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Weekday Doctrine Meditations 13:00 utc(Ajax)
6 years 3 weeks ago #319733
by Rosalyn J
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Replied by Rosalyn J on topic Weekday Doctrine Meditations 12:00 utc(AJax)
I look forward to seeing you all tomorrow at 12 UTC. We'll discuss teaching number six I think. I look forward to seeing you all there
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6 years 3 weeks ago #319762
by Rosalyn J
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Happening shortly
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5 years 10 months ago #321843
by Rosalyn J
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Replied by Rosalyn J on topic Weekday Doctrine Meditations 12:00 utc(AJax)
Rosalyn_J: Hiya
(06:00:04) Rosalyn_J: Fair warning that I am working from a tablet
(06:00:07) Rosalyn_J:
(06:00:43) Twigga: I am on my mobile, in a café!
(06:00:57) Rosalyn_J: Difficulties are bound to occur
(06:01:42) Rosalyn_J: Today I thought it would be good to discuss the three tenets
(06:01:43) Twigga: Yes, let's jus see how things go!
(06:01:55) Rosalyn_J: Focus, Knowledge and Wisdom
(06:01:55) Twigga: Ok. I just did 'em!
(06:02:04) Rosalyn_J: Oh nice
(06:02:33) Rosalyn_J: They are the next section of my very small book on the practice of Jediism
(06:02:43) Temple remote: thomaswfaulkner logs into the Chat.
(06:02:47) Twigga:
(06:02:50) Rosalyn_J: Heya thomas
(06:02:58) Twigga: Sounds like an interesting book!
(06:03:01) thomaswfaulkner: Good morning, my friends!
(06:03:05) Twigga: Thomas!
(06:03:10) Rosalyn_J: So today we are talking about the three tenets
(06:03:14) Twigga: Morning
(06:04:14) Rosalyn_J: Here is our doctrine concerning this:
(06:04:18) Rosalyn_J: Knowledge
Wisdom
When used correctly, the Jedi Tenets allow us to better ourselves and overcome any obstacle. They help us improve the world around us and fulfil our purpose in life as a Jedi.
Wisdom is the sound application of accrued knowledge and experience through patient, good judgment.
Knowledge can be acquired by focusing on the task at hand.
Focus is the art of pruning the irrelevant and pouring the best of your mind into what you are doing.
(06:05:33) Rosalyn_J: Its simple enough and broad enough and even gives us some guides as to how to apply it
(06:06:16) Rosalyn_J: yet, lets talk about how we understand the three tenents right now. Anyone have any thoughts?
(06:07:10) Twigga: Heh... I totally read, then ignored this, clearly... I re-wrote, basically, for my own convenience, for my time and stage now. Maybe later I might be able to take them on closer to as they are written here, but... Not today.
(06:07:18) Twigga: Baby steps
(06:09:05) Rosalyn_J: I'm sorry. Ive read that three times and am still confused. Can you clarify further?
(06:10:24) Twigga: Focus, I intend to keep soft, as I get trapped in focus on individual things too easily - I prefer a soft focus on nothing too much on particular at the moment. Knowledge is another trap - I can "Intellectualise" my way out of confronting my fears, so knowledge, I've replaced with "understanding". And the wisdom. That one, is probably fine. Just no one can be wise in all thongs, in all ways, at all times.
(06:11:14) Twigga: Or, in all things, even. Underwear choices aside.
(06:11:26) Rosalyn_J: What you've said is so true
(06:12:02) Rosalyn_J: We never want to "extremely" apply doctrine. Too much of a good thing is a bad thing
(06:12:17) thomaswfaulkner: I think this piece of the doctrine has served me well in understanding how to position myself to be ready to accept the what is in the moment. Being able to say, ehhhh, Thomas, I think you're letting fear of failure, sadness, or whatever I am feeling, sort of cloud your judgement. Let's sort of process these thoughts and feelings really quick so you can get that blaming monkey off your back. I think my biggest issue in the application of this triad is learning how to refocus enough to recall upon the "right" piece of wisdom at the "right" time.
(06:13:00) Rosalyn_J: So good
(06:13:12) Rosalyn_J: For me, I am similar to Twigga
(06:13:24) Rosalyn_J: I can focus to the point of obsession
(06:13:40) Rosalyn_J: and then at other times, I can't focus at all
(06:14:13) Twigga:
(06:14:26) Rosalyn_J: even after all these years on this journey, I still haven't acheived the balance necessary to apply these correctly without fail
(06:14:48) Twigga: I like Thomas' point about accepting the present as it is too.
(06:14:57) thomaswfaulkner: But with failure comes knowledge.
(06:15:16) Twigga: Failure is THE BEST!
(06:15:30) Twigga: Much failure love here...
(06:15:35) Rosalyn_J: Yes, part of the journey is being aware, knowing, when you're falling off to one side of the sea-saw
(06:15:54) Rosalyn_J: I wish I could say that with as much gusto twigga
(06:16:16) Twigga:
(06:16:33) Rosalyn_J: Its a good teacher no doubt. Not exactly up there with best friend
(06:16:51) Rosalyn_J: Not yet
(06:16:56) Twigga: It's horrid at the time, but I've learnt so much...
(06:17:41) Rosalyn_J: I'm nodding vigirously as if you can see it
(06:17:41) Twigga: ... But trying to fail would be a crazy thing to do.
(06:18:05) Rosalyn_J: Failure sneaks up on you like a ninja
(06:18:10) thomaswfaulkner: Ditto. When I would run from it, I couldn't learn from it. But facing it with people that support me, I was able to overcome it and transform it into that bubbly person I find myself being today.
(06:18:40) thomaswfaulkner: Ninja failures can be VERY sneaky
(06:18:54) Twigga: I am looking forward to taking a similar journey as that Thomas!
(06:18:55) Rosalyn_J: Maybe failure is the fertilizer in which wisdom grows
(06:19:48) Twigga: I think Alexandre would disagree - I think he'd stick with knowledge, as we don't need to personally make these fails ourselves.
(06:20:01) Twigga: We can learn from each other...
(06:20:09) Rosalyn_J: true
(06:20:34) Rosalyn_J: I had an apprentice write a very exeptional post on that this weekend
(06:20:52) Twigga: Needs listening skills.
(06:20:55) Twigga: Oh yeah?
(06:21:12) Rosalyn_J: Yes, dealing with freedom from the known
(06:21:47) Twigga: 8|
(06:22:05) Rosalyn_J: His work is certainly worth sharing. I'll see if he'll grant permission once the lesson is done
(06:22:28) Rosalyn_J: Not a fan of ol' kishy face then?
(06:22:50) Twigga: Nice... Outside the veil?
(06:23:01) Rosalyn_J: Yes
(06:23:12) Twigga: Oh, not "not a fan" just not a reader
(06:23:31) Twigga: +1 for outside of veil things!
(06:23:54) Rosalyn_J: I'd be keen to rip the veils
(06:23:55) Twigga: It all seems very complicated, Kishy's stuff.
(06:24:27) Rosalyn_J: anyhow
(06:24:39) Rosalyn_J: we are coming up on the 25 minute mark
(06:25:05) Rosalyn_J: sorry to cut this short, but I'd like to recite the creed with you both
(06:25:13) Rosalyn_J: If you'll join me
(06:25:13) Twigga: Nice
(06:25:15) Rosalyn_J: ---
(06:25:16) thomaswfaulkner: I am ready.
(06:25:30) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace;
(06:25:41) thomaswfaulkner: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace;
(06:25:48) Twigga: I am a Jedi, and instrument of Peace;
(06:26:05) Rosalyn_J: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(06:26:14) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(06:26:21) Twigga: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love
(06:26:32) Rosalyn_J: Where there is injury, pardon;
(06:26:40) Twigga: Where there is injury, pardon
(06:26:42) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is injury, pardon;
(06:26:56) Rosalyn_J: Where there is doubt, faith;
(06:27:03) Twigga: Where there is doubt, faith
(06:27:06) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is doubt, faith;
(06:27:35) Rosalyn_J: Where there is despair, hope;
(06:27:43) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is despair, hope;
(06:27:48) Twigga: Where there is despair, hope
(06:27:59) Rosalyn_J: Where there is darkness, light;
(06:28:07) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is darkness, light;
(06:28:09) Twigga: Where there is darkness, light;
(06:28:23) Rosalyn_J: And where there is sadness, joy.
(06:28:36) thomaswfaulkner: And where there is sadness, joy.
(06:28:40) Twigga: And where there is sadness, joy.
(06:28:53) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi
(06:28:59) thomaswfaulkner: I am a Jedi
(06:29:01) Twigga: I am a Jedi
(06:29:19) Rosalyn_J: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console.
(06:29:36) thomaswfaulkner: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console.
(06:29:39) Twigga: I shall never seek so Mich to be consoled as to console.
(06:29:49) Twigga: *much
(06:29:59) Rosalyn_J: To be understood as to understand;
(06:30:16) Twigga: To be understood as to understand;
(06:30:19) thomaswfaulkner: To be understood as to understand;
(06:30:37) Rosalyn_J: To be loved as to love.
(06:30:47) Twigga: To be loved as to love.
(06:30:53) thomaswfaulkner: To be loved as to love.
(06:31:17) Rosalyn_J: For it is in giving that we receive;
(06:31:29) thomaswfaulkner: For it is in giving that we receive;
(06:31:41) Twigga: For it is in giving that we receive;
(06:31:56) Rosalyn_J: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(06:32:11) thomaswfaulkner: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(06:32:12) Twigga: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(06:32:34) Rosalyn_J: And it is in dying that we are born to enternal life.
(06:32:52) thomaswfaulkner: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(06:32:59) Twigga: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(06:33:19) Rosalyn_J: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(06:33:35) thomaswfaulkner: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(06:33:41) Twigga: The force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(06:34:06) Rosalyn_J: Thank you both for coming. May the Force be with you and may you enjoy your day
(06:34:20) thomaswfaulkner: I will, if you will.
(06:34:21) Twigga: Thank you. And you too.
(06:34:34) Twigga: Ha ha - deal Thomas.
(06:35:11) Rosalyn_J: ok I have a favor
(06:35:39) Rosalyn_J: I'll need someone to paste this into the weekday meditations forum
(06:00:04) Rosalyn_J: Fair warning that I am working from a tablet
(06:00:07) Rosalyn_J:
(06:00:43) Twigga: I am on my mobile, in a café!
(06:00:57) Rosalyn_J: Difficulties are bound to occur
(06:01:42) Rosalyn_J: Today I thought it would be good to discuss the three tenets
(06:01:43) Twigga: Yes, let's jus see how things go!
(06:01:55) Rosalyn_J: Focus, Knowledge and Wisdom
(06:01:55) Twigga: Ok. I just did 'em!
