Jedi/Sith... light, dark?

Boga, or Bogan is the coolest sounding one (Dark Side).

Though, kinda sounds like BOGUS. lol

I'm glad you bring up the Potentium as that was the subject of my report.

The (SW)Jedi Council's reply to them is "it was the duty of the Jedi to use the Force to protect others, not study its absolute limits." they go on to say that "Testing the Force to its limits would lead to the dark side."

Now all things have polar opposites "Light" and "Dark" are such opposites. It seems most of you understand that thesis and antithesis are identical in nature. How ever there is more to that lesson. They differ in degree. Opposites are the same but differ only in degree. In other words "Light" doesn't exist only to be contradictory to "Dark". Because "Light" is there "dark" is there without one you don't have the other. I Again you grasp that Light and Dark are two parts of the same thing but forget that that doesn't give you the freedom to do what ever you like without it being "labeled" light or dark.

As for the topic of labels...if the topic of the thread is "Jedi/Sith... light, dark?" than it is necessary to use light/dark Jedi/Sith names. If it wasn't than what are we talking about? :dry:

Are Jedi needed? Well I wouldn't be able to tell you if YOUR needed. That's up to you to decide... As for me the Jedi are needed...if not to "SAVE THE WORLD" than to save people that have looked for answers and couldn't find them any place else.
The world its self is in a very disharmonic state and could use some attention! If not by Jediist than humans. Makes no difference to me.

Are Jedi special? No because different doesn't mean special, it means different. Other people could come to the same conclusion as Jediists without being called Jedi. The name just groups us. Will there be groups that differ from us? You better believe it! So we have polar opposites. Call them Dark call them Sith call them what ever you like but they are there.

It seems I hardly answer the questions so I'll try to answer it like this. You don't NEED air until your without. You don't NEED food until your without. You don't NEED love until your without. Right now we have Jedi so it feels like we don't need them. Believe me if we were without Jedi we would need them.
Do we need a group of people that are enlightened in the midst of ignorance? I think so.

Iron Wings wrote: I think Ashla sounds even cooler

Are you saying that the Sith are good for the Jedi?

Absolutely I am!

Daniel L. wrote: Do we need a group of people that are enlightened in the midst of ignorance? I think so.

So you are saying the Sith have a use at the moment.

Daniel @ what you said, testing the limits is to me a left hand path attribute. We need revolutionist, even radicals at times. Doesn't mean revolutionaries and rebelling against the "system" is always necessary. I'm heavily influenced by the original meaning of Satan, meaning adversary. I am the adversary of others at times, especially when it serves a purpose for me. Opposition is needed, in the sense of dualism that pushes us. I feel often, to really understand an "argument" or one side of the coin, is to study it and then choose to learn the opposite side. It deepens your understand. Thus a head and a tails makes one coin and it forms synthesis. My personal path is that of Synthesis, though I am heavily influenced by the "left hand path." The path that is considered unorthodox by society at large because it represents opposition, change, revolution, heresy, seduction, etc.

And I forgot where I was going with this...sorry :S

The sith usually have a use to the Jedi, their terror brings more force users to our ranks, Without the Sith, The Jedi order would become mere diplomats. Although we do aim to rid ourselves of the Sith, this is the only bright side to their existence, But we are noble, we will not let them exist for our own desires, They are evil. And evil has no place in life.

This was meant to be quoting WilliamKaede.... Pressed the wrong button

I have to disagree Farlenor, that to me is based on the idea of myth. As a student of the dark/left hand path, we are not all evil. Though in general we are certainly the opposition. Why so? Because we are unorthodox, outcasts, the fringe, the outer rim. It scares people who don't understand, they fear what they cannot understand, they fear what they cannot "label," fear does a lot to people. Not to say that all who follow the dark path are "good" and some are rather despicable or crazy. I generally find people who follow the dark path to be rather intelligent, except as with every group you get your "crazies"

Farlenor wrote: ... The Jedi order would become mere diplomats.

Diplomacy is probably the essence of avoiding of conflict, Form Zero and all that. There is lunch box diplomacy, and then there is lightsaber diplomacy - throughout the spectrum of conflict the Jedi would seek diplomacy at every corner and only engage with conflict to shape it towards, you guessed it, diplomacy. I'd say the Jedi Code speaks to that almost literally.

I do though think the real Sith could serve a valid adversary function to the Jedi, like a devil's advocate role, quite neatly.

Asopo wrote: I have to disagree Farlenor, that to me is based on the idea of myth. As a student of the dark/left hand path, we are not all evil. Though in general we are certainly the opposition. Why so? Because we are unorthodox, outcasts, the fringe, the outer rim. It scares people who don't understand, they fear what they cannot understand, they fear what they cannot "label," fear does a lot to people. Not to say that all who follow the dark path are "good" and some are rather despicable or crazy. I generally find people who follow the dark path to be rather intelligent, except as with every group you get your "crazies"

Indeed, I myself dwell on both sides of the spectrum, I can harness my darkness, yet I know the peace and joy that comes with my Love. My darkness makes me passionate and Intelligent, My light is what keeps my relationship going, what keeps my ties with friends and family strong. As I see it, you cannot have one without the other. I don't even necessarily use my darkness for "evil" purposes, I delve in it for creativity, for strategy, For desire for motivation. Too many times as "darkness" been cast as pure evil. With proper knowledge of it, it can be used for good.

And as for Fear... Fear is unbecoming of both sides, Fear is unnatural. Those I know of the darkside become fear rather than live in it, and those on the light destroy fear through knowledge or Resolve. I do both, Depending on the situation, It helps to have both sides in my range, It makes life so simple

I wouldn't say fear is "unnatural"....

We assign the word "fear" to a natural response of:

Heart beating faster...
Time 'slowing down'...
Senses heightened....
Quicker times "fight or flight decision"....
Adrenaline makes muscles fire faster/stronger....

Is the rabbit "scared" of the wolf? The rabbit wouldn't say so, (I really don't know, as I can't talk to rabbits, lol), but he has the same sorta reaction....

Sorry for the derail in topic... I responded earlier to the thread itself with nothing else to really to contribute...

William, its not "Sith" that are needed, so much, as it is just the opposing views...

Any more than the "Jedi" are needed....

But, as we exist as humans, and define ourselves in these ways, needed or not, we are here...

We are all becoming enlightened... We all define it different too....

Some of us reach specific thoughts quicker than others.... Whereas the others will reach some points before ourselves....

And hopefully, we can share all this knowledge....