Marijuana and its use

Adder wrote: I don't remember, I'd have to try and let you know :lol: :silly:

That said, if I had kids, I wouldn't support any intoxicants until after at least 20 years of age.... due to their brain development, and my personal experiences.

Some of the latest research I've read says the brain is probably not fully developed until age 25. For instance http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/02/18/at-what-age-is-the-brain-fully-developed/ .


“Yeah I used to get stoned. A few years back I was pretty down. I'd just started a job, and my plugs weren't taking, my parents were brutally murdered and I was fat. So I turned to pot hoping it would solve my problems. And you know something. The only thing it fixed was my life.

I know it feels good. I know we've all read the 'scientific studies' that say it's non-addictive and there are no side effects. But scientists don't smoke pot. We do. And that's the difference.

All I'm saying is if you want to get high, then be prepared to spend a lot of time laughing with your friends. Think about it.”

~ Strangers With Candy - The Trip Back

plenty of people have died as a result of alcohol use....how many people have died from marijuana?....i can't think of a single person i know that uses pot and has died as a result....but i can make a pretty long list of people i personally knew that died as a result of alcohol use.....just saying....

My goal is to face reality, not change to illusion's face. I believe myself to already be equipped with everything I need to do that.

I don't think pot would do anything for me.

Honestly... and I'll be 100% honest here... I would rather be completely high all day every day than be addicted to sugar. I have the world's deadliest long-term disease/addiction, and I think pot would be a wonderful buffer. Not a cure, but at least something less harmful.

Everybody's perspective is different. As long as we all realize we should have no right to impede others' beliefs and needs, I think we can all agree that needless regulation is hurting our society more than helping it.

After such an AMAZING response. I shall weigh in again!

Alcohol - As DT's regress in the bloodstream the individual who has gotten to know them over the last bender, becomes very sick and near death. Only through the force can they survive this... oh and Human medical intervention.

Ol' Mary - Grown, not made, Weed, or Grass... Is used for a variety of issues. From appetite stimulation to depression management, this amazing little planet can and has literally healed those with: Cancer, and other forms of disease. As a former soldier, police AND firefighter (the big three) ... I use it on recreational as well as Medical basis for pain management. In the army i sustained a neck and back injury, that for 10 yrs only hurt me... Deal-able as a soldier put it. I was happy to deal as it "made me tough". After falling off a ladder with my air pack and fire gear on however, that hurt status became injured. Finding relief in stretching, yoga, and Marijuana.

I choose not to take any form of pills, what so ever. If antibiotics are required they can administer whilst i am unconscious. Pills i do believe are a very strong gateway to other "medicine" of narcotic nature. Easily confused with Medicine. As we know 500 years ago the earth was flat, and we the Jedi, not yet born to this planet.

Now we know we know nothing, and that what we wish is... Wisdom, not knowledge. Let us apply this to common sense. Seeing that some of the best medicine, TRUE medicine. Has been here the entire time. Patience and Calm has allowed this to come to the "LIGHT"

Thank you

-bow-

jake_sato wrote: After such an AMAZING response. I shall weigh in again!

Alcohol - As DT's regress in the bloodstream the individual who has gotten to know them over the last bender, becomes very sick and near death. Only through the force can they survive this... oh and Human medical intervention.

Ol' Mary - Grown, not made, Weed, or Grass... Is used for a variety of issues. From appetite stimulation to depression management, this amazing little planet can and has literally healed those with: Cancer, and other forms of disease. As a former soldier, police AND firefighter (the big three) ... I use it on recreational as well as Medical basis for pain management. In the army i sustained a neck and back injury, that for 10 yrs only hurt me... Deal-able as a soldier put it. I was happy to deal as it "made me tough". After falling off a ladder with my air pack and fire gear on however, that hurt status became injured. Finding relief in stretching, yoga, and Marijuana.

I choose not to take any form of pills, what so ever. If antibiotics are required they can administer whilst i am unconscious. Pills i do believe are a very strong gateway to other "medicine" of narcotic nature. Easily confused with Medicine. As we know 500 years ago the earth was flat, and we the Jedi, not yet born to this planet.