(06:02:04) Rosalyn_J: Oh nice
(06:02:33) Rosalyn_J: They are the next section of my very small book on the practice of Jediism
(06:02:43) Temple remote: thomaswfaulkner logs into the Chat.
(06:02:47) Twigga:
(06:02:50) Rosalyn_J: Heya thomas
(06:02:58) Twigga: Sounds like an interesting book!
(06:03:01) thomaswfaulkner: Good morning, my friends!
(06:03:05) Twigga: Thomas!
(06:03:10) Rosalyn_J: So today we are talking about the three tenets
(06:03:14) Twigga: Morning
(06:04:14) Rosalyn_J: Here is our doctrine concerning this:
(06:04:18) Rosalyn_J: Knowledge
Wisdom
When used correctly, the Jedi Tenets allow us to better ourselves and overcome any obstacle. They help us improve the world around us and fulfil our purpose in life as a Jedi.
Wisdom is the sound application of accrued knowledge and experience through patient, good judgment.
Knowledge can be acquired by focusing on the task at hand.
Focus is the art of pruning the irrelevant and pouring the best of your mind into what you are doing.
(06:05:33) Rosalyn_J: Its simple enough and broad enough and even gives us some guides as to how to apply it
(06:06:16) Rosalyn_J: yet, lets talk about how we understand the three tenents right now. Anyone have any thoughts?
(06:07:10) Twigga: Heh... I totally read, then ignored this, clearly... I re-wrote, basically, for my own convenience, for my time and stage now. Maybe later I might be able to take them on closer to as they are written here, but... Not today.
(06:07:18) Twigga: Baby steps
(06:09:05) Rosalyn_J: I'm sorry. Ive read that three times and am still confused. Can you clarify further?
(06:10:24) Twigga: Focus, I intend to keep soft, as I get trapped in focus on individual things too easily - I prefer a soft focus on nothing too much on particular at the moment. Knowledge is another trap - I can "Intellectualise" my way out of confronting my fears, so knowledge, I've replaced with "understanding". And the wisdom. That one, is probably fine. Just no one can be wise in all thongs, in all ways, at all times.
(06:11:14) Twigga: Or, in all things, even. Underwear choices aside.
(06:11:26) Rosalyn_J: What you've said is so true
(06:12:02) Rosalyn_J: We never want to "extremely" apply doctrine. Too much of a good thing is a bad thing
(06:12:17) thomaswfaulkner: I think this piece of the doctrine has served me well in understanding how to position myself to be ready to accept the what is in the moment. Being able to say, ehhhh, Thomas, I think you're letting fear of failure, sadness, or whatever I am feeling, sort of cloud your judgement. Let's sort of process these thoughts and feelings really quick so you can get that blaming monkey off your back. I think my biggest issue in the application of this triad is learning how to refocus enough to recall upon the "right" piece of wisdom at the "right" time.
(06:13:00) Rosalyn_J: So good
(06:13:12) Rosalyn_J: For me, I am similar to Twigga
(06:13:24) Rosalyn_J: I can focus to the point of obsession
(06:13:40) Rosalyn_J: and then at other times, I can't focus at all
(06:14:13) Twigga:
(06:14:26) Rosalyn_J: even after all these years on this journey, I still haven't acheived the balance necessary to apply these correctly without fail
(06:14:48) Twigga: I like Thomas' point about accepting the present as it is too.
(06:14:57) thomaswfaulkner: But with failure comes knowledge.
(06:15:16) Twigga: Failure is THE BEST!
(06:15:30) Twigga: Much failure love here...
(06:15:35) Rosalyn_J: Yes, part of the journey is being aware, knowing, when you're falling off to one side of the sea-saw
(06:15:54) Rosalyn_J: I wish I could say that with as much gusto twigga
(06:16:16) Twigga:
(06:16:33) Rosalyn_J: Its a good teacher no doubt. Not exactly up there with best friend
(06:16:51) Rosalyn_J: Not yet
(06:16:56) Twigga: It's horrid at the time, but I've learnt so much...
(06:17:41) Rosalyn_J: I'm nodding vigirously as if you can see it
(06:17:41) Twigga: ... But trying to fail would be a crazy thing to do.
(06:18:05) Rosalyn_J: Failure sneaks up on you like a ninja
(06:18:10) thomaswfaulkner: Ditto. When I would run from it, I couldn't learn from it. But facing it with people that support me, I was able to overcome it and transform it into that bubbly person I find myself being today.
(06:18:40) thomaswfaulkner: Ninja failures can be VERY sneaky
(06:18:54) Twigga: I am looking forward to taking a similar journey as that Thomas!
(06:18:55) Rosalyn_J: Maybe failure is the fertilizer in which wisdom grows
(06:19:48) Twigga: I think Alexandre would disagree - I think he'd stick with knowledge, as we don't need to personally make these fails ourselves.
(06:20:01) Twigga: We can learn from each other...
(06:20:09) Rosalyn_J: true
(06:20:34) Rosalyn_J: I had an apprentice write a very exeptional post on that this weekend
(06:20:52) Twigga: Needs listening skills.
(06:20:55) Twigga: Oh yeah?
(06:21:12) Rosalyn_J: Yes, dealing with freedom from the known
(06:21:47) Twigga: 8|
(06:22:05) Rosalyn_J: His work is certainly worth sharing. I'll see if he'll grant permission once the lesson is done
(06:22:28) Rosalyn_J: Not a fan of ol' kishy face then?
(06:22:50) Twigga: Nice... Outside the veil?
(06:23:01) Rosalyn_J: Yes
(06:23:12) Twigga: Oh, not "not a fan" just not a reader
(06:23:31) Twigga: +1 for outside of veil things!
(06:23:54) Rosalyn_J: I'd be keen to rip the veils
(06:23:55) Twigga: It all seems very complicated, Kishy's stuff.
(06:24:27) Rosalyn_J: anyhow
(06:24:39) Rosalyn_J: we are coming up on the 25 minute mark
(06:25:05) Rosalyn_J: sorry to cut this short, but I'd like to recite the creed with you both
(06:25:13) Rosalyn_J: If you'll join me
(06:25:13) Twigga: Nice
(06:25:15) Rosalyn_J: ---
(06:25:16) thomaswfaulkner: I am ready.
(06:25:30) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace;
(06:25:41) thomaswfaulkner: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace;
(06:25:48) Twigga: I am a Jedi, and instrument of Peace;
(06:26:05) Rosalyn_J: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(06:26:14) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(06:26:21) Twigga: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love
(06:26:32) Rosalyn_J: Where there is injury, pardon;
(06:26:40) Twigga: Where there is injury, pardon
(06:26:42) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is injury, pardon;
(06:26:56) Rosalyn_J: Where there is doubt, faith;
(06:27:03) Twigga: Where there is doubt, faith
(06:27:06) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is doubt, faith;
(06:27:35) Rosalyn_J: Where there is despair, hope;
(06:27:43) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is despair, hope;
(06:27:48) Twigga: Where there is despair, hope
(06:27:59) Rosalyn_J: Where there is darkness, light;
(06:28:07) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is darkness, light;
(06:28:09) Twigga: Where there is darkness, light;
(06:28:23) Rosalyn_J: And where there is sadness, joy.
(06:28:36) thomaswfaulkner: And where there is sadness, joy.
(06:28:40) Twigga: And where there is sadness, joy.
(06:28:53) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi
(06:28:59) thomaswfaulkner: I am a Jedi
(06:29:01) Twigga: I am a Jedi
(06:29:19) Rosalyn_J: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console.
(06:29:36) thomaswfaulkner: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console.
(06:29:39) Twigga: I shall never seek so Mich to be consoled as to console.
(06:29:49) Twigga: *much
(06:29:59) Rosalyn_J: To be understood as to understand;
(06:30:16) Twigga: To be understood as to understand;
(06:30:19) thomaswfaulkner: To be understood as to understand;
(06:30:37) Rosalyn_J: To be loved as to love.
(06:30:47) Twigga: To be loved as to love.
(06:30:53) thomaswfaulkner: To be loved as to love.
(06:31:17) Rosalyn_J: For it is in giving that we receive;
(06:31:29) thomaswfaulkner: For it is in giving that we receive;
(06:31:41) Twigga: For it is in giving that we receive;
(06:31:56) Rosalyn_J: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(06:32:11) thomaswfaulkner: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(06:32:12) Twigga: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(06:32:34) Rosalyn_J: And it is in dying that we are born to enternal life.
(06:32:52) thomaswfaulkner: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(06:32:59) Twigga: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(06:33:19) Rosalyn_J: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(06:33:35) thomaswfaulkner: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(06:33:41) Twigga: The force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(06:34:06) Rosalyn_J: Thank you both for coming. May the Force be with you and may you enjoy your day
(06:34:20) thomaswfaulkner: I will, if you will.
(06:34:21) Twigga: Thank you. And you too.
(06:34:34) Twigga: Ha ha - deal Thomas.
(06:35:11) Rosalyn_J: ok I have a favor
(06:35:39) Rosalyn_J: I'll need someone to paste this into the weekday meditations forum
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Replied by thomaswfaulkner on topic Weekday Doctrine Meditations 12:00 utc(AJax)
The Code
(08:10:41) Twigga: Hello!
(08:11:36) Rosalyn_J: heya
(08:11:44) Twigga:
(08:11:54) Rosalyn_J: Made it safely to work
(08:12:06) Rosalyn_J: now I can relax and chat with you guys
(08:12:16) Twigga: Yay!
(08:12:21) Rosalyn_J: we are a little bit late starting
(08:12:25) Twigga: How was Karate?
(08:12:34) Rosalyn_J: good, good
(08:12:42) Twigga: So you want to press on...
(08:12:50) Rosalyn_J: are you guys ok with going to 42 pass the hour?
(08:13:25) Twigga: Oh totally. No fixed times here. Everything fluid.
(08:14:01) Rosalyn_J: cool
(08:14:08) Rosalyn_J: Thomas?
(08:14:33) Twigga: Maybe afk?
(08:14:40) Rosalyn_J: maybe
(08:14:50) Rosalyn_J: ok lets go ahead and get started
(08:14:53) Rosalyn_J: Emotion, yet Peace. There is no Emotion, there is Peace.
Ignorance, yet Knowledge. There is no Ignorance, there is Knowledge.
Passion, yet Serenity. There is no Passion, there is Serenity.
Chaos, yet Harmony. There is no Chaos, there is Harmony.
Death, yet the Force. There is no Death, there is the Force.
by Greg Costikyan
(08:15:11) Rosalyn_J: Well there are two versions of the Code
(08:15:27) Rosalyn_J: First question, which do you prefer and why?
(08:16:06) Twigga: I haven't made a first step into this yet. Gut instinct is the 'yet' version.
