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7 years 2 weeks ago #279608 by Manu
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A very recurrent word I see at this site is Peace. Peace is regarded as duty for the Jedi (it's baked right into the code, creed and teachings), and inner peace is regarded as the end-goal of many members (and of many religions as well).

However, as often happens with words, "Peace" can include a host of things that are not always similar or even compatible. For example, someone pursuing inner peace by letting go of attachments could very well become apathetic. If I were to make peace with losing my job, for example, I might not strive to do it well or seek a promotion. Making peace with being overweight will take off motivation to work towards better health.

So, what does Peace mean to you? How do you walk the line between whatever peace means to you, and stagnation?

The pessimist complains about the wind;
The optimist expects it to change;
The realist adjusts the sails.
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7 years 2 weeks ago #279612 by
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An excellent question.

Making peace with things such as losing a job could very well lead to one not searching for another. But this would throw off your inner peace as you realize you could lose your home and wont be able to put food on the table. So yes, you can make peace with an event, but the aftershocks of that event may cause events to happen that will require one to change their life and begin the pursuit for peace again.

For me, peace means happiness. Simple as that. Perhaps over time this answer will evolve, but for now it is just happiness. How do I avoid stagnation? Personally, I've always had a drive to go ever onward, to achieve. I may become peaceful for a bit when I hit a personal milestone, but eventually I realize there is more and begin the climb again. So its more of a temporary stagnation than anything.

One can view that temporary stagnation as complacency, but I view it as being happy with that you have until you realize there is more within reach. I imagine it to be akin to climbing a mountain. Its ok, even recommended, to take breaks on your journey to the peak as long as you ensure you get there. All things in time and on time.

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7 years 2 weeks ago #279613 by Proteus
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In your examples, I see "making peace with" as meaning "accepting that it has happened so that you are not hung up on it and beating yourself up", which is something that we tend to do that results in us becoming discouraged from moving on from that event and continuing what we must do.

I believe inner peace is a foundation to having the ability to accept events for what they are to move on from them and continue doing what you next have to do. Someone who is apathetic is so not because they have inner peace but because they are struggling with something inside that they are clinging to.

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7 years 2 weeks ago #279861 by Manu
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Proteus wrote: In your examples, I see "making peace with" as meaning "accepting that it has happened so that you are not hung up on it and beating yourself up", which is something that we tend to do that results in us becoming discouraged from moving on from that event and continuing what we must do.

I believe inner peace is a foundation to having the ability to accept events for what they are to move on from them and continue doing what you next have to do. Someone who is apathetic is so not because they have inner peace but because they are struggling with something inside that they are clinging to.


Where do you draw the line between what can be changed and what cannot? It seems to me it is a slippery slope to accept something as outside of our control. You eventually might leave everything "outside" of control, and the cost of this peace is that nothing gets done.

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The optimist expects it to change;
The realist adjusts the sails.
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7 years 2 weeks ago #279868 by Adder
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Change is everywhere and ongoing!! Sometimes its hard to notice, especially at late adolescence when the tendency is to be sick and tired of being stuck under guardianship, but also even if we are able to find ourselves in a momentary lapse of reason state of calm.... and nature is brutal - so while we benefit from having a mechanical and intellectual advantage over our environment, sufficient to be past the threshold of really being part of nature in the same way we view nature, we can and do get away with pretending peace is something more then just a temporary state of control. I think the best we can really hope for is to view it as a direction, or orientation, to exert effort ie de-escalation against whatever might be the other direction eg fear, hate, suffering, violence, war etc. The reason being is to shift the seat of potential to control ones destiny back to the individual as much as possible as broadly (to all individuals) as possible. If we could all just get along I mean hehe. That's how I see it.

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7 years 1 week ago #280462 by ZealotX
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I like Proteus's answer.

I definitely see peace as equilibrium. Balance.

There can be turmoil in the world but you don't see it walking in a park on a sunny day. While you're enjoying nature people are starving, dying, losing their homes, committing suicide, being cheated on, abused, etc.

I believe a Jedi's mind should be like the planet. One does not need to feel every prick of everything wrong to confirm that he or she has feelings. Probably the most famous example is Anakin not being able to be "at peace" with the inevitability of death. So what happened? He was consumed by his fear and it led to anger and hate and he became the bringer of the very death he feared.

Where is your consciousness within the world? Is it on the sick and the dying? Or is it in the park? Is it at your desk behind your computer? Through meditation one can work to perfect a mastery over one's consciousness, moving it around the body. For instance if you have pain in your ear and you pinch your leg the pain in your ear is still there but your consciousness focuses on the more intense pain. Interesting how the body uses pain to alert the mind to act. So one cannot say it is a purely negative thing. It is simply a thing. How you use a thing is what makes it good or bad.

In the example of losing a job, there is a "pain" that is natural and normal to feel; especially depending on how it happened. You may feel a sense of loss. You may also feel anxiety and insecurity. How will you find the next job? How will you pay your bills in the meantime? The more you think about these things the more stress builds up... the more tension builds up... and these can have negative effects.

Personally, I choose to worry about the things that are within my control. Whatever temporary pain I feel I use as very quick "call to action". The action is thinking about what my next move is. Beyond this the pain is redundant... unproductive. I focus on the next move, not the pain that is designed to trigger it. Sometimes it makes me seem like I don't care. Of course, I do. But what will be the result of letting "bad things" get under my skin? Will it somehow improve the situation?

Losing one's job is junction in a series of decisions, either made by you or others. You can only control the decisions you make. If you could have done your job better to save your job it's too late now. It's spilled milk. If the only option is to clean it up then what else is there to think about?

I think being at peace is one's ability to accept reality. Reality is not designed to make your life perfect as if the world revolves around you. The larger your ego is (keeping in mind ego is necessary for survival) the more bothered you become when the world doesn't treat you as if you are the priority. You're not the priority. You are your own priority but not the priority of others. The same negative things that happen to others can happen to you and some of it will. We are not the exception or the statistical anomaly that gets to escape all the challenges of life. That's life. It's not designed to be fair because it wasn't designed for any one person. Losing your job might mean that the company saves enough money for 3 other people to keep theirs. If you are cut because of your performance then you might have been bringing down other people and holding the company back from being more successful which might translate into more people getting hired. Everything is connected and when something is bad for one of us it tends to be good for someone else.

So whose problems do we focus on? Whose problems can we solve? Anakin wasn't okay with reality and therefore he wanted to change it by any means necessary. One has to surrender their will (ego) to the force. One has to accept reality and understand that not everything is in their control. Power is a responsibility not to be sought lightly or obtained recklessly because power corrupts. The ability to change the world also helps to create a personality that constantly chooses to change the world into something that benefits their own life. Pain tells us when we should act. However the right decision comes to a clear mind that isn't held hostage by fear or anxiety. It isn't wrong to have passion but the Jedi have restrictions because of the power they have. When passion rules the mind you cannot make clear decisions so what do you then do with the power you have? Who does it serve?

When we approach a problem emotionally we often don't fix anything. We "do something" that we "feel" is a solution only because it makes us "feel" better. If "feeling better" is your goal that doesn't make the problem go away. It only dilutes the pain the was supposed to make you act. But if your action is only to suppress or subdue the pain then the problem is still there. Peace is not about trying not to feel. It is about accepting reality such that your response to external stimuli isn't exaggerated because it is balanced by a strong internal force. Whatever happened happened; but it shouldn't make you lose your mind and cause you to react without thinking. Even if you experience something sad you cannot be ruled by sadness. When we do not have peace we give ourselves over... our bodies... our minds... we give actions over and allow darkness to act through us; to use us like a tool. I am the one who must ultimately have power over me, myself, and I so that I can co-exist with others.

Peace is not the absence but the co-existence of good and evil.

