone must believe as i do. I understood this was an all encompassing place that accepted all weird beliefs and wanted to share mine. I was shocked at responses. People accusing me of dictating and not having the empty cup thing. So what if my cup is full though? I just asked for opinions not that YOU MUST BELIEVE LIKE ME! but people jumping to this all the time and make me feel hubris and all I wanted was interaction.

I'm starting to get that. Like I said, consider taking some time to explore this place- don't interact, just explore, and figure out where you want to be, then go from there.

Dakini wrote: I, too, was awakened spiritually by their teachings, especially on the stones and chakras.

Oh yes stones are an incredibly powerful source of ancient knowledge! Some of the new age crystal stuff has gone a bit wonky but if you can center on the deep wisdom of the stones much can be learned. They are a source and guide for considerably enlightening spirit journies!

Fyxe wrote: So what if my cup is full though?

Allow me to present a less traditional analogy:

You have two hands. In each, you're holding an orange. You ask us for an apple. You refuse to put down your oranges, though, so you cannot take the apple. You don't have a free hand with which to accept it.

You need to let go of some of your oranges (preconceived notions) in order to accept the apple of teaching offered here.

Does this make sense?

it might be wiser, now, to start a new thread in a more appropriate area of the forums. I'll leave that to whoever chooses to do so, now that we've established that such places exist.

steamboat28 wrote:

Fyxe wrote: So what if my cup is full though?

Allow me to present a less traditional analogy:

You have two hands. In each, you're holding an orange. You ask us for an apple. You refuse to put down your oranges, though, so you cannot take the apple. You don't have a free hand with which to accept it.

You need to let go of some of your oranges (preconceived notions) in order to accept the apple of teaching offered here.

Does this make sense?

Yes but my point is, am I required to take your apple in order to be accepted here or can I come in here with my two oranges and still be a jedi in your eyes? Is this place prejudice against my oranges or accepting that i prefer oranges over apples?

Please tell me what makes your apple (notions) better than my oranges?

Fyxe wrote:

steamboat28 wrote:

Fyxe wrote: So what if my cup is full though?

Allow me to present a less traditional analogy:

You have two hands. In each, you're holding an orange. You ask us for an apple. You refuse to put down your oranges, though, so you cannot take the apple. You don't have a free hand with which to accept it.

You need to let go of some of your oranges (preconceived notions) in order to accept the apple of teaching offered here.

Does this make sense?

Yes but my point is, am I required to take your apple in order to be accepted here or can I come in here with my two oranges and still be a jedi in your eyes? Is this place prejudice against my oranges or accepting that i prefer oranges over apples?

Please tell me what makes your apple (notions) better than my oranges?

Eh, that's a really iffy analogy on your part, fyxe. Perhaps more useful to just say, "No thanks, I'm good for now, nice apples, though", since that seems to be where you're at? just do you, and remember that the apples are available when you've finished with the oranges?

After all, it's right there in the first teaching- "We are forever learning". No one's telling you to empty your cup right now, or to abandon your oranges, just know, eventually, you'll notice more room in the cup, or a hand has become free. You've got free refills, and we have plenty apples to share

Fyxe wrote: Please tell me what makes your apple (notions) better than my oranges?

Because you're literally asking for the apples.

steamboat28 wrote:

Fyxe wrote: Please tell me what makes your apple (notions) better than my oranges?

Because you're literally asking for the apples.

I dont want to get rid of the orange though. I want to add the apple and the banana and strawberries and grapes and stuff to make a fruit salad!!

I used to be as stubborn

Fyxe wrote:
For the record i have NEVER said anyone must believe as i do.

I understood this was an all encompassing place that accepted all weird beliefs and wanted to share mine.

I was shocked at responses. People accusing me of dictating and not having the empty cup thing. So what if my cup is full though? I just asked for opinions not that YOU MUST BELIEVE LIKE ME! but people jumping to this all the time and make me feel hubris and all I wanted was interaction.

What you've been getting is interaction.

You are right that this place is accepting and welcomes all who are willing to participate within the bounds of common courtesy and the terms of service.

And you are most certainly welcome to share your weird beliefs.

But this isn't supposed to be your private echo chamber, where you can say anything and people will just nod along and say "far out man!". Expect people to disagree with you. Expect people to want you to explain your theories a bit more. This confrontation of ideas makes everyone grow.

That constant tossing around of fruit helps everyone decide what to keep and what to trim in order to make the best fruit salad.

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