Marijuana and its use

Well, when I had the opportunity to live in a medically legal state, I had a card for for its legal use, for chronic pain, and it helped incredibly. I wish I still lived there. Where I'm at now has no program what so ever and I find it difficult to deal with what I've got going on.

Marijuana is a drug it is that simple, what does it do?
change your reality,be it mood or perception. but it is still an illusion.
You may need that illusion at one time in your life.
to get passed a time when you can not cope.

but sooner or later you have to come back to the here and now.
this may be years it may be weeks,

as for the human spirit drugs will keep you lock in your body.
yes you may have visions but because you are under a drug
you will not know if good or bad sent them.

when you are at peace walking in the forest or near the sea
no drug, sex or drink can give you that truly feeling good about one self.
like nature can.

Br. John,tzb gentleman may i ask you both to meditate on the following
with your titles and rank i know it will have deep meaning.

the spirit(energy ) is immortal.
it love the light.
it worships beauty,of thought and deed.
and it has eternity to enjoy,
time to contemplate.
but the flesh is dark for the flesh knows it has not long to live.
against the time of the spirit the life of the flesh is like a lightning flash.
so it has little time to know pleasure,to taste the richness of life,lust ,greed or gain.
it wants to experience everything, and it cares for nothing save existence.

remo wrote: Marijuana is a drug it is that simple

False. It is a plant that has different uses: medicinal uses, drug uses, production uses (rope, paper, clothing etc).
Things are rarely as simple as you think. Please be mindful of this in your future studies.

Riyuma wrote:

remo wrote: Marijuana is a drug it is that simple

False. It is a plant that has different uses...

Each of which causes a physiological change to the body or body chemistry, which makes it a drug.

steamboat28 wrote:

Riyuma wrote:

remo wrote: Marijuana is a drug it is that simple

False. It is a plant that has different uses...

Each of which causes a physiological change to the body or body chemistry, which makes it a drug.

Because wearing clothing or using paper made of it gets you high....[/sarcasm]

Besides many foods make physiological changes to the body or body chemistry, are they drugs? According to your definition they are. Doesn't add up.

Glue can be abused to get high, but that't not a reason to call glue a drug. Etc etc etc

Riyuma wrote: Doesn't add up.

According to the most common English definition of the word "drug", it's a non-food substance introduced to the body to change body chemistry in some fashion, or cause some other physiological change. So, yes. Cannabinoids are drugs, regardless of whatever else you'd like to say about them. The question isn't whether they change body chemistry, it's how is it appropriate to harness those changes, if at all.

steamboat28 wrote:

Riyuma wrote: Doesn't add up.

According to the most common English definition of the word "drug", it's a non-food substance introduced to the body to change body chemistry in some fashion, or cause some other physiological change. So, yes. Cannabinoids are drugs, regardless of whatever else you'd like to say about them.

This can be countered in many ways. It is a plant and a edible one. Isn't this something that classifies it as a food?

If we're talking about non-food substances that are abused for its hallucinogenic effects, then the same applies to paint and glue. Even though they have other ways of use.

There are a lot of muhsrooms in the world. These are fungi. Some can take your world for a spin. Doesn't make them drugs. Same with a certain toad. Just because people lick its back and get high, doesn't mean the toad goes from an amphibian to a drug.

The question isn't whether they change body chemistry, it's how is it appropriate to harness those changes, if at all.

Was merely quoting you when you said "Each of which causes a physiological change to the body or body chemistry, which makes it a drug."

jake_sato wrote: I would love to hear the collective thoughts on this topic. The use of Marijuana for healing and or force sensitivity practice?

Like everything, it depends. It's a use or abused thing. It's been around for a long long time yet we seem to be turning out OK. There are always exceptions but if it was harming society it would be more obvious.

FYI I don't use it, mostly because I'd lose my job, but if it gets legalized I'd try it for my fibromyalgia pain.

The term drug seems to be best used in the US as anything introduced into the body for a non-nutrient effect. Other countries might tend to prefer to use the term 'medicine' for drugs used for medical effect, and I know where I live the term drug nearly only is used for illicit drugs. So it depends what the person might mean by using the term drug, as it is slightly ambiguous.

Do they mean anything introduced that isnt food, or anything illegal, or something psychoactive etc etc!! Avoiding ambiguity helps communication, but so to does recognizing when something is ambiguous and avoiding in response the assumption of any one particular thing that might be inferred is what is actually implied. It might be, but it might not. I know its something I have to try and keep on top of!!

Illicit drug's used recreationally are probably most always what is called psychoactive, and ones that impact those mechanisms of perception are usually called hallucinatory. Hallucinations can usefully IMO be dividied into psychedelic, deliriant and dissociative effects. I'd tend to put marijuana (depending on strength) into the major dissociative, mid range psychedelic and minor deliriant category, but that can vary across individuals and strength/strain, and to some extent the circumstances of use. I'd probably put alcohol, also a drug, as a major dissociative, zero psychedelic and zero deliriant? Something like LSD might be mid range dissociative, major psychedelic and minor deliriant... depending on strength etc.