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7 years 1 week ago #280485 by Manu
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ZealotX wrote: Personally, I choose to worry about the things that are within my control. Whatever temporary pain I feel I use as very quick "call to action". The action is thinking about what my next move is. Beyond this the pain is redundant... unproductive. I focus on the next move, not the pain that is designed to trigger it. Sometimes it makes me seem like I don't care. Of course, I do. But what will be the result of letting "bad things" get under my skin? Will it somehow improve the situation?

When we approach a problem emotionally we often don't fix anything. We "do something" that we "feel" is a solution only because it makes us "feel" better. If "feeling better" is your goal that doesn't make the problem go away. It only dilutes the pain the was supposed to make you act. But if your action is only to suppress or subdue the pain then the problem is still there. Peace is not about trying not to feel. It is about accepting reality such that your response to external stimuli isn't exaggerated because it is balanced by a strong internal force. Whatever happened happened; but it shouldn't make you lose your mind and cause you to react without thinking. Even if you experience something sad you cannot be ruled by sadness. When we do not have peace we give ourselves over... our bodies... our minds... we give actions over and allow darkness to act through us; to use us like a tool. I am the one who must ultimately have power over me, myself, and I so that I can co-exist with others.

Peace is not the absence but the co-existence of good and evil.


I'm sure Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. would have gotten far if his dream would have included your vision of peace.

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The optimist expects it to change;
The realist adjusts the sails.
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7 years 1 week ago #280518 by
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I do not see peace as being synonymous with not caring.

In practical terms, at least in this Earthly realm, inner peace is our capacity to realize a state of contentment, of tranquility, a sense that everything is okay at this moment or an assurance that it will be in the future. My experience though is that it is inherent in our lives as Earth creatures that we sometimes - even often - lose this balance, becoming stressed and anxious regarding certain events of our outer lives. Perhaps that is actually necessary at times for self-preservation; the emotional awareness a sailor thrown overboard has for his peril may be what inspires him to swim with enough vigor to reach the shore. But if his spirit leans toward peace, when he reaches shore he can readily leave his anxiety in the ocean, thank the Force for his fortune, and return to a more tranquil state of mind; a less peaceful person might relive the incident for days, even cursing his fate for having to experience such danger.

Outer peace is seen more in our relationships - our ability to happily coexist with others most of the time, and being committed to an optimal solution for all parties when conflicts do occur. I believe that in contrast to some guru types, this peace is at least close in importance to inner peace; conditions of outer turmoil tend to inspire animosity and resentment, and hence make sustaining an inward peacefulness very difficult.

Just my thoughts ... always subject to change as I learn more!

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7 years 1 week ago #280528 by Carlos.Martinez3
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All my definitions of my own words have been re invented defined and re studied. I have created war and hate. I have created fear and sadness. I can create peace. There are for me difrent stages and levels of peace. The most wonderful thing about my peace is I'm so incon of it. I saw a picture painted of a storm with wind breaking limbs and trees bending and it was called peace... In the corner was a small sorrow huddled up next to his mother , warm and safe. Changed my view of peace , some would see the scene as boisterous and unpleasant but that type of storm brought a child close to a mother. Peace can be a many things. Some times we gotta see the difference. There are differences! Happy seeking ! May you find the peace and as much and many difrent versions of it as you possibly can !!! May the force be with you !

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7 years 5 days ago #280738 by ZealotX
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Magnus Staar wrote: I'm sure Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. would have gotten far if his dream would have included your vision of peace.


There is often much debate around Martin vs Malcom X and which way was better. In a lot of ways they represented the Jedi and the Sith* (* = SW Sith).

I think I'm going to post about this in a new thread. But Martin had a certain level of internal peace. You could tell. He wasn't an angry man. His emotions were channeled in a very controlled way. He wasn't looking for a solution that went against his values. He was looking for peace, not war. When you go looking for peace you're more likely to find it. When you go looking for war to make you feel better you're more likely to create it. And more likely to cause hurt feelings, even as you repair your own.

When I talk about the Jedi way vs the Sith* way it is because I have a desire to point out exactly why it's evil (to the greater good).

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