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    • The TOTJO Liturgical Calendar (Last post by Alethea Thompson)
    • I think ritual objects should be personal to an individual, not to their theological collective. Anyways, as for ceremony, the Jedi Mystic Curriculum (which is a Force Academy and Jedi Federation path) has a ceremonial component to it- but there are only three ceremonies that are established: Trial of Spirit, Knighting Ceremony and Labyrinth of Release. The rest, as per Akkarin's suggestion, are going to be added as they are needed and developed, or they will become something that is personal to the Mystic's practice. All of this is to say: ToTJO may find that adding a ceremonial component become of less value without a real purpose behind it. All three of ours has a specific purpose. Trial of Spirit: Given to test whether or not someone is ready to proceed to the knighting board, and ultimately the ceremony. Must be given in person. Knighting Ceremony: Becoming a Knight Labyrinth of Release: To help someone move on from death, a relationship, as part of letting go of addiction, etc. Basically anything that you would want/need to release from your life.
    • J and K (Last post by Streen)
    • Also one of my favorite scenes. I get tired of scientists thinking they have things figured out, which is I think what K was alluding to. Imagine what we'll "know" 500 years from now...
    • School of Life Short lessons (Last post by Vusuki)
    • It's been a while... so here's a couple of horrors! *for all you with parents (everyone i would think?) and all you with or surrounded by kids. Enjoy! :D
    • Why do people here feel unimportant? (Last post by Whyte Horse)
    • I'd just like to add that I don't feel unimportant here. The council takes my posts very seriously and I can change totjo by saying something. It isn't like anything I've experienced before. There are some real stand-up people who are committed and will make the changes if needed.
    • The problem is the personal, and solitary aspects ... (Last post by Whyte Horse)
    • I can relate to what you're saying. Totjo is a very powerful tool for self-improvement. Beyond that, I don't know... It's like, OK so what's next? Many people disappear for a while and go on hero's journeys. Me, I'm like "hey let's form a rescue squad" or something like that. I get really beat up for it when I mention words like paramilitary, etc. but who cares right? We follow our hearts to the end. It's who we are. Some people go and do bake sales, others go on cross-country walks, and a few go march into hell and come back with refugees. We all have strengths and apply ourselves in that manner. In fact, I've been told outright that totjo will not support any type of vigilante superhero thingy and it's strictly for legal reasons. So we have to operate outside of the church and not seek protection from it. So don't give up just yet, but rather take the path that you know will take you to self-actualization. Quote: I knew that would get your attention, So I received an email asking not to post but to read through the posts about the clergy change, adi's posts, and of the feeling unimportant threads and what I thought about it all having been one of the recent Jedi that left for a while. I decided after reading through it all I would make this one post…granted its one big post, but this one post, and leave it for whatever comes of it. The first thoughts that ran through my mind after reading through all of this wasn’t so much on how true or what points were made, or who said what. It rather came down to thinking about where I was over a year ago, how I transitioned over the months etc. What were the things that held me back, what misconceptions about everything was a wall to climb over to having a better understanding etc. I’ve come to the conclusion there are 2 big problems that this temple actually handles both well and poorly. One of the advantages of this temple over the others is its open-mindedness. It does a good job of allowing just about anyone to be here even if they don’t follow the exact specific way that the temple teaches jediism, that feedback from other paths are still useful for discussions and learning. The disadvantage to this is a false sense of security that even though your path is not quite what the TOTJO envisions for the IP and knighthood that your positions and views and opinions carry a specific amount of weight. We get the false impression that the temple is about jediism as a whole, when it really does have its own specific version of the path and teachings, and there is a wave of conflict between the two that not everyone sees. I can see this more easily now having been out of the picture and following my own path. The other is the solitary experience of training, you have to go through the IP for lots of perfectly valid reasons but you do so alone, you aren’t really alone, but you are! Only in the sense you can discuss the ip with other students any time you want, but your not really placed in a situation or an environment where you can easily have those discussions along side other students who are in the same place as you etc. Especially when we all come in at different times, and learn at different speeds etc. A lot of the new members who come in, are still trying to learn the basics, they may or may not know there are many different paths out there, they may or may not know that the path that TOTJO teaches currently is the one that really fits them until they have time to actually try on the shoes and see how they work. I mean you can buy shoes, they fit, and you buy and wear them, but a few weeks later they really start bothering you something fierce and you go and return them and try something else. It can be very easy to fall into the hole that is sticking with it because someone sais it’s a good set of shoes and not being able to speak your mind about them because you don’t know if its going to work out or if your own opinions on the matter really carry any weight. There is such a where am I, what is going on, is my understanding of this new path really the new path, am I going to get this wrong/write etc? I certainly remember being in that situation where every couple weeks I have a repeat “ah ha” or eureka moment where I would be completely revisiting the big picture of