On the Nature of Crime vs War - An Open Discussion on Terrorism and Censorship

TheDude wrote: Unfortunately the government already controls everything in this country, dictatorship or not. They decide who can open a business and what that business can do. They demand tithes from all citizens. They tell us what we can and cannot own and what actions we can and cannot commit, even when those actions are harmless or victimless crimes. America does not have true freedom yet. But I don't think the presence of a dictator necessarily means a lack of freedom. I think it's entirely possible for a person to have control over a country, and to use that control to guarantee the freedom of that country's citizens. Unfortunately no such dictator has popped up yet, so I can't point towards a specific example. But I do think it's a possibility.

You've given me a lot to think about as well, thank you.

Lol yes but those are all symptoms of a big bernie sanders socialist type govt not truly democratic minimalist govt. Do you think that the reason you have never seen a dictator like that is because they cant exist? Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I say leave the power in the hands of the people, not big govt.

Disregarding your authoritarian or libertarian bent, international non-state militant parties cannot be accepted in armed conflicts. Many people, when hearing that respond something like, "but how will the oppressed 3rd world people have their voices heard?" If you want a good example, look at South Sudan. That was pretty much genocide against minorities throughout the longstanding civil war until a referendum completely divorced Sudan. The UN and African Union both quickly recognized the new government, despite it's fragility. Palestine is another group that's on the verge of accepting a peaceful resolution and statehood (the variables there are hugely different).

Kyrin, are you a Communist ?? Because I'm a Communist, and you're talking like me. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Silas Mercury wrote: Kyrin, are you a Communist ?? Because I'm a Communist, and you're talking like me. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Uhh... what? How is anything I have said analogous to Communism?

Everything you say. It's great, it really is. Thank you

Silas Mercury wrote: Everything you say. It's great, it really is. Thank you

I'm not sure you know what Communism is then...
Could... ya give me an example of something I said?

Kyrin, are you a Communist ?? Because I'm a Communist, and you're talking like me

Pretty sure from Kyrin's posts a better bet would be Constitutional Lib-Right. Silas, I think you need to read the context of what's being said.

TheDude wrote:
Unfortunately the government already controls everything in this country, dictatorship or not. They decide who can open a business and what that business can do. They demand tithes from all citizens. They tell us what we can and cannot own and what actions we can and cannot commit, even when those actions are harmless or victimless crimes. America does not have true freedom yet. But I don't think the presence of a dictator necessarily means a lack of freedom. I think it's entirely possible for a person to have control over a country, and to use that control to guarantee the freedom of that country's citizens. Unfortunately no such dictator has popped up yet, so I can't point towards a specific example. But I do think it's a possibility.

You've given me a lot to think about as well, thank you.

Lol yes but those are all symptoms of a big bernie sanders socialist type govt not truly democratic minimalist govt. Do you think that the reason you have never seen a dictator like that is because they cant exist? Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I say leave the power in the hands of the people, not big govt.

I on the other hand embrace the idea that i have to struggle and work and earn everything I have. I NEVER want anyone else, no individual or govt, to dictate to me what I am allowed to own or provide for my means in any fashion. Its so counter intuitive to me that anyone would want that. I would never be willing to put my future in the hands of another. Instead I would love to see us all work together to make a better future for all vs giving all that power over to a central authority and trust that they are going to "do the right thing".

Just my 2¢

Silas Mercury wrote: In my opinion, if the Jedi love humanity we should lean to the left as much as we can.

the left has been hijacked

there are now people who promote traditionally leftist positions but who do it in ways that violate the underlying principles which lead to those positions

if you oppose free speech you are not a leftist in my view

if you promote racist ideology, you are not a leftist, you are a racist

the left that i signed up for, and have always supported, believes in equality and opportunity for everyone, even the people we dont like

the left, as i am seeing it today, is just as corrupted by money as the right, and has become just as belligerent and narrow minded as the conservative and fundamentalist right wingers

the left used to be noam chomsky and ralph nader, bill moyers, al gore even barney frank (who was more liberal than most) ect ect
people who would deliver commentary that was critical and biting, yes, but was also somewhat balanced in the sense that it did its best to be thoughtful and inclusive and to critique in a mature way, which started from the position that we are supposed to all be in this thing together, even though we disagree

at least, thats how i perceived it at the time; maybe its me who has changed?

now the tide seems to have shifted towards the likes of michael moore and francesca ramsey, and these people seem no different to me at heart than limbaugh or falwel: bigots
bigots are bigots whatever side of the isle they stand on, and it is bigotry itself that i oppose