(08:16:24) Twigga: It's a gut thing, no reasoning.
(08:16:41) Rosalyn_J: makes sense
(08:16:55) Twigga: Maybe cause it's shorter?
(08:16:59) thomaswfaulkner: I'm here...I also think the yet is a better interpretation for me, because it sets us up with the spectrum of what is.
(08:17:28) thomaswfaulkner: Emotions for me do exist, but through their culmination and understanding we can acknowledge peace
(08:17:38) Rosalyn_J: right
(08:17:56) Rosalyn_J: I haven't found myself using the Code
(08:18:05) Rosalyn_J: I prefer the Creed
(08:18:16) Rosalyn_J: But....BUT
(08:18:42) Rosalyn_J: Today I have discovered that I can use both in succession\
(08:19:54) Rosalyn_J: When I was pretty young on the journey, another Jedi created a site Khars Institute in the name of (he says) the Founder of the Jedi way
(08:19:57) Twigga: ... *curious*
(08:20:31) Rosalyn_J: on this site there were a list of standards and the one that I gravitated towards was related to the Code
(08:20:40) Rosalyn_J: and how to make decisions
(08:21:11) Rosalyn_J: Start with the Yet version of the Code
(08:21:28) Rosalyn_J: everything is all muddy and on a spectrum
(08:21:49) Rosalyn_J: As you move toward your decision go toward the No version of the Code
(08:22:19) Twigga: Interesting!
(08:22:25) Rosalyn_J: no emotion, ignorance, passion, chaos and a trust in the Force
(08:22:53) Rosalyn_J: then, when it comes to making your decision, when it comes to acting, use the Skywalker Code
(08:23:09) Rosalyn_J: "jedi are guardians of peace in the galaxy"
(08:23:36) Rosalyn_J: well today I discovered that I can actually replace Skywalker with our Creed
(08:23:46) Rosalyn_J: or even with "Jedi Believe"
(08:23:52) Rosalyn_J: as the situation calls for it
(08:24:13) Twigga: Hmm... Nice.
(08:25:25) Rosalyn_J: Anyhow, so that was a bit of discovery on my part
(08:25:41) Twigga: It was a good one
(08:26:23) Rosalyn_J: have you guys looked at when the Code comes to mind for you, almost unbidden?
(08:26:27) thomaswfaulkner: It's great to have the resources to aggregate to what we already know.
(08:28:03) Twigga: It might have happened, but mostly it's other Jedi that spot it/use it. As I said, I've no yet reached that bit with my IP - not REALLY looked at it.
(08:28:30) Rosalyn_J: I got you
(08:28:57) Twigga: But as Thomas says, it'll likely be something that is already known, when I finally get there!
(08:29:06) thomaswfaulkner: For me, when I reflect on the code, I see that left side of the code for me represents the individual's perspective while the right interprets that "through sound wisdom" assessment of how we interpret those perspectives.
(08:29:43) thomaswfaulkner: It helps to come back and have that "mental retreat" of rereading the words to revitalize how I interpret my perspective.
(08:30:42) Rosalyn_J: how do you mean?
(08:30:56) Rosalyn_J: I mean can you give an example?
(08:31:05) thomaswfaulkner: Sure thing!
(08:31:35) Twigga: Yay practical things!
(08:33:21) thomaswfaulkner: For me, life is a pretty big (and fun!) game of balance. When you have that Jedi Doctrine Revival, you can feel that "spiritual juice" flowing through your veins. Its that experiential moment. That feeling of your "suchness" radiating.
(08:33:24) thomaswfaulkner: But...
(08:35:12) thomaswfaulkner: When life happens, I'm sure I'm not the only weirdo that starts to feel that life energy start to drain. When life goes against my expectations, my work piles up, or I experience some sort of guilt, it can take a toll on our Being.
(08:35:30) thomaswfaulkner: Now we can practice self care throughout each day...but that's ideal
(08:35:41) thomaswfaulkner: Sometimes it's okay to just be tired
(08:35:41) Twigga:
(08:35:59) thomaswfaulkner: To say, NOW all I can do is rest
(08:36:08) Twigga: That's true.
(08:36:27) thomaswfaulkner: If we lose touch with that Code, our comfort after the rest can drain that spirit.
(08:36:36) thomaswfaulkner: The code helps me to revitalize that though
(08:36:37) Twigga: Very sensible for spoon counters.
(08:37:32) thomaswfaulkner: It shifts my focus from my emotions, to recognizing harmony. What I see as Chaos, "as simply what is"
(08:38:16) thomaswfaulkner: And it makes me rebelieve that things will be (and have been) alright all along.
(08:38:33) thomaswfaulkner: Perfect for spoon counters.
(08:38:41) Twigga:
(08:38:51) Rosalyn_J: That is wonderful
(08:38:58) Rosalyn_J: before we get to the Creed
(08:39:05) Rosalyn_J: I actually need a favor
(08:39:16) Rosalyn_J: my chat log has prematurely cut off
(08:39:38) Rosalyn_J: and I cannot see a good chunk of the beginning of our conversation
(08:39:56) Twigga: I can probabably cut and paste on my phone...
(08:40:02) Rosalyn_J: so would either of you be able to post the log?
(08:40:11) thomaswfaulkner: Don't fear! I'm on a computer!!!!
(08:40:16) Rosalyn_J: into the morning meditation
(08:40:20) Rosalyn_J: ok
(08:40:23) Rosalyn_J: sweet
(08:40:28) Rosalyn_J: Alright
(08:40:47) Twigga: Ah Thomas, you star.
(08:40:53) Rosalyn_J: well we are nearing the end and I'd love if we could do the Creed together to wrap up
(08:41:17) Rosalyn_J: Would both of you join me?
(08:41:19) Rosalyn_J: ---
(08:41:24) Twigga: Yep!
(08:41:36) thomaswfaulkner: I will
(08:41:37) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace
(08:41:50) thomaswfaulkner: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace
(08:41:53) Twigga: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace
(08:42:11) Rosalyn_J: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(08:42:27) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(08:42:27) Twigga: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love
(08:42:43) Rosalyn_J: Where there is injury, pardon;
(08:42:55) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is injury, pardon;
(08:42:56) Twigga: Where there is injury, pardon
(08:43:18) Rosalyn_J: Where there is doubt, faith;
(08:43:29) Twigga: Where there is doubt, faith
(08:43:31) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is doubt, faith;
(08:43:48) Rosalyn_J: Where there is despair, hope;
(08:43:59) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is despair, hope;
(08:44:13) Twigga: Where there is despair hope
(08:44:18) Rosalyn_J: Where there is darkness, light;
(08:44:30) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is darkness, light;
(08:44:31) Twigga: Where there is darkness, light;
(08:44:52) Rosalyn_J: And where there is sadness, joy.
(08:45:03) thomaswfaulkner: And where there is sadness, joy.
(08:45:05) Twigga: And where there is sadness, joy;
(08:45:25) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi.
(08:45:32) Twigga: I am a Jedi
(08:45:34) thomaswfaulkner: I am a Jedi.
(08:45:51) Rosalyn_J: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(08:46:05) thomaswfaulkner: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(08:46:10) Twigga: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console
(08:46:27) Rosalyn_J: To be understood as to understand;
(08:46:40) Twigga: To be understood as to understand
(08:46:40) thomaswfaulkner: To be understood as to understand;
(08:46:52) Rosalyn_J: To be loved as to love.
(08:47:03) Twigga: To be loved as to love
(08:47:06) thomaswfaulkner: To be loved as to love
(08:47:20) Rosalyn_J: For it is in giving that we receive;
(08:47:31) thomaswfaulkner: For it is in giving that we receive;
(08:47:33) Twigga: For it is in giving that we receive
(08:47:48) Rosalyn_J: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(08:48:02) Twigga: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned
(08:48:04) thomaswfaulkner: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(08:48:22) Rosalyn_J: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(08:48:38) thomaswfaulkner: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(08:48:41) Twigga: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(08:48:56) Rosalyn_J: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi
(08:49:19) thomaswfaulkner: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(08:49:20) Twigga: The force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(08:49:45) Rosalyn_J: Thank you both for coming
(08:50:00) Rosalyn_J: May the Force be with you today and always
(08:50:00) Twigga: Thank you for hosting Ros!
(08:50:04) thomaswfaulkner: Thank you, Ros!!!
(08:50:08) Rosalyn_J: I learned so much
(08:50:34) Twigga: I think this is an important part of my day.
(08:51:00) thomaswfaulkner: I like this. It's a great primer to get me going for work!
(08:51:03) Rosalyn_J: oh good
(08:51:05) Twigga: Have good days ahead of you, enjoy!
(08:51:46) Rosalyn_J: and you also, Twigga
(08:10:41) Twigga: Hello!
(08:11:36) Rosalyn_J: heya
(08:11:44) Twigga:
(08:11:54) Rosalyn_J: Made it safely to work
(08:12:06) Rosalyn_J: now I can relax and chat with you guys
(08:12:16) Twigga: Yay!
(08:12:21) Rosalyn_J: we are a little bit late starting
(08:12:25) Twigga: How was Karate?
(08:12:34) Rosalyn_J: good, good
(08:12:42) Twigga: So you want to press on...
(08:12:50) Rosalyn_J: are you guys ok with going to 42 pass the hour?
(08:13:25) Twigga: Oh totally. No fixed times here. Everything fluid.
(08:14:01) Rosalyn_J: cool
(08:14:08) Rosalyn_J: Thomas?
(08:14:33) Twigga: Maybe afk?
(08:14:40) Rosalyn_J: maybe
(08:14:50) Rosalyn_J: ok lets go ahead and get started
(08:14:53) Rosalyn_J: Emotion, yet Peace. There is no Emotion, there is Peace.
Ignorance, yet Knowledge. There is no Ignorance, there is Knowledge.
Passion, yet Serenity. There is no Passion, there is Serenity.
Chaos, yet Harmony. There is no Chaos, there is Harmony.
Death, yet the Force. There is no Death, there is the Force.
by Greg Costikyan
(08:15:11) Rosalyn_J: Well there are two versions of the Code
(08:15:27) Rosalyn_J: First question, which do you prefer and why?
(08:16:06) Twigga: I haven't made a first step into this yet. Gut instinct is the 'yet' version.
(08:16:24) Twigga: It's a gut thing, no reasoning.
(08:16:41) Rosalyn_J: makes sense
(08:16:55) Twigga: Maybe cause it's shorter?
(08:16:59) thomaswfaulkner: I'm here...I also think the yet is a better interpretation for me, because it sets us up with the spectrum of what is.
(08:17:28) thomaswfaulkner: Emotions for me do exist, but through their culmination and understanding we can acknowledge peace
(08:17:38) Rosalyn_J: right
(08:17:56) Rosalyn_J: I haven't found myself using the Code
(08:18:05) Rosalyn_J: I prefer the Creed
(08:18:16) Rosalyn_J: But....BUT
(08:18:42) Rosalyn_J: Today I have discovered that I can use both in succession\
(08:19:54) Rosalyn_J: When I was pretty young on the journey, another Jedi created a site Khars Institute in the name of (he says) the Founder of the Jedi way
(08:19:57) Twigga: ... *curious*
(08:20:31) Rosalyn_J: on this site there were a list of standards and the one that I gravitated towards was related to the Code
(08:20:40) Rosalyn_J: and how to make decisions
(08:21:11) Rosalyn_J: Start with the Yet version of the Code
(08:21:28) Rosalyn_J: everything is all muddy and on a spectrum
(08:21:49) Rosalyn_J: As you move toward your decision go toward the No version of the Code
(08:22:19) Twigga: Interesting!
(08:22:25) Rosalyn_J: no emotion, ignorance, passion, chaos and a trust in the Force
(08:22:53) Rosalyn_J: then, when it comes to making your decision, when it comes to acting, use the Skywalker Code
(08:23:09) Rosalyn_J: "jedi are guardians of peace in the galaxy"
(08:23:36) Rosalyn_J: well today I discovered that I can actually replace Skywalker with our Creed
(08:23:46) Rosalyn_J: or even with "Jedi Believe"
(08:23:52) Rosalyn_J: as the situation calls for it
(08:24:13) Twigga: Hmm... Nice.
(08:25:25) Rosalyn_J: Anyhow, so that was a bit of discovery on my part
(08:25:41) Twigga: It was a good one
(08:26:23) Rosalyn_J: have you guys looked at when the Code comes to mind for you, almost unbidden?
(08:26:27) thomaswfaulkner: It's great to have the resources to aggregate to what we already know.
(08:28:03) Twigga: It might have happened, but mostly it's other Jedi that spot it/use it. As I said, I've no yet reached that bit with my IP - not REALLY looked at it.
(08:28:30) Rosalyn_J: I got you
(08:28:57) Twigga: But as Thomas says, it'll likely be something that is already known, when I finally get there!
(08:29:06) thomaswfaulkner: For me, when I reflect on the code, I see that left side of the code for me represents the individual's perspective while the right interprets that "through sound wisdom" assessment of how we interpret those perspectives.
(08:29:43) thomaswfaulkner: It helps to come back and have that "mental retreat" of rereading the words to revitalize how I interpret my perspective.
(08:30:42) Rosalyn_J: how do you mean?
(08:30:56) Rosalyn_J: I mean can you give an example?
(08:31:05) thomaswfaulkner: Sure thing!
(08:31:35) Twigga: Yay practical things!
(08:33:21) thomaswfaulkner: For me, life is a pretty big (and fun!) game of balance. When you have that Jedi Doctrine Revival, you can feel that "spiritual juice" flowing through your veins. Its that experiential moment. That feeling of your "suchness" radiating.
(08:33:24) thomaswfaulkner: But...
(08:35:12) thomaswfaulkner: When life happens, I'm sure I'm not the only weirdo that starts to feel that life energy start to drain. When life goes against my expectations, my work piles up, or I experience some sort of guilt, it can take a toll on our Being.
(08:35:30) thomaswfaulkner: Now we can practice self care throughout each day...but that's ideal
(08:35:41) thomaswfaulkner: Sometimes it's okay to just be tired
(08:35:41) Twigga:
(08:35:59) thomaswfaulkner: To say, NOW all I can do is rest
(08:36:08) Twigga: That's true.
(08:36:27) thomaswfaulkner: If we lose touch with that Code, our comfort after the rest can drain that spirit.
(08:36:36) thomaswfaulkner: The code helps me to revitalize that though
(08:36:37) Twigga: Very sensible for spoon counters.
(08:37:32) thomaswfaulkner: It shifts my focus from my emotions, to recognizing harmony. What I see as Chaos, "as simply what is"
(08:38:16) thomaswfaulkner: And it makes me rebelieve that things will be (and have been) alright all along.
(08:38:33) thomaswfaulkner: Perfect for spoon counters.
(08:38:41) Twigga:
(08:38:51) Rosalyn_J: That is wonderful
(08:38:58) Rosalyn_J: before we get to the Creed
(08:39:05) Rosalyn_J: I actually need a favor
(08:39:16) Rosalyn_J: my chat log has prematurely cut off
(08:39:38) Rosalyn_J: and I cannot see a good chunk of the beginning of our conversation
(08:39:56) Twigga: I can probabably cut and paste on my phone...
(08:40:02) Rosalyn_J: so would either of you be able to post the log?
(08:40:11) thomaswfaulkner: Don't fear! I'm on a computer!!!!
(08:40:16) Rosalyn_J: into the morning meditation
(08:40:20) Rosalyn_J: ok
(08:40:23) Rosalyn_J: sweet
(08:40:28) Rosalyn_J: Alright
(08:40:47) Twigga: Ah Thomas, you star.
(08:40:53) Rosalyn_J: well we are nearing the end and I'd love if we could do the Creed together to wrap up
(08:41:17) Rosalyn_J: Would both of you join me?
(08:41:19) Rosalyn_J: ---
(08:41:24) Twigga: Yep!
(08:41:36) thomaswfaulkner: I will
(08:41:37) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace
(08:41:50) thomaswfaulkner: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace
(08:41:53) Twigga: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace
(08:42:11) Rosalyn_J: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(08:42:27) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(08:42:27) Twigga: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love
(08:42:43) Rosalyn_J: Where there is injury, pardon;
(08:42:55) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is injury, pardon;
(08:42:56) Twigga: Where there is injury, pardon
(08:43:18) Rosalyn_J: Where there is doubt, faith;
(08:43:29) Twigga: Where there is doubt, faith
(08:43:31) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is doubt, faith;
(08:43:48) Rosalyn_J: Where there is despair, hope;
(08:43:59) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is despair, hope;
(08:44:13) Twigga: Where there is despair hope
(08:44:18) Rosalyn_J: Where there is darkness, light;
(08:44:30) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is darkness, light;
(08:44:31) Twigga: Where there is darkness, light;
(08:44:52) Rosalyn_J: And where there is sadness, joy.
(08:45:03) thomaswfaulkner: And where there is sadness, joy.
(08:45:05) Twigga: And where there is sadness, joy;
(08:45:25) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi.
(08:45:32) Twigga: I am a Jedi
(08:45:34) thomaswfaulkner: I am a Jedi.
(08:45:51) Rosalyn_J: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(08:46:05) thomaswfaulkner: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(08:46:10) Twigga: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console
(08:46:27) Rosalyn_J: To be understood as to understand;
(08:46:40) Twigga: To be understood as to understand
(08:46:40) thomaswfaulkner: To be understood as to understand;
(08:46:52) Rosalyn_J: To be loved as to love.
(08:47:03) Twigga: To be loved as to love
(08:47:06) thomaswfaulkner: To be loved as to love
(08:47:20) Rosalyn_J: For it is in giving that we receive;
(08:47:31) thomaswfaulkner: For it is in giving that we receive;
(08:47:33) Twigga: For it is in giving that we receive
(08:47:48) Rosalyn_J: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(08:48:02) Twigga: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned
(08:48:04) thomaswfaulkner: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(08:48:22) Rosalyn_J: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(08:48:38) thomaswfaulkner: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(08:48:41) Twigga: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(08:48:56) Rosalyn_J: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi
(08:49:19) thomaswfaulkner: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(08:49:20) Twigga: The force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(08:49:45) Rosalyn_J: Thank you both for coming
(08:50:00) Rosalyn_J: May the Force be with you today and always
(08:50:00) Twigga: Thank you for hosting Ros!
(08:50:04) thomaswfaulkner: Thank you, Ros!!!
(08:50:08) Rosalyn_J: I learned so much
(08:50:34) Twigga: I think this is an important part of my day.
(08:51:00) thomaswfaulkner: I like this. It's a great primer to get me going for work!
(08:51:03) Rosalyn_J: oh good
(08:51:05) Twigga: Have good days ahead of you, enjoy!
(08:51:46) Rosalyn_J: and you also, Twigga
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by Rosalyn J
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Replied by Rosalyn J on topic Weekday Doctrine Meditations 13:00 utc (AJax)
(06:44:16) Rosalyn_J: Jedi are in touch with the Force. We are open to spiritual awareness and keep our minds in tune with the beauty of the world. We are forever learning and open our minds to experiences and knowledge of ourselves and others.
(06:45:43) thomaswfaulkner: This teaching reminds me of how important it is to be reminded of our childlike wonders.
(06:45:52) Rosalyn_J: ok I'm most interested here in how your views have changed or not with practice in regards to this teaching
(06:46:14) Rosalyn_J: oh right. I think we lose a lot of that
(06:46:35) Rosalyn_J: because we lose our connections in our tasks of daily living
(06:46:42) thomaswfaulkner: I tell people a story about being in a store and just watching this sheer joy of how this child was fascinated with his balloon.
(06:47:03) Rosalyn_J: oh?
(06:47:45) thomaswfaulkner: You're absolutely right. We forget how wonderful the world is. We get caught in the doings of life and lose touch with that sense of being.
(06:47:58) thomaswfaulkner: With him and his balloon...it was the greatest thing in the world.
(06:48:24) thomaswfaulkner: Children are some of the best teachers when it comes to understanding how to become intune with the world
(06:48:35) thomaswfaulkner: They question EVERYTHING!
(06:48:57) Rosalyn_J: they are also, in my mind, quite accepting
(06:49:15) Rosalyn_J: not of, like vgetables or whatevr
(06:50:00) thomaswfaulkner: And I think having this curious state of mind, can lead us to ignore some of the stress of life. We can accept that sometimes life is beautiful even when it feels like it is spinning from our control.
(06:50:15) Rosalyn_J: right
(06:50:34) Rosalyn_J: I have a similar story to your ballon
(06:50:42) thomaswfaulkner: I'm all ears
(06:50:43) Rosalyn_J: but it actually involves me
(06:51:33) Rosalyn_J: I was working part time at a similar facility to where I work now. A staff had gone to some sort of celebration and brought me back a goody bag
(06:52:01) Rosalyn_J: it had all this awesome stuff, but it wasnt expensive
(06:52:11) Rosalyn_J: crayons, putty, pencils
(06:52:13) Rosalyn_J: you know
(06:52:36) Rosalyn_J: dude, when I tell you I was super jazzed about that. I mean I can still remember it
(06:52:56) Rosalyn_J: I wasnt expecting it. So it made the gesture that more meaningful
(06:53:48) thomaswfaulkner: Right on! The small stuff can be meaningful. That's my biggest push in ministry and while working through my apprenticeship.
(06:54:00) thomaswfaulkner: We spend life looking for the BIG emotional pulls.
(06:54:10) thomaswfaulkner: Grabbing and holding the good
(06:54:14) thomaswfaulkner: Running from the bad
(06:54:17) Rosalyn_J: and I wonder if in terms of practically applying this teaching, we can do the unexpected for someone else and open our minds and hearts to something unexpected
(06:54:22) thomaswfaulkner: And just meh in the middle
(06:55:03) Rosalyn_J: yeah thats kind of what my sermon was about
(06:55:19) Rosalyn_J: we look a lot for the big things, big impact
(06:55:39) Rosalyn_J: how much space is there in small action
(06:56:01) Rosalyn_J: a pearl is created from JUST a grain of sand
(06:56:50) Temple remote: FTPC logs into the Chat.
(06:56:58) thomaswfaulkner: Everything is a moment of instruction. That's beautiful.
(06:57:03) FTPC: hello
(06:57:12) thomaswfaulkner: Good morning!
(06:57:15) Rosalyn_J: Heya
(06:57:30) Rosalyn_J: we are just about to close with the creed FTPC
(06:57:40) Rosalyn_J: but we talked about teaching one
(06:57:40) FTPC: ok
(06:57:48) Rosalyn_J: do you have any thoughts?
(06:59:47) FTPC: Creed is like a personal code you live by like Batman he will NOT kill one, Same with Dare Devil,
(07:01:25) Rosalyn_J: so teaching 1 is "jedi are in touch with the Force
(07:02:46) FTPC: and now the Punisher Since his family was wiped out by seeing a mob hit , The punisher feel that he has to wipe out every mob boss, criminal out there
(07:04:40) FTPC: but creeds or personal code can change Look at Han solo and Chewy from the 1977 starwars the 1980 Empire and the 1983 return of the Jedi
(07:05:25) Rosalyn_J: ?
(07:05:31) Rosalyn_J: how do you mean?
(07:06:06) FTPC: Han went from bring a merc or a space Pratie to become Gen aolo, and marrying Lela
(07:06:30) FTPC: Han Lead the Rebels to victory
(07:07:23) Rosalyn_J: ah thats a wonderful point
(07:07:36) FTPC: Idont care what disney says
(07:07:42) Rosalyn_J: ok so if you dont mind, I'd like us to recite the Creed together
(07:07:50) Rosalyn_J: ---
(07:08:06) FTPC: go a head
(07:08:06) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace
(07:09:41) Rosalyn_J: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(07:10:53) Rosalyn_J: Where there is injury, pardon;
(07:11:26) Rosalyn_J: Where there is doubt, faith;
(07:11:45) Rosalyn_J: Where there is despair, hope;
(07:12:03) Rosalyn_J: Where there is darkness, light;
(07:12:22) Rosalyn_J: and where there is sadness, joy.
(07:12:30) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi.
(07:12:45) Rosalyn_J: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(07:13:05) Rosalyn_J: to be understood as to understand;
(07:13:16) Rosalyn_J: To be loved as to love;
(07:13:31) Rosalyn_J: For it is in giving that we receive;
(07:13:45) Rosalyn_J: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(07:13:47) thomaswfaulkner: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace;
Where there is hatred I shall bring love;
Where there is injury, pardon;
Where there is doubt, faith;
Where there is despair, hope;
Where there is darkness, light;
And where there is sadness, joy.
I am a Jedi.
I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
To be understood as to understand;
To be loved as to love;
For it is in giving that we receive;
(07:14:02) thomaswfaulkner: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(07:14:14) Rosalyn_J: and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(07:14:28) thomaswfaulkner: and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(07:14:33) Rosalyn_J: The Force is with me always for I am a Jedi.
(07:14:49) thomaswfaulkner: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi,
(07:15:28) Rosalyn_J: thank you both for coming
(07:15:32) FTPC: and remmeber to cite you work https://www.templeofthejediorder​.org/doctrine-of-the-order#Creed
(06:45:43) thomaswfaulkner: This teaching reminds me of how important it is to be reminded of our childlike wonders.
(06:45:52) Rosalyn_J: ok I'm most interested here in how your views have changed or not with practice in regards to this teaching
(06:46:14) Rosalyn_J: oh right. I think we lose a lot of that
(06:46:35) Rosalyn_J: because we lose our connections in our tasks of daily living
(06:46:42) thomaswfaulkner: I tell people a story about being in a store and just watching this sheer joy of how this child was fascinated with his balloon.
(06:47:03) Rosalyn_J: oh?
(06:47:45) thomaswfaulkner: You're absolutely right. We forget how wonderful the world is. We get caught in the doings of life and lose touch with that sense of being.
(06:47:58) thomaswfaulkner: With him and his balloon...it was the greatest thing in the world.
(06:48:24) thomaswfaulkner: Children are some of the best teachers when it comes to understanding how to become intune with the world
(06:48:35) thomaswfaulkner: They question EVERYTHING!
(06:48:57) Rosalyn_J: they are also, in my mind, quite accepting
(06:49:15) Rosalyn_J: not of, like vgetables or whatevr
(06:50:00) thomaswfaulkner: And I think having this curious state of mind, can lead us to ignore some of the stress of life. We can accept that sometimes life is beautiful even when it feels like it is spinning from our control.
(06:50:15) Rosalyn_J: right
(06:50:34) Rosalyn_J: I have a similar story to your ballon
(06:50:42) thomaswfaulkner: I'm all ears
(06:50:43) Rosalyn_J: but it actually involves me
(06:51:33) Rosalyn_J: I was working part time at a similar facility to where I work now. A staff had gone to some sort of celebration and brought me back a goody bag
(06:52:01) Rosalyn_J: it had all this awesome stuff, but it wasnt expensive
(06:52:11) Rosalyn_J: crayons, putty, pencils
(06:52:13) Rosalyn_J: you know
(06:52:36) Rosalyn_J: dude, when I tell you I was super jazzed about that. I mean I can still remember it
(06:52:56) Rosalyn_J: I wasnt expecting it. So it made the gesture that more meaningful
(06:53:48) thomaswfaulkner: Right on! The small stuff can be meaningful. That's my biggest push in ministry and while working through my apprenticeship.
(06:54:00) thomaswfaulkner: We spend life looking for the BIG emotional pulls.
(06:54:10) thomaswfaulkner: Grabbing and holding the good
(06:54:14) thomaswfaulkner: Running from the bad
(06:54:17) Rosalyn_J: and I wonder if in terms of practically applying this teaching, we can do the unexpected for someone else and open our minds and hearts to something unexpected
(06:54:22) thomaswfaulkner: And just meh in the middle
(06:55:03) Rosalyn_J: yeah thats kind of what my sermon was about
(06:55:19) Rosalyn_J: we look a lot for the big things, big impact
(06:55:39) Rosalyn_J: how much space is there in small action
(06:56:01) Rosalyn_J: a pearl is created from JUST a grain of sand
(06:56:50) Temple remote: FTPC logs into the Chat.
(06:56:58) thomaswfaulkner: Everything is a moment of instruction. That's beautiful.
(06:57:03) FTPC: hello
(06:57:12) thomaswfaulkner: Good morning!
(06:57:15) Rosalyn_J: Heya
(06:57:30) Rosalyn_J: we are just about to close with the creed FTPC
(06:57:40) Rosalyn_J: but we talked about teaching one
(06:57:40) FTPC: ok
(06:57:48) Rosalyn_J: do you have any thoughts?
(06:59:47) FTPC: Creed is like a personal code you live by like Batman he will NOT kill one, Same with Dare Devil,
(07:01:25) Rosalyn_J: so teaching 1 is "jedi are in touch with the Force
(07:02:46) FTPC: and now the Punisher Since his family was wiped out by seeing a mob hit , The punisher feel that he has to wipe out every mob boss, criminal out there
(07:04:40) FTPC: but creeds or personal code can change Look at Han solo and Chewy from the 1977 starwars the 1980 Empire and the 1983 return of the Jedi
(07:05:25) Rosalyn_J: ?
(07:05:31) Rosalyn_J: how do you mean?
(07:06:06) FTPC: Han went from bring a merc or a space Pratie to become Gen aolo, and marrying Lela
(07:06:30) FTPC: Han Lead the Rebels to victory
(07:07:23) Rosalyn_J: ah thats a wonderful point
(07:07:36) FTPC: Idont care what disney says
(07:07:42) Rosalyn_J: ok so if you dont mind, I'd like us to recite the Creed together
(07:07:50) Rosalyn_J: ---
(07:08:06) FTPC: go a head
(07:08:06) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace
(07:09:41) Rosalyn_J: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(07:10:53) Rosalyn_J: Where there is injury, pardon;
(07:11:26) Rosalyn_J: Where there is doubt, faith;
(07:11:45) Rosalyn_J: Where there is despair, hope;
(07:12:03) Rosalyn_J: Where there is darkness, light;
(07:12:22) Rosalyn_J: and where there is sadness, joy.
(07:12:30) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi.
(07:12:45) Rosalyn_J: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(07:13:05) Rosalyn_J: to be understood as to understand;
(07:13:16) Rosalyn_J: To be loved as to love;
(07:13:31) Rosalyn_J: For it is in giving that we receive;
(07:13:45) Rosalyn_J: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(07:13:47) thomaswfaulkner: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace;
Where there is hatred I shall bring love;
Where there is injury, pardon;
Where there is doubt, faith;
Where there is despair, hope;
Where there is darkness, light;
And where there is sadness, joy.
I am a Jedi.
I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
To be understood as to understand;
To be loved as to love;
For it is in giving that we receive;
(07:14:02) thomaswfaulkner: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(07:14:14) Rosalyn_J: and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(07:14:28) thomaswfaulkner: and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(07:14:33) Rosalyn_J: The Force is with me always for I am a Jedi.
(07:14:49) thomaswfaulkner: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi,
(07:15:28) Rosalyn_J: thank you both for coming
(07:15:32) FTPC: and remmeber to cite you work https://www.templeofthejediorder​.org/doctrine-of-the-order#Creed
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(07:57:13) Rosalyn_J: Get to
(07:57:30) Twigga: Busy day?
(07:57:39) Temple remote: thomaswfaulkner logs into the Chat.
(07:57:46) thomaswfaulkner: Good morning!
(07:57:53) Twigga: *waves*
(07:58:10) Twigga: Morning! Happy Jediism Day!
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(07:59:37) Rosalyn_J: Hot dog
(07:59:55) Twigga: Hot dog !?!
(08:00:08) Rosalyn_J: Hey thomas,twigga
(08:00:15) Twigga: Are we doing secret passwords now?
(08:00:29) Twigga: Hi Ros!
(08:00:50) Rosalyn_J: @twigga exclamation
(08:01:16) Twigga: *puzzled*
(08:01:30) thomaswfaulkner: Mickey Mouse says hot dog!
(08:01:38) thomaswfaulkner: It's like "Oh boy!"
(08:01:43) thomaswfaulkner: Or gee willy wee!
(08:01:45) Rosalyn_J: Its what I say when I'm surprised
(08:01:45) Twigga: Oh! I didn't know that!
(08:02:01) Twigga: He speaks French here...
(08:02:24) thomaswfaulkner: What fun things does he say!?
(08:02:46) Rosalyn_J: Didn't know it was jediism day
(08:03:09) Twigga: Chien chaude, I imagine!
(08:03:27) Twigga: 25th May. Every Year.
(08:03:34) thomaswfaulkner: It's a lovely Jediism day
(08:03:52) Twigga: Solo release day...
(08:04:05) thomaswfaulkner: Book marks!
(08:04:08) Twigga: It was brilliant and I'll say no more.
(08:04:11) thomaswfaulkner::D:D:D
(08:04:18) Twigga: yes!
(08:04:36) Twigga: Oh I'm pleased they arrived!
(08:04:38) Rosalyn_J: Cool
(08:04:55) Twigga: AND that it's a beautiful day.
(08:05:02) Rosalyn_J: Oh today is the day I cz
(08:05:19) Rosalyn_J: Can open card
(08:05:29) Twigga: Yes!
(08:05:34) Twigga:
(08:05:41) Rosalyn_J: Yay!!!!
(08:05:59) thomaswfaulkner: I opened it yesterday at the turn of the Temple time. RIGHT AT 0:00 hours.
(08:06:12) Rosalyn_J: Many moons have I waited
(08:06:17) Twigga: Was breakfast nice Thomas?
(08:06:33) thomaswfaulkner: What's that? Does coffee count?
(08:06:34) Twigga: Ha ha ha - that's brilliant!
(08:06:52) Rosalyn_J: Right?
(08:07:01) Twigga: I started putting chocolate chips in my muesli mix.
(08:07:05) Rosalyn_J: I drank mine cold
(08:07:22) Twigga: Every day will now have some good in it... Fair trade
(08:07:36) Twigga: Iced coffee is a thing
(08:07:38) Rosalyn_J: OK we've gotta get started
(08:07:47) thomaswfaulkner: Yes!
(08:07:56) Twigga: I am sorry though ros, if that wasn't intentional....
(08:08:02) Rosalyn_J: Teaching two
(08:08:07) Rosalyn_J: Jedi maintain a clear mind; which can be achieved through meditation and contemplation. Our minds can become unduly troubled and concerned with the happenings of the world. We must work on overcoming our individual issues through training and diligence.
(08:09:16) Twigga: I had an idea last night about this, which came from my own IP experiences, and will be sharing at IP study Hall tomorrow evening...
(08:09:44) Twigga: ... So I don't want to spill the beans too soon.
(08:09:57) thomaswfaulkner: Yesterday life gave me a living testimony of this teaching...
(08:10:21) Twigga: But, I think meditation is an essential practice. Wanna share Thomas?
(08:10:58) thomaswfaulkner: I had myself a good cry because with how busy the day was yesterday, I felt a bit overwhelmed with everything that happened yesterday. It's not like I was bottling emotions, but it was a busy day.
(08:11:16) Twigga: *hugs*
(08:11:22) thomaswfaulkner: And to that busy day, relaxation wasn't an option because I had school, and other stuff too
(08:11:32) thomaswfaulkner: I just wanted to rest.
(08:12:07) thomaswfaulkner: I shared this with my wife and she helped me work through a lot of the stuff that I was going through
(08:12:18) thomaswfaulkner: I think it's important to have those moments of pause
(08:12:48) Twigga: *nods*
(08:12:48) thomaswfaulkner: To hit that button and just let the world do it's thing while you just breathe
(08:13:24) Rosalyn_J: thats so true
(08:13:24) thomaswfaulkner: You can bet, though....
(08:13:33) thomaswfaulkner: I'm leaving EARLY TODAY
(08:13:45) thomaswfaulkner: all work and no play leaves Thomas a tired boy
(08:13:47) Rosalyn_J: for sure
(08:13:51) Twigga: *GRIN*
(08:14:10) Twigga: That's a great plan.
(08:14:14) Rosalyn_J: I seem to have had a pretty haarrowing day as well
(08:14:22) Rosalyn_J: I mean yesterday
(08:14:53) Rosalyn_J: 3 appointments and some walk ins and a bunch of paperwork that needed, I say needed to happen
(08:15:13) Rosalyn_J: something in the water?
(08:15:58) Twigga: I have only been able to start explaining my feelings a bit after starting meditating. I think that's made me both an easier and a harder person to live with... But it's still a good thing, and the skills will come.
(08:16:33) thomaswfaulkner: And I think that attitude is so vital to hold, Twig
(08:16:38) thomaswfaulkner: Hope
(08:16:46) thomaswfaulkner: Not those false promises
(08:16:49) Twigga:
(08:17:01) Twigga: I got some good hope folks here.
(08:17:16) Rosalyn_J: yeah, its like anything you do for an extended period of time
(08:17:25) Rosalyn_J: it gets easier
(08:17:54) Rosalyn_J: I will say that this space here has been really helpful
(08:18:30) Rosalyn_J: I haven't found solo meditation to be as effective, because I haven't got a hold of the art of sitting with myself
(08:18:37) Rosalyn_J: its so terribly boring
(08:18:51) Twigga: Yes! Oddly sacred AJAX. Syncro-typing the creed...
(08:19:11) Rosalyn_J: its weird in that way isn't it
(08:19:25) Rosalyn_J: when we got the blue chat down at the bottom it felt odd
(08:19:31) Rosalyn_J: sort of mundane
(08:19:44) Twigga: I think it's a huge skill to be learnt Ros. I now love sitting. Lot better than diving in making a blind mess of things
(08:20:06) Rosalyn_J: its so true
(08:20:06) Twigga: But I think everyone "sits" in different ways.
(08:20:14) Rosalyn_J: right
(08:20:29) Rosalyn_J: meditation o clock is my attempt at sitting
(08:20:40) Twigga:
(08:20:48) Rosalyn_J: so thank you all for being here
(08:20:55) thomaswfaulkner: I get tiny little mouth hugs from ants when I sit.
(08:21:12) Rosalyn_J: aww so nice
(08:21:13) thomaswfaulkner: I love being here Ros, thank you for creating the space
(08:21:21) Twigga: Ha ha ha!
(08:21:38) Twigga: Yes! It's a great thing Ros.
(08:22:18) Twigga: *shakes head* "mouth hugs"...
(08:22:33) Twigga: That's one for the journal.
(08:23:20) thomaswfaulkner: And since I have my precept to not kill
(08:23:27) thomaswfaulkner: You should see me when they bite me
(08:23:33) thomaswfaulkner: I pick them up and scold them
(08:23:39) thomaswfaulkner: then I set them back down
(08:23:42) Twigga:
(08:23:56) thomaswfaulkner: Certifiably crazy to any by-passers
(08:24:11) Twigga: I like that you've gone so far with that Thomas. It's great.
(08:24:44) thomaswfaulkner: Everybody wants to be remembered...the ant has a story to tell that he bit a giant and lived
(08:25:16) Rosalyn_J: you know something, its very interesting to remember your size
(08:25:40) Twigga: I think that's the Jedi difference. Seeing the sacred in all things.
(08:25:40) Rosalyn_J: I say that because I was at karate and there are the worlds tinyest kids there
(08:25:58) Rosalyn_J: and I sort of lumber without thought
(08:26:08) Rosalyn_J: and felt like a giant
(08:26:21) Rosalyn_J: but im like 4 9
(08:26:31) Twigga:
(08:27:07) Rosalyn_J: I'll have to wait for the gaggle to move next time before I deign to put my shoes in the holder
(08:27:43) Twigga: Oops!
(08:28:46) Rosalyn_J: yeah
(08:28:54) Rosalyn_J: so there's that
(08:29:04) Rosalyn_J: anyhow
(08:29:08) Twigga: For me it's about mixing things better than they were when broken.
(08:29:20) Twigga: *fixing
(08:29:21) Rosalyn_J: anymore comments before creed?
(08:29:33) Twigga: It takes time, but it's worth it.
(08:29:34) Rosalyn_J: yes I was quite confused
(08:29:43) Twigga: Creed is good!
(08:29:48) thomaswfaulkner: Ditto
(08:29:55) Rosalyn_J: here we go then
(08:30:00) Rosalyn_J: ---
(08:30:13) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace;
(08:30:25) thomaswfaulkner: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace;
(08:30:30) Twigga: I am a Jedi, an instrument of Peace;
(08:30:46) Rosalyn_J: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(08:30:59) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(08:31:02) Twigga: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(08:31:14) Rosalyn_J: Where there is injury, pardon;
(08:31:24) Twigga: Where there is injury, pardon;
(08:31:24) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is injury, pardon;
(08:31:40) Rosalyn_J: Where there is doubt, faith;
(08:31:54) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is doubt, faith;
(08:31:56) Twigga: Where there is doubt, faith;
(08:32:08) Rosalyn_J: Where there is despair, hope;
(08:32:21) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is despair, hope;
(08:32:28) Twigga: Where there is despair, hope;
(08:32:42) Rosalyn_J: Where there is darkness, light;
(08:32:49) Twigga: Where there is darkness, light;
(08:32:55) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is darkness, light;
(08:33:12) Rosalyn_J: And where there is sadness, joy;
(08:33:24) thomaswfaulkner: And where there is sadness, joy;
(08:33:28) Twigga: And where there is sadness, joy;
(08:34:07) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi.
(08:34:14) thomaswfaulkner: I am a Jedi.
(08:34:21) Twigga: I am a Jedi,
(08:34:38) Rosalyn_J: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(08:34:55) thomaswfaulkner: I shall never seek so much to be consoled, as to console;
(08:35:02) Twigga: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(08:35:17) Rosalyn_J: To be understood as to understand;
(08:35:29) Twigga: To be understood as to understand;
(08:35:31) thomaswfaulkner: To be understood as to understand;
(08:35:48) Rosalyn_J: To be loved as to love;
(08:35:55) Twigga: To be loved as to love;
(08:35:57) thomaswfaulkner: To be loved as to love;
(08:36:12) Rosalyn_J: For it is in giving that we receive;
(08:36:23) thomaswfaulkner: For it is in giving that we receive;
(08:36:31) Twigga: For it is in giving that we receive;
(08:36:45) Rosalyn_J: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(08:37:01) thomaswfaulkner: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(08:37:08) Twigga: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(08:37:27) Rosalyn_J: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(08:37:41) thomaswfaulkner: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(08:37:55) Twigga: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(08:38:16) Rosalyn_J: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(08:38:33) thomaswfaulkner: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(08:38:42) Twigga: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(08:38:51) Rosalyn_J: Thank you both for coming
(08:39:07) Twigga: Thank you again for hosting!