So [strike]society[/strike] the law seems to accept dissociation as an acceptable recreational effect, but not psychedelia or delirium. Not all recreational drugs are hallucinatory though, but even some stimulants for example like some of amphetamine's can be. While I personally don't think any of them should be criminal, the impairment of 'intoxication' from any drug (including alcohol) use is a serious issue for everyone IMO. But education and culture can go a long way to avoid abuse while allowing use, if its supported in the right way.

Is it suitable for Jedi!!!? The question begs another question, should anyone dictate as law how people mediate their personal experience of reality if it does not nor is not likely to harm anyone? Considering there would be some people who could argue it is a type of psychological medicine, for example medical trials of ketamine helping some with serious depression and PTSD. Amphetamines are now prescribed for ADHD etc. So what is illusion and what is reality, it is all illusory from a certain point of view, so the question might be better about 'capacity to act' - which in that context really ends up putting marijuana on par with alcohol IMO, as both being dissociative.

IMO dissociation disconnects perception from reality, hallucination transforms perception of reality, deliriants are different but most usually and in simple terms 'break' perception of reality. So while some drug's like stimulants can 'increase' ones capacity to act, I've found that low range hallucination can sometimes inform rather then distort. So it's not as simple as illegal recreational drug = bad and useless, at least not in my experience. But there are lots of potential risks, many serious, some damaging long term, and quite a few fatal.... when messing with the most complex thing known in the universe - the human brain.

Anway, & therefore, short of ascetic denial of recreational drug use (including alcohol) to maintain a constant readiness to act, it seems unnecessary to 'outlaw' it from private recreational activity. Then the issue really becomes about education and product quality control, so people can make informed decisions and avoid harming themselves!! That would be the biggest thing for me in determining 'use'. The other thing is they are often prone to adverse interactions from polypharmacy (including fatal) and often easier to exceed safe dosages, those are both shared with alcohol to some extent also.

So its like alcohol is a soft drug which the law trust's the people to be able to handle, but anything more powerful is considered out of our capacity. To some extent this is true, but I don't think its a proactive approach and looking around the world it's not realisitc, and it's not working, and the current approach is causing incidents and accidents which might otherwise be avoided if we treated it all like informed responsible adults. That's how I view it anyway. Marijuana seems to be like the next softest thing next to alcohol. The US seems to be one of the most 'trusting' in this regard, it lets most everyone carry firearms for example which might be normal for folk in the US, but is a big sign of trust by the government (considering they are designed to do harm). And now many States are allowing marijuana use. I think it just needs to be treated sort of like a mix between alcohol and smoking; don't do it while working, don't do it while operating machinary (like driving), don't do it while having any duty of care, don't do it too much, don't do too much at once, don't do it in confined public spaces etc. Basically only do it at home or at relevant establishments for special occasions.

/wall of text :blink:

A special thanks to you all on this subject - I wish to create a video project approximately 1 hr in length - detailing the positives and negatives of marijuana, from a Jedi or force sensitive perspective.

Is there anyone interested in this venture? I would be looking to release the film - June 1 2017 -bow-

Riyuma wrote:

steamboat28 wrote:

Riyuma wrote:

remo wrote: Marijuana is a drug it is that simple

False. It is a plant that has different uses...

Each of which causes a physiological change to the body or body chemistry, which makes it a drug.

Because wearing clothing or using paper made of it gets you high....[/sarcasm]

Besides many foods make physiological changes to the body or body chemistry, are they drugs? According to your definition they are. Doesn't add up.

Glue can be abused to get high, but that't not a reason to call glue a drug. Etc etc etc

thank you for looking at the word"Riyuma" if the word drug is not to your liking i can use the word plant
but the out come is still the same.
in my steadies i look at the whole picture and meditate on facts, not emotional issues
as to the right or wrong of marijuana it has it purpose
if a person needs it to help them along their time line of their life
so be it.
but i am for better oneself were i can.
i have enjoyed all the comments of the subject and thank you all.

It has helped me tremendously with my ptsd. None of the medication the VA gave me ever helped. I was always sick or feeling sick and I was a total zombie. With the marijuana I can still function, but it still helps me be able to stay calm and think instead of becoming very agitated with any and all conflict.

Here's my basic premise: just like cigarettes, alcohol and (to some extent) even caffeine, marijuana makes people lose control and focus. Control and focus are what I'm after, however, so I'm not a fan. I don't believe in a ban - I'm a libertarian at heart. People should be allowed to do whatever they please as long as they don't harm others with their actions.

That said: sometimes one wishes to forfeit control and accept any consequences connected with that (both positive and negative). In that respect, I'd personally prefer marijuana over alcohol, as the former has fewer adverse effects on me than the latter. I have tried both in the past - but, for the last 20 years, have not used marijuana as it's a banned substance here and have been staying away from alcohol as much as possible.

Marijuana is banned for the wrong reasons where I live. It's almost impossible to get it even for medical purposes. You'd have to severely break the law to get your hands on it. Huge numbers of people do, of course, but as a teacher, I try to be an example to my students and others, so I just keep away from all things illegal as much as I can.