what jediism is and what it is for me. I can’t imagine that it’s any different for any other newer members, and that can be a hard thing for them, was a hard thing for some of the other new members who joined when I did, when we had some of the same discussions. Some of that has been present and obvious in a few of my earlier blog videos that I’ve since made private. I think everyone has taken the wrong approach to the problem of not being heard or not being understood etc. Everyone has been trying to figure out how to solve a problem that I don’t think anyone really understands what the problem is. I don’t see the problem as not being heard, nor listened to. I don’t see a problem of ignorance on the upper staff as much as it Is ignorance of us as learners. Yes I called myself ignorant and I think most of us are that come into jediism. I mean who are we to think we’re not ignorant were only just starting to learn about this stuff as we come into our own paths and here we are claiming we know better. I liked the post where J & K where it sais how we have these epiphany’s and need to constantly wonder, how our beliefs and our view are going to blown away and changed tomorrow? The fact of the matter is until you have a few years experience and really have had the time to explore and understand jediism to some extent you may never truly know if this system will work or not, or if there are any huge flaws in it. For those who stay and do the IP and become knighthood you likely did so because you agree to the system and the beliefs and the path that is laid out, and thus won’t find any problems in it. Which is where you end up with the divide between those who think its fine and are doing right and those who do honestly believe there are problems. If they aren’t truly aware yet of what those problems actually are. If you read that last paragraph and think I’ve targeted you specifically, you are among the group I am targeting, not because I think your wrong, but because you think you are incapable of being wrong. You may be right but you taking defense of the last paragraph is just a possible proof that your gut reaction is to not quickly checking yourself and at least considering the idea that you could be wrong. You could be right, and hey go for it, but to assume you are not ,and not assume that maybe everything you learned or learned about any given topic doesn’t have another valid point of view, or that you may not have had all the knowledge and perspectives necessary to see what the actual truth is the foundation of closed-mindedness, which is what we as jedi should strive to avoid. If we we’re truly open-minded as Jedi, if that was an aspect to strive for in our quest for knowledge understanding and the eventual wisdom we hope to gain, there would be no accusing, there would be no defensive stances, there would be no giant arguments, nor disrespect. As a point Opie once made, if Jedi would be Jedi, there would be none of these things. We all have different points of views and they will vary from person to person, the community of like-minded individuals is what defines the community itself. I’m also not saying you have to second guess every decision, but I am saying you should review every decision. This is actually a big lesson in EMS, you run a 911 call to the best of your ability on what you know, learned, trained and experienced. You may have done it for 10 years even, but if you think anyone doesn’t sit down after every single call and think what they could have done differently and or better, you are crazy. The moment you don’t do that, is the moment you will kill someone. The same lesson can apply, you do what you believe and follow in, but if you aren’t always reviewing if that was the best thing or not, then you are not going to learn from your own experiences to better yourself. TOTJO has done a good job of creating and pooling together a community around the doctrine the IP and so on, and even though it includes members who don’t always agree with the doctrine and views of TOTJO they still provide very good conversations, discussions, and contributions because they do have different perspectives on any given subject. But I think when people first find TOTJO they see it as a home, but they may not realize that their own path they find, may not be the path that TOTJO has set out and followed as a community. This is where it can be frustrating, and where I think a lot of people have problems, they have good suggestions for changes and things they would like to see. This is really for their own path and how they believe and see jediism should be. As a result you end up with some conflicts of views and listen vs not listen as those who have climbed the trees and gone into clergy or knighthood have done so on the path that a number of others have followed and it is something that works for them, why change it for someone else? You can get in the argument that br john had pointed out of if this isn’t your cup of tea there are other communities out there that might be better aligned with your views. The big point to be made here is that no one really knows their own views, until they have done this awhile. It could be painful to be a part of a great community, figure out where your path is going and how you want to live it, or follow it to improve yourself to be a part of something greater, and find out that path isn’t necessarily in-line with this great community. Though anyone is free to stick around and still contribute as regular members, or even as guests. For some members, there may not even really be a group of people that really follow the same or similar path that works for you. The problem is TOTJO teaches how each path is their own, but also groups a pile of very well written life lessons and goals and moralities to live by together, and their own way of achieving those, which is a path in itself that might stray from the individual path it initially teaches. Rather than an exercise of posting what you think is wrong, or even saying hey what is right, let’s do an exercise that better help fill the idea of people are expecting. Jestor or Edan, or even Rosalyn, I charge one of you or someone more willing with the task of creating a thread to the following(because this is off-topic from this post): Create a thread that asks what is someone’s Ideal