(08:39:08) Rosalyn_J: May the Force be with you all this Jediism day
(08:39:22) Twigga: I loved our stories of giants
(08:39:35) thomaswfaulkner: And with you Ros. Both of you have a beautiful day!
(08:39:38) Twigga: And with you lits Ros and Thomas!
(08:39:52) Twigga: Indeed! I see blue skies...
(08:40:52) Rosalyn_J: @thomas, could you post it?
(08:41:15) thomaswfaulkner: It would be my pleasure.
(08:41:15) Rosalyn_J: I seem to have lost a good chunk of the banter when I got off the bus
(08:41:33) Rosalyn_J: thank you
(08:42:05) Twigga: Not the banter!
(08:42:23) Rosalyn_J: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO​OOOOOOO
(07:57:30) Twigga: Busy day?
(07:57:39) Temple remote: thomaswfaulkner logs into the Chat.
(07:57:46) thomaswfaulkner: Good morning!
(07:57:53) Twigga: *waves*
(07:58:10) Twigga: Morning! Happy Jediism Day!
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(07:59:37) Rosalyn_J: Hot dog
(07:59:55) Twigga: Hot dog !?!
(08:00:08) Rosalyn_J: Hey thomas,twigga
(08:00:15) Twigga: Are we doing secret passwords now?
(08:00:29) Twigga:
Hi Ros!(08:00:50) Rosalyn_J: @twigga exclamation
(08:01:16) Twigga: *puzzled*
(08:01:30) thomaswfaulkner: Mickey Mouse says hot dog!
(08:01:38) thomaswfaulkner: It's like "Oh boy!"
(08:01:43) thomaswfaulkner: Or gee willy wee!
(08:01:45) Rosalyn_J: Its what I say when I'm surprised
(08:01:45) Twigga: Oh! I didn't know that!
(08:02:01) Twigga: He speaks French here...
(08:02:24) thomaswfaulkner: What fun things does he say!?
(08:02:46) Rosalyn_J: Didn't know it was jediism day
(08:03:09) Twigga: Chien chaude, I imagine!
(08:03:27) Twigga: 25th May. Every Year.
(08:03:34) thomaswfaulkner: It's a lovely Jediism day
(08:03:52) Twigga: Solo release day...
(08:04:05) thomaswfaulkner: Book marks!
(08:04:08) Twigga: It was brilliant and I'll say no more.
(08:04:11) thomaswfaulkner:
:D:D:D(08:04:18) Twigga:
yes!(08:04:36) Twigga: Oh I'm pleased they arrived!
(08:04:38) Rosalyn_J: Cool
(08:04:55) Twigga: AND that it's a beautiful day.
(08:05:02) Rosalyn_J: Oh today is the day I cz
(08:05:19) Rosalyn_J: Can open card
(08:05:29) Twigga: Yes!
(08:05:34) Twigga:
(08:05:41) Rosalyn_J: Yay!!!!
(08:05:59) thomaswfaulkner: I opened it yesterday at the turn of the Temple time. RIGHT AT 0:00 hours.
(08:06:12) Rosalyn_J: Many moons have I waited
(08:06:17) Twigga: Was breakfast nice Thomas?
(08:06:33) thomaswfaulkner: What's that? Does coffee count?
(08:06:34) Twigga: Ha ha ha - that's brilliant!
(08:06:52) Rosalyn_J: Right?
(08:07:01) Twigga: I started putting chocolate chips in my muesli mix.
(08:07:05) Rosalyn_J: I drank mine cold
(08:07:22) Twigga: Every day will now have some good in it... Fair trade
(08:07:36) Twigga: Iced coffee is a thing
(08:07:38) Rosalyn_J: OK we've gotta get started
(08:07:47) thomaswfaulkner: Yes!
(08:07:56) Twigga: I am sorry though ros, if that wasn't intentional....
(08:08:02) Rosalyn_J: Teaching two
(08:08:07) Rosalyn_J: Jedi maintain a clear mind; which can be achieved through meditation and contemplation. Our minds can become unduly troubled and concerned with the happenings of the world. We must work on overcoming our individual issues through training and diligence.
(08:09:16) Twigga: I had an idea last night about this, which came from my own IP experiences, and will be sharing at IP study Hall tomorrow evening...
(08:09:44) Twigga: ... So I don't want to spill the beans too soon.
(08:09:57) thomaswfaulkner: Yesterday life gave me a living testimony of this teaching...
(08:10:21) Twigga: But, I think meditation is an essential practice. Wanna share Thomas?
(08:10:58) thomaswfaulkner: I had myself a good cry because with how busy the day was yesterday, I felt a bit overwhelmed with everything that happened yesterday. It's not like I was bottling emotions, but it was a busy day.
(08:11:16) Twigga: *hugs*
(08:11:22) thomaswfaulkner: And to that busy day, relaxation wasn't an option because I had school, and other stuff too
(08:11:32) thomaswfaulkner: I just wanted to rest.
(08:12:07) thomaswfaulkner: I shared this with my wife and she helped me work through a lot of the stuff that I was going through
(08:12:18) thomaswfaulkner: I think it's important to have those moments of pause
(08:12:48) Twigga: *nods*
(08:12:48) thomaswfaulkner: To hit that button and just let the world do it's thing while you just breathe
(08:13:24) Rosalyn_J: thats so true
(08:13:24) thomaswfaulkner: You can bet, though....
(08:13:33) thomaswfaulkner: I'm leaving EARLY TODAY
(08:13:45) thomaswfaulkner: all work and no play leaves Thomas a tired boy
(08:13:47) Rosalyn_J: for sure
(08:13:51) Twigga: *GRIN*
(08:14:10) Twigga: That's a great plan.
(08:14:14) Rosalyn_J: I seem to have had a pretty haarrowing day as well
(08:14:22) Rosalyn_J: I mean yesterday
(08:14:53) Rosalyn_J: 3 appointments and some walk ins and a bunch of paperwork that needed, I say needed to happen
(08:15:13) Rosalyn_J: something in the water?
(08:15:58) Twigga: I have only been able to start explaining my feelings a bit after starting meditating. I think that's made me both an easier and a harder person to live with... But it's still a good thing, and the skills will come.
(08:16:33) thomaswfaulkner: And I think that attitude is so vital to hold, Twig
(08:16:38) thomaswfaulkner: Hope
(08:16:46) thomaswfaulkner: Not those false promises
(08:16:49) Twigga:
(08:17:01) Twigga: I got some good hope folks here.
(08:17:16) Rosalyn_J: yeah, its like anything you do for an extended period of time
(08:17:25) Rosalyn_J: it gets easier
(08:17:54) Rosalyn_J: I will say that this space here has been really helpful
(08:18:30) Rosalyn_J: I haven't found solo meditation to be as effective, because I haven't got a hold of the art of sitting with myself
(08:18:37) Rosalyn_J: its so terribly boring
(08:18:51) Twigga: Yes! Oddly sacred AJAX. Syncro-typing the creed...
(08:19:11) Rosalyn_J: its weird in that way isn't it
(08:19:25) Rosalyn_J: when we got the blue chat down at the bottom it felt odd
(08:19:31) Rosalyn_J: sort of mundane
(08:19:44) Twigga: I think it's a huge skill to be learnt Ros. I now love sitting. Lot better than diving in making a blind mess of things
(08:20:06) Rosalyn_J: its so true
(08:20:06) Twigga: But I think everyone "sits" in different ways.
(08:20:14) Rosalyn_J: right
(08:20:29) Rosalyn_J: meditation o clock is my attempt at sitting
(08:20:40) Twigga:
(08:20:48) Rosalyn_J: so thank you all for being here
(08:20:55) thomaswfaulkner: I get tiny little mouth hugs from ants when I sit.
(08:21:12) Rosalyn_J: aww so nice
(08:21:13) thomaswfaulkner: I love being here Ros, thank you for creating the space
(08:21:21) Twigga: Ha ha ha!
(08:21:38) Twigga: Yes! It's a great thing Ros.
(08:22:18) Twigga: *shakes head* "mouth hugs"...
(08:22:33) Twigga: That's one for the journal.
(08:23:20) thomaswfaulkner: And since I have my precept to not kill
(08:23:27) thomaswfaulkner: You should see me when they bite me
(08:23:33) thomaswfaulkner: I pick them up and scold them
(08:23:39) thomaswfaulkner: then I set them back down
(08:23:42) Twigga:
(08:23:56) thomaswfaulkner: Certifiably crazy to any by-passers
(08:24:11) Twigga: I like that you've gone so far with that Thomas. It's great.
(08:24:44) thomaswfaulkner: Everybody wants to be remembered...the ant has a story to tell that he bit a giant and lived
(08:25:16) Rosalyn_J: you know something, its very interesting to remember your size
(08:25:40) Twigga:
I think that's the Jedi difference. Seeing the sacred in all things.(08:25:40) Rosalyn_J: I say that because I was at karate and there are the worlds tinyest kids there
(08:25:58) Rosalyn_J: and I sort of lumber without thought
(08:26:08) Rosalyn_J: and felt like a giant
(08:26:21) Rosalyn_J: but im like 4 9
(08:26:31) Twigga:
(08:27:07) Rosalyn_J: I'll have to wait for the gaggle to move next time before I deign to put my shoes in the holder
(08:27:43) Twigga: Oops!
(08:28:46) Rosalyn_J: yeah
(08:28:54) Rosalyn_J: so there's that
(08:29:04) Rosalyn_J: anyhow
(08:29:08) Twigga: For me it's about mixing things better than they were when broken.
(08:29:20) Twigga: *fixing
(08:29:21) Rosalyn_J: anymore comments before creed?
(08:29:33) Twigga: It takes time, but it's worth it.
(08:29:34) Rosalyn_J: yes I was quite confused
(08:29:43) Twigga: Creed is good!
(08:29:48) thomaswfaulkner: Ditto
(08:29:55) Rosalyn_J: here we go then
(08:30:00) Rosalyn_J: ---
(08:30:13) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace;
(08:30:25) thomaswfaulkner: I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace;
(08:30:30) Twigga: I am a Jedi, an instrument of Peace;
(08:30:46) Rosalyn_J: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(08:30:59) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(08:31:02) Twigga: Where there is hatred, I shall bring love;
(08:31:14) Rosalyn_J: Where there is injury, pardon;
(08:31:24) Twigga: Where there is injury, pardon;
(08:31:24) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is injury, pardon;
(08:31:40) Rosalyn_J: Where there is doubt, faith;
(08:31:54) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is doubt, faith;
(08:31:56) Twigga: Where there is doubt, faith;
(08:32:08) Rosalyn_J: Where there is despair, hope;
(08:32:21) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is despair, hope;
(08:32:28) Twigga: Where there is despair, hope;
(08:32:42) Rosalyn_J: Where there is darkness, light;
(08:32:49) Twigga: Where there is darkness, light;
(08:32:55) thomaswfaulkner: Where there is darkness, light;
(08:33:12) Rosalyn_J: And where there is sadness, joy;
(08:33:24) thomaswfaulkner: And where there is sadness, joy;
(08:33:28) Twigga: And where there is sadness, joy;
(08:34:07) Rosalyn_J: I am a Jedi.
(08:34:14) thomaswfaulkner: I am a Jedi.
(08:34:21) Twigga: I am a Jedi,
(08:34:38) Rosalyn_J: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(08:34:55) thomaswfaulkner: I shall never seek so much to be consoled, as to console;
(08:35:02) Twigga: I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
(08:35:17) Rosalyn_J: To be understood as to understand;
(08:35:29) Twigga: To be understood as to understand;
(08:35:31) thomaswfaulkner: To be understood as to understand;
(08:35:48) Rosalyn_J: To be loved as to love;
(08:35:55) Twigga: To be loved as to love;
(08:35:57) thomaswfaulkner: To be loved as to love;
(08:36:12) Rosalyn_J: For it is in giving that we receive;
(08:36:23) thomaswfaulkner: For it is in giving that we receive;
(08:36:31) Twigga: For it is in giving that we receive;
(08:36:45) Rosalyn_J: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(08:37:01) thomaswfaulkner: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(08:37:08) Twigga: It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
(08:37:27) Rosalyn_J: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(08:37:41) thomaswfaulkner: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(08:37:55) Twigga: And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
(08:38:16) Rosalyn_J: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(08:38:33) thomaswfaulkner: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(08:38:42) Twigga: The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
(08:38:51) Rosalyn_J: Thank you both for coming
(08:39:07) Twigga: Thank you again for hosting!
(08:39:08) Rosalyn_J: May the Force be with you all this Jediism day
(08:39:22) Twigga: I loved our stories of giants
(08:39:35) thomaswfaulkner: And with you Ros. Both of you have a beautiful day!
(08:39:38) Twigga: And with you lits Ros and Thomas!
(08:39:52) Twigga: Indeed! I see blue skies...
(08:40:52) Rosalyn_J: @thomas, could you post it?
(08:41:15) thomaswfaulkner: It would be my pleasure.
(08:41:15) Rosalyn_J: I seem to have lost a good chunk of the banter when I got off the bus
(08:41:33) Rosalyn_J: thank you
(08:42:05) Twigga: Not the banter!
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(06:02:44) Rosalyn_J: heya
(06:02:59) Twigga: Hi!
(06:03:16) Rosalyn_J: I know youve got an errand so whats say we get started
(06:03:33) Twigga: Thanks...
(06:04:12) Rosalyn_J: Jedi are wary of attachments, both material and personal. The obsession over possessions and people creates the fear of losing those possessions and relationships which can cause ourselves to be trapped in a state of depression and loss.
(06:04:25) Rosalyn_J: Here is a hard teaching for me
(06:04:27) Twigga: Ugh. My bugbear!
(06:04:34) Rosalyn_J: what are your thoughts?
(06:05:00) Twigga: I think I've decided ideas are attachments too...
(06:05:12) Rosalyn_J: to be sure
(06:05:23) Twigga: ... And those are more of an issue for me than people or possessions.
(06:06:08) Rosalyn_J: if you ever get around to it, Krishnamurti's freedom from the known may help there
(06:06:34) Rosalyn_J: It had never occured to me that ideas were attachments before reading his set of talks
(06:06:48) Twigga: I can tidy my house, and have great, balanced relationships, and still not be 'there' with this teaching. Ah cool! Roll on Seminary, eh?
(06:07:05) Twigga: *nods*
(06:07:29) Rosalyn_J: what I have also come to realize is that "connections" are not the same as attachments
(06:07:41) Rosalyn_J: attachments are about possessing
(06:07:46) Rosalyn_J: me, my mine
(06:07:59) Rosalyn_J: connection is all about the space between
(06:08:05) Rosalyn_J: we need connection
(06:08:07) Twigga: Ah - good point.
(06:08:22) Rosalyn_J: I don't know that we need possession
(06:08:41) Rosalyn_J: any other thoughts?
(06:08:58) Twigga: We need to use homes and mattresses, and bowls and spoons... But we can connect to use, not possess.
(06:09:20) Rosalyn_J: we also need connections with people
(06:09:37) Rosalyn_J: but I have seen those turn sour
(06:09:53) Twigga: Nice... Nothing new. I like this connecting way of "owning things" and "having relationships".
(06:09:55) Rosalyn_J: its almost like a continuum I guess
(06:10:17) Twigga: Yes... Relationships are tricky
(06:10:27) Rosalyn_J: between connection and attachment which is unhealthy
(06:10:55) Rosalyn_J: the way that we speak about the other person can connote where we are there
(06:11:07) Rosalyn_J: "I can't live without you"
(06:11:27) Rosalyn_J: or even "I don't need..."
(06:11:54) Rosalyn_J: unattachment is also, I think, unhealthy
(06:12:04) Rosalyn_J: it can lead to isolation
(06:12:22) Rosalyn_J: as I have seen in myself I suppose
(06:12:58) Rosalyn_J: so its not necessisarly that Jedi do not HAVE attachments, just that we are warry of them
(06:13:14) Twigga: Yes.
(06:13:28) Rosalyn_J: which to me means constantly examining where we are on that continuum
(06:13:35) Twigga: And agree re: non attachment being risky too.
(06:14:00) Twigga: I will need a while to think about the continuum idea.
(06:14:10) Twigga: It's possible.
(06:14:17) Rosalyn_J: it may not be "right"
(06:14:27) Rosalyn_J: its just what popped into my head
(06:14:54) Twigga: It might not be right for everyone. Might be right for someone else reading this.
(06:15:05) Twigga:
(06:15:05) Rosalyn_J: makes sense
(06:15:19) Rosalyn_J: anyhow I know we've got just a little time left
(06:15:24) Rosalyn_J: ready for the creed?
(06:15:45) Twigga: Can we creed it up in our hearts? I should be sure not to be late for my appointment...
(06:15:56) Rosalyn_J: sure
(06:16:04) Rosalyn_J: lets do that
(06:16:10) Twigga: ... I will be very much with you in forcey-ness...
(06:16:15) Twigga:
(06:16:17) Rosalyn_J:
(06:16:24) Rosalyn_J: Force be with you
(06:16:34) Twigga: Have a lovely day Ros!
(06:16:42) Twigga: Thanks for hosting!
(06:17:13) Temple remote: Twigga logs out of the Chat.
(06:02:59) Twigga: Hi!
(06:03:16) Rosalyn_J: I know youve got an errand so whats say we get started
(06:03:33) Twigga:
Thanks...(06:04:12) Rosalyn_J: Jedi are wary of attachments, both material and personal. The obsession over possessions and people creates the fear of losing those possessions and relationships which can cause ourselves to be trapped in a state of depression and loss.
(06:04:25) Rosalyn_J: Here is a hard teaching for me
(06:04:27) Twigga: Ugh. My bugbear!
(06:04:34) Rosalyn_J: what are your thoughts?
(06:05:00) Twigga: I think I've decided ideas are attachments too...
(06:05:12) Rosalyn_J: to be sure
(06:05:23) Twigga: ... And those are more of an issue for me than people or possessions.
(06:06:08) Rosalyn_J: if you ever get around to it, Krishnamurti's freedom from the known may help there
(06:06:34) Rosalyn_J: It had never occured to me that ideas were attachments before reading his set of talks
(06:06:48) Twigga: I can tidy my house, and have great, balanced relationships, and still not be 'there' with this teaching. Ah cool! Roll on Seminary, eh?
(06:07:05) Twigga: *nods*
(06:07:29) Rosalyn_J: what I have also come to realize is that "connections" are not the same as attachments
(06:07:41) Rosalyn_J: attachments are about possessing
(06:07:46) Rosalyn_J: me, my mine
(06:07:59) Rosalyn_J: connection is all about the space between
(06:08:05) Rosalyn_J: we need connection
(06:08:07) Twigga: Ah - good point.
(06:08:22) Rosalyn_J: I don't know that we need possession
(06:08:41) Rosalyn_J: any other thoughts?
(06:08:58) Twigga: We need to use homes and mattresses, and bowls and spoons... But we can connect to use, not possess.
(06:09:20) Rosalyn_J: we also need connections with people
(06:09:37) Rosalyn_J: but I have seen those turn sour
(06:09:53) Twigga: Nice... Nothing new. I like this connecting way of "owning things" and "having relationships".
(06:09:55) Rosalyn_J: its almost like a continuum I guess
(06:10:17) Twigga: Yes... Relationships are tricky
(06:10:27) Rosalyn_J: between connection and attachment which is unhealthy
(06:10:55) Rosalyn_J: the way that we speak about the other person can connote where we are there
(06:11:07) Rosalyn_J: "I can't live without you"
(06:11:27) Rosalyn_J: or even "I don't need..."
(06:11:54) Rosalyn_J: unattachment is also, I think, unhealthy
(06:12:04) Rosalyn_J: it can lead to isolation
(06:12:22) Rosalyn_J: as I have seen in myself I suppose
(06:12:58) Rosalyn_J: so its not necessisarly that Jedi do not HAVE attachments, just that we are warry of them
(06:13:14) Twigga: Yes.
(06:13:28) Rosalyn_J: which to me means constantly examining where we are on that continuum
(06:13:35) Twigga: And agree re: non attachment being risky too.
(06:14:00) Twigga: I will need a while to think about the continuum idea.
(06:14:10) Twigga: It's possible.
(06:14:17) Rosalyn_J: it may not be "right"
(06:14:27) Rosalyn_J: its just what popped into my head
(06:14:54) Twigga: It might not be right for everyone. Might be right for someone else reading this.
(06:15:05) Twigga:
(06:15:05) Rosalyn_J: makes sense
(06:15:19) Rosalyn_J: anyhow I know we've got just a little time left
(06:15:24) Rosalyn_J: ready for the creed?
(06:15:45) Twigga: Can we creed it up in our hearts? I should be sure not to be late for my appointment...
(06:15:56) Rosalyn_J: sure
(06:16:04) Rosalyn_J: lets do that
(06:16:10) Twigga: ... I will be very much with you in forcey-ness...
(06:16:15) Twigga:
(06:16:17) Rosalyn_J:
(06:16:24) Rosalyn_J: Force be with you
(06:16:34) Twigga: Have a lovely day Ros!
(06:16:42) Twigga: Thanks for hosting!
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