Now we know we know nothing, and that what we wish is... Wisdom, not knowledge. Let us apply this to common sense. Seeing that some of the best medicine, TRUE medicine. Has been here the entire time. Patience and Calm has allowed this to come to the "LIGHT"

Thank you

-bow-

I do agree with most of what you state. The medicinal use of this fine plant is fairly underestimated by the public because grand companies stigmatize its use with drug addicts and that you will be a bum if you use it. They do this because they can't patent a plant and therefore can't earn large sums of money. They can however earn money of of other pills like Ritalin, Prozac, Zoloft etc. They will not hesitate to push these pills into people(kids) when they're being difficult instead of making an effort to structure someones day-to-day life or make changes to diet or exercise.

Other pills like vitamins or aspirin can be harmless and are the only pills I swallow.

I am curious to know if there could be a possible enhancement of connection to the Force for some individuals using pot that might not exist otherwise. Considering the history of its ceremonial use in opening the mind and expanding consciousness, I have to wonder if some might not actually benefit?

• Marijuana is safer than alcohol.
  
  
• Taunting Chihuahuas is safer than jogging across the savannahs of Africa wearing meat around your neck.
  
  
• Juggling loaded fire arms is safer than dancing a jig in front of a pyroclastic flow.
  
  
• I might have gotten in a fight at school, but so-and-so stole a bike!

This entire line of thought is a Red Herring to the question posed in the original post. Sorry, that’s just how I see it. To the average reader, there could be an assertion of accuracy due to poster of said reference so I will play Devil’s Advocate in hopes to avoid an appeal of authority.

As to the question posed in the original post…

jake_sato wrote: I would love to hear the collective thoughts on this topic. The use of Marijuana for healing and or force sensitivity practice?

In my opinion, any stimulus taken to induce an altered state of perception or reality could confuse or alter the understanding or recognition of desired experience. In short if you took something to have a different experience how could you trust the reality of said experience due to your altered state?

TotJO does not have an official stance on the subject that I know of.

As for me, we exist in the now. And in this singular moment all the realities we can perceive are and if we are in this moment we will experience them. As for healing, there are several things that can be “healed” in a variety of methods. Some approved by the medical field and some not. I have found that mental state has a role to play in healing and if my mental state is not pure I can’t imagine that any healing done during that period will be either; whether it be physical, mental or spiritual in nature.

I have tried marijuana recreationally a few times, definitely less than 10. Only 4 times have I gotten high, the others I probably didn't inhale properly or something. Regardless, the few times it "worked" were not fun, I just got sleepy. The last two times were actually not fun at all, I felt like I was falling and was dizzy. I don't plan on ever doing it again, it was terrible, I should note it is legal here.

On the other hand, I have a friend who self-medicates for bi-polar disorder and I can 100% verify how much it helps him. He was an employee of mine and I saw him go from a nervous wreck to an award winning game developer. I think there are instances where marijuana is very good for a person from a medicinal perspective, I'm just not a person who likes its effects on me.

It's kinda funny, i came online a few moment ago to start a discussion about this topic and the first thing that pops up it this

I use it and i have used it daily for almost a year now. I don't need it for medical purposes, i use it because i like it. I've used it when i've wanted to seek deeper into myself and figure out my values and standpoints on a more exsistential level. I don't think this is the only way to do so, but to me it has helped a great deal. I feel more connected to the world around me when walking around as well as i get this feeling that my "way of thinking" is expanding when i'm under the influence of marijuana

To me it makes no sense that marijuana is not legal in many countries. Our governments are chosen to maintain the interests of the people. Just look at the marijuana market, it overwhelmingly big which means there is a demand/interest, a huge demand even, among the people. It makes no sense the governments around our world keeps it illegal as others will supply the demands if the governments won't.

Well, when I had the opportunity to live in a medically legal state, I had a card for for its legal use, for chronic pain, and it helped incredibly. I wish I still lived there. Where I'm at now has no program what so ever and I find it difficult to deal with what I've got going on.

Marijuana is a drug it is that simple, what does it do?
change your reality,be it mood or perception. but it is still an illusion.
You may need that illusion at one time in your life.
to get passed a time when you can not cope.

but sooner or later you have to come back to the here and now.
this may be years it may be weeks,

as for the human spirit drugs will keep you lock in your body.
yes you may have visions but because you are under a drug
you will not know if good or bad sent them.

when you are at peace walking in the forest or near the sea
no drug, sex or drink can give you that truly feeling good about one self.
like nature can.

Br. John,tzb gentleman may i ask you both to meditate on the following
with your titles and rank i know it will have deep meaning.

the spirit(energy ) is immortal.
it love the light.
it worships beauty,of thought and deed.
and it has eternity to enjoy,
time to contemplate.
but the flesh is dark for the flesh knows it has not long to live.
against the time of the spirit the life of the flesh is like a lightning flash.
so it has little time to know pleasure,to taste the richness of life,lust ,greed or gain.
it wants to experience everything, and it cares for nothing save existence.

remo wrote: Marijuana is a drug it is that simple

False. It is a plant that has different uses: medicinal uses, drug uses, production uses (rope, paper, clothing etc).
Things are rarely as simple as you think. Please be mindful of this in your future studies.

Riyuma wrote:

remo wrote: Marijuana is a drug it is that simple

False. It is a plant that has different uses...

Each of which causes a physiological change to the body or body chemistry, which makes it a drug.

steamboat28 wrote:

Riyuma wrote:

remo wrote: Marijuana is a drug it is that simple

False. It is a plant that has different uses...

Each of which causes a physiological change to the body or body chemistry, which makes it a drug.

Because wearing clothing or using paper made of it gets you high....[/sarcasm]

Besides many foods make physiological changes to the body or body chemistry, are they drugs? According to your definition they are. Doesn't add up.

Glue can be abused to get high, but that't not a reason to call glue a drug. Etc etc etc

Riyuma wrote: Doesn't add up.

According to the most common English definition of the word "drug", it's a non-food substance introduced to the body to change body chemistry in some fashion, or cause some other physiological change. So, yes. Cannabinoids are drugs, regardless of whatever else you'd like to say about them. The question isn't whether they change body chemistry, it's how is it appropriate to harness those changes, if at all.

steamboat28 wrote:

Riyuma wrote: Doesn't add up.

According to the most common English definition of the word "drug", it's a non-food substance introduced to the body to change body chemistry in some fashion, or cause some other physiological change. So, yes. Cannabinoids are drugs, regardless of whatever else you'd like to say about them.

This can be countered in many ways. It is a plant and a edible one. Isn't this something that classifies it as a food?

If we're talking about non-food substances that are abused for its hallucinogenic effects, then the same applies to paint and glue. Even though they have other ways of use.

There are a lot of muhsrooms in the world. These are fungi. Some can take your world for a spin. Doesn't make them drugs. Same with a certain toad. Just because people lick its back and get high, doesn't mean the toad goes from an amphibian to a drug.

The question isn't whether they change body chemistry, it's how is it appropriate to harness those changes, if at all.

Was merely quoting you when you said "Each of which causes a physiological change to the body or body chemistry, which makes it a drug."

jake_sato wrote: I would love to hear the collective thoughts on this topic. The use of Marijuana for healing and or force sensitivity practice?

Like everything, it depends. It's a use or abused thing. It's been around for a long long time yet we seem to be turning out OK. There are always exceptions but if it was harming society it would be more obvious.

FYI I don't use it, mostly because I'd lose my job, but if it gets legalized I'd try it for my fibromyalgia pain.

The term drug seems to be best used in the US as anything introduced into the body for a non-nutrient effect. Other countries might tend to prefer to use the term 'medicine' for drugs used for medical effect, and I know where I live the term drug nearly only is used for illicit drugs. So it depends what the person might mean by using the term drug, as it is slightly ambiguous.

Do they mean anything introduced that isnt food, or anything illegal, or something psychoactive etc etc!! Avoiding ambiguity helps communication, but so to does recognizing when something is ambiguous and avoiding in response the assumption of any one particular thing that might be inferred is what is actually implied. It might be, but it might not. I know its something I have to try and keep on top of!!

Illicit drug's used recreationally are probably most always what is called psychoactive, and ones that impact those mechanisms of perception are usually called hallucinatory. Hallucinations can usefully IMO be dividied into psychedelic, deliriant and dissociative effects. I'd tend to put marijuana (depending on strength) into the major dissociative, mid range psychedelic and minor deliriant category, but that can vary across individuals and strength/strain, and to some extent the circumstances of use. I'd probably put alcohol, also a drug, as a major dissociative, zero psychedelic and zero deliriant? Something like LSD might be mid range dissociative, major psychedelic and minor deliriant... depending on strength etc.

So [strike]society[/strike] the law seems to accept dissociation as an acceptable recreational effect, but not psychedelia or delirium. Not all recreational drugs are hallucinatory though, but even some stimulants for example like some of amphetamine's can be. While I personally don't think any of them should be criminal, the impairment of 'intoxication' from any drug (including alcohol) use is a serious issue for everyone IMO. But education and culture can go a long way to avoid abuse while allowing use, if its supported in the right way.

Is it suitable for Jedi!!!? The question begs another question, should anyone dictate as law how people mediate their personal experience of reality if it does not nor is not likely to harm anyone? Considering there would be some people who could argue it is a type of psychological medicine, for example medical trials of ketamine helping some with serious depression and PTSD. Amphetamines are now prescribed for ADHD etc. So what is illusion and what is reality, it is all illusory from a certain point of view, so the question might be better about 'capacity to act' - which in that context really ends up putting marijuana on par with alcohol IMO, as both being dissociative.

IMO dissociation disconnects perception from reality, hallucination transforms perception of reality, deliriants are different but most usually and in simple terms 'break' perception of reality. So while some drug's like stimulants can 'increase' ones capacity to act, I've found that low range hallucination can sometimes inform rather then distort. So it's not as simple as illegal recreational drug = bad and useless, at least not in my experience. But there are lots of potential risks, many serious, some damaging long term, and quite a few fatal.... when messing with the most complex thing known in the universe - the human brain.

Anway, & therefore, short of ascetic denial of recreational drug use (including alcohol) to maintain a constant readiness to act, it seems unnecessary to 'outlaw' it from private recreational activity. Then the issue really becomes about education and product quality control, so people can make informed decisions and avoid harming themselves!! That would be the biggest thing for me in determining 'use'. The other thing is they are often prone to adverse interactions from polypharmacy (including fatal) and often easier to exceed safe dosages, those are both shared with alcohol to some extent also.

So its like alcohol is a soft drug which the law trust's the people to be able to handle, but anything more powerful is considered out of our capacity. To some extent this is true, but I don't think its a proactive approach and looking around the world it's not realisitc, and it's not working, and the current approach is causing incidents and accidents which might otherwise be avoided if we treated it all like informed responsible adults. That's how I view it anyway. Marijuana seems to be like the next softest thing next to alcohol. The US seems to be one of the most 'trusting' in this regard, it lets most everyone carry firearms for example which might be normal for folk in the US, but is a big sign of trust by the government (considering they are designed to do harm). And now many States are allowing marijuana use. I think it just needs to be treated sort of like a mix between alcohol and smoking; don't do it while working, don't do it while operating machinary (like driving), don't do it while having any duty of care, don't do it too much, don't do too much at once, don't do it in confined public spaces etc. Basically only do it at home or at relevant establishments for special occasions.

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A special thanks to you all on this subject - I wish to create a video project approximately 1 hr in length - detailing the positives and negatives of marijuana, from a Jedi or force sensitive perspective.

Is there anyone interested in this venture? I would be looking to release the film - June 1 2017 -bow-