Jedi Temple, digital or physical or otherwise? Describe what it would be like to go from an initiate all the way up to potentially one day a master. How long it would take, what kind of lessons would you teach(like topics etc), how you would do those teachings, what you would expect of those learning vs those teaching etc. As an example here would be my response: My ideal temple, would be one where you start out as a “learner” rank where you do some introductory course work. Not something extensive like the IP is now, but a basic history of jediism itself, where it came from, how it evolved, what groups exist out there (because this is important, you can’t teach someone to follow their own path and then not share the possibilities of paths out there). After some paperwork that might take at most a month for even the average person they can start taking “class courses”. This would be in a similar setup as the 100 days of discipline teams, these are courses of a specific length (ie 30/60/90 day) courses that knights would teach when they were available, and start when they are available etc. Each of these courses would have a # of people wanting to take this same course, so lets say it’s a course on meditation, you might be in a group or class of 20-30 or even 5, and you have a place where you can chat daily to each other, discuss with others who are at a similar place on their paths to understanding jediism etc. You have some friends and daily discussions as well as lessons periodically though-out this time period from the knight him or herself as well. You aren’t in a battle of the general discussions and wide range of view points. You can more personally work with individuals more privately and get some more in-depth conversations of how each person does their own meditation in their own way. These classes would NOT teach you how to do YOUR meditation, they will teach you the concepts, goals, effects of meditation, and teach you how to find ways to figure out your own meditation in the way it works for you. All of the courses that you would take would be designed around learning the concepts of wisdom, peace, chaos, order, emotion, serenity, etc etc, meditation, maybe even some elective ones on lightsaber combat or fitness etc. After a certain amount of credits or completions of required “courses” which may consume a year or so of study you would be another rank, say novice or initiate or what have you. From there you would be a glorified Jedi or higher up jedi, and you could choose to aim for knight hood in the TOTJO specific doctrine and lessons(finishing the IP and apprenticeship as it is now), or remain where you are but have had an experience of actually still working with knights and a smaller portion of the community on a more personal level, instead of being thrusted into your own studies and hope for the best to finish it. It would also show that you have learned and understood some of the basic jediism concepts that applies to the majority of the possible paths out there going through that more initial program to help find your path and find yourself, then decide if the totjo knight-hood is for you. ----- But that’s My ideal temple setup, it may not be ideal for everyone else, it may not even be practical as of right now. The idea of that exercise is to maybe identify that maybe a number of individual ideas match up or maybe some idea’s will come of that, where a lot of people will agree on or like enough to warrant trying a change out to see if it will work for the temple or maybe work for a different project altogether. I have all the technical knowledge and ability to create my own website to do everything I put above, but I just don’t have the time, and experience to do so. I want to figure out my own path some more before I would even consider attempting to participate in that. Perhaps though if people post what they think they would look for and everyone respects everyones opinions and views of it all, we can have a positive discussion of some possibilities or at least some better perspectives of where everyone is coming from which might be insightful for understanding why they feel how they feel. That’s my 5 page rant, and back onto my journey I go! Hope this was helpful, and may the force be with you all!
    • White Privilege (Last post by OB1Shinobi)
    • thanks to those who have responded - i wrote a paper for sociology (it is a RESPONSE paper to a paper that another student wrote) its over a thousand words and i dont really expect you guys to read it but I thought i would post it anyway This is not perfectly edited but its a little better i think than my usual ramblings here ----- My critique of the "White Privilege" movement ”White Privilege” is basically just complaining about the personal thoughts that individual people have in their individual heads: individual perception is something that we all have a right to, something that cuts both ways, and most importantly, is something that you are never going to be able to control in a nation as large and diverse as America. Complaining about white privilege is much like complaining that gummy bears are more popular than jolly ranchers, or that the Cowboys are more popular than the Buccaneers, its a complaint about personal perception - its not focused on specific laws or policies. Where it does focus on tangibles, it does so in the most immature and useless way possible. Let me explain why this entire movement is absolutely childish and ineffective: if you don't like where a product is located in a grocery store, you go and talk to the manager of the store. If you want to see darker colored band aids, write a letter to band aid company! DUH BRO! Talk to the people who make the band aids man you don't have to break the internet with whiny self righteous finger pointing against an entire race of people. you know what, I did a google search for "best selling dildos" you cant tell me that blacks arent represented in the commercial market. To all the misguided but (maybe) well meaning social justice warriors out there: if you see something that should be changed, get off of YOUR ass and do something to change it - either start your own band aid company, or get a conversation going with the people who make the band aids, dont run around demanding some anonymous "privileged person" do it for