To put as simply as I can, I do not believe in it's use for any reason unless prescribed by a doctor.

You might as well say "I do not believe humans should fly unless directed by a Wizard"



(Flying's not a metaphor for drugs in this instance, just "Don't do X unless Abitary Governing Body That's Not Me But I Trust For Some Reasons Says okay")


All drugs have use, and every individual has to make a judgment on if the benefits outweigh the costs.

And don't operate heavy machinery (Well, you can if you want, but when you maim or kill, or cause massive property damage, that's on you.)


Pretty simple in my world. Everyone elses's may vary.


Oh, and for the OP - I would say mind altering drugs have diddly-squat to do with the Force. Understanding of the Force as a master should be achievable without any stimuli - be it drugs, dream catchers, or soothing music.

Any form of addiction (To Heroin, Gucci clothes, or your Phone) is not any aid to the Jedi Path either.

Still, we're all human. You do you.

I have to chime in here. I've used marijuana most of my life, and have realized the good and bad aspects.
The only constant is that it affects everyone differently. Some people hate it, some can't appreciate it, some like it occasionally, and some love it. It makes some sick and some feel no, or little effect at all. It's impossible to get a general consensus about anything related to pot.
But when learning, be it reading or listening, it is an absolute deterrent. It clouds your mind so that no, or few, thoughts can be absorbed and remembered. Every conversation with another person has the potential to teach you something, even if only subtle aspects of their personality. And you might miss it if you're thoughts are clouded. It's best to avoid its use if you need to work, learn, or deal with people you don't know.
But when alone, or with your partner, it can give you insights into your thoughts and ideals. The same with meditating. It can help give you grand epiphanies. (But you may need to write then down before you forget them. lol)
I use at work because; I work alone, I been doing this work for almost 20 years, and it absorbs the monotony. But when I'm on this website, learning my path, I must abstain from its use.
So, as with all things, it can have its uses and ill effects, but you must be wise enough to know them and use them.
Thank You
May the Force be with us all

As a note: my opinion is a personal one and is based on a living in a country where medicinal cannabis products are legal and we're on the road to full legalization/decriminalization, and from a job where I spend my days analyzing disability claims for PTSD and chronic pain.

I think it's important to keep in mind that there are hundreds of strains of cannabis with different levels of active chemicals within them. There are also many different ways of ingesting in that bring different effects, positive and negative.

I think it's too early yet to make generalized statements about whether it's good or bad, or should be legal or not, and how it should be managed, and for what. Research is still ongoing. At this point, most effects that we will hear about are anecdotal, and even doctors tend to use it as a "last resort" when prescribing it for pain, PTSD and other chronic physical and psychological conditions.

I just don't think we should be in a rush to make the call on cannabis. Sure, tobacco and alcohol are legal and easily available, but don't you think that if they only came to light/popularity in recent years, they wouldn't have the same treatment by the legal and medical ruling bodies? Imagine booze was a brand new substance, how do you think doctors and cops would react to it?

As a species, we're older and wiser, and I think a bit of caution is not necessarily a bad thing. Overreactions and carelessness are there, of course, and they don't help matters, but it's all part of the process.

I was a reader of High times for roughly ten years before I quit for a while to raise my neices. I learned quite a bit from that monthly publication, for instance it successfully treats individuals suffering from epileptic seizures, and although it certainly is not a cure (yet) for cancer, I have seen first hand the benifits of a friend who was stricken with breast cancer who used it reguraly.

This issue goes deeper than what alot of the posts here reveal, say for instance the reasons hemp is still illegal in the states. This isn't just about Marijuana, but the fact legalizing hemp alone holds the potential to end the worlds dependence on fossil fuels, forever. It's also exceptionally strong and can be turned into building material, preventing further deforestation. If one is legalized, in this instance the other must follow.

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/hp/cannabis-pdq
http://hightimes.com/culture/10-reasons-marijuana-legalization-cant-be-stopped/
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2012/06/27/the-hemp-conspiracy-why-u-s-hemp-farming-was-banned/

I have nothing to add regarding whether one should or should not use marijuana that hasn't been said here and on a million other message boards. However I was wondering about people's experiences with its use and how it effected one's meditations and/or spiritual connectivity (IE does it make this or that meditative exercise easier? Harder? If you feel the Force on a day to day basis does its use inhibit or improve that connection?). My personal understanding and experiences with such things (meditation/spiritual awareness) is extremely limited and I would be interested in reading other people's experiences and insights regarding such things and how they combine with marijuana.

I think it's use is fine as long as you use it for the right reasons. Anytime you use it to escape or forget or feel better it's wrong you are creating a crutch for yourself and it will only make things worse by avoiding your feelings or your problems. It's all about your intent

As someone who smokes frequently for migraines, I am definitely pro-legalization for medical. In my experience it is much easier to meditate, and my experiences have been sharper and more prominent when in a trance. My pineal gland pulsates, and I can feel the Force around me. I do not need it to have a good session of meditation though. I feel the same way about exercising.