you, complaining that they havent done it already. Youre the one who cares, you take the initiative to Write some emails and make some phone calls. Get your friends to talk write emails and make phone calls. Matter of fact, come talk to me and I'LL even write some emails and make some phone calls. I actually think its a good idea and something id be willing to get behind. But I am not going to feel bad that i havent already already done it. Thats just crazy. Whining on the internet does not make you an activist, voicing a complaint is not at all the same thing as working for a solution. I am an activist, and have been for years - i have worked for the florida consumer action network and telefund fundraising corp, both organizations which promote racial, gender, and orientation equality, consumer rights and environmental protection. The only thing that comes close to representing a solution to racial inequality is the admonition to “use your white privilege to promote equality”. Which is a great idea, but youre missing two things. First, I already do that, and you talking down to me is not evidence that i am privileged but that you are -- not aware of everything that you should be aware of before coming at me with this kind of rhetoric. The second, is that you need to take out the words “white privilege” and replace them with something like “personal sphere of influence”. Lets compare two sentences: Heres the first one: "All you white people need to be using your unfair WHITE PRIVILEGE to promote equality" Heres the second one: "As responsible citizens, each of us should use our own personal spheres of influence to promote equality" The difference between the two is astounding: first of all, everyone has a personal sphere of influence, regardless of race or economic status. And to speak of it like this makes us all responsible to a part of a unified movement to make the world better. It makes us all responsible for promoting equality and it puts us all on the same side, with the criteria for inclusion being what we do with our influence, not what race we were born into. Understand: the white privilege campaign lumps all white people together in accordance to no criteria other than race – which is the very definition of racism – and it suggests that we are all equally guilty of inequalities of a racists society. Which is not the case. Equality requires unity - If you want to promote equality then you need to promote unity, and attacking me with white privilege does not unify, it divides. PERIOD. You can tell me that I should just accept that I am privileged and superior and therefore responsible but I am always going to tell you to shove it. You are responsible for working towards whatever changes you think should happen, and if you want my help then you will kindly keep you finger out of my butt crack. As soon as you start pointing your fingers to my butt crack, telling me that i am guilty of or responsible for fixing all of the injustices of the whole damn system, we are divided. Not to mention that white privilege suggests that the success of every single successful white person is attributable more to the fact that they are white, than the fact that they worked hard to achieve their goals over time, and made their decisions carefully and responsibly. Which is extremely insulting as well as untrue. I guarantee you that I have to work hard and make smart decisions if I want to be successful, and that when I have failed to do this, it has resulted in a lot of suffering. Last, the white privilege people are focused on the wrong part of the problem. Simply speaking: the issue is not that one group has too much privilege, but that some groups don’t have enough. Your ficusing on the wrong thing Going back to the band aids - are you complaining because the band aids in the store that "look white"? Or are you complaining that there arent enough that look black? Do you see the difference here? Lest talk about the police and the economy: police definitely do kill more blacks than whites, and there are employers who would rather hire whites than blacks - ok so are you suggesting that cops should kill more white people and employers should stop hiring white people? Or are you saying that police should not be allowed to use more violence than necessary to conduct an arrest and that they should only arrest people who are actually breaking the law, and that everyone who is willing to work should be able to find a job? Because I am totally with you on the second, but obviously I'm going to fight you to hell and back over the first. So think about what you want to accomplish here, learn how to isolate the actual problem, and work to bring people together in order to solve it. As a nation, we dont need to reduce the privileges of those who have it, we need to increase privileges for those who dont have enough, which is what REAL civil rights activists have been working to accomplish for generations, and leads me to my final point. Status and influence in America is determined more by money than any other single factor. If you really want to increase racial and social equality in America, the answer is in education and economic opportunity. It isnt band aids and it isnt white guilt. It is actually in the social, academic, political and economic success of minorities - one black man who owns and successfully runs his own company (and will be able to hire whoever he wants to) and one single black professor who affects literally thousands of students in her career, will do more for racial equality in america than all the finger pointing cyberbabies on tindr and reddit combined.
    • Adventure and excitement? (Last post by Manu)
    • I think the original movie quote lists adventute and excitement in the context of "escapade"... escaping reality. That is why Yoda also says of Luke "always with his eyes on the horizon, never on where he was". The danger then, is getting caught up in the escape and losing on participating in the moment. "Keep your attention in the here and now where they belong" - Qui Gon Jinn
    • Citizens with guns (Last post by Rahzai)
    • Just a small thing here before I start, I can't speak for law enforcement, but u.s. military personnel are trained to shoot in pairs, not three round bursts. I am very pro-2nd amendmen. Why? To start with, I am female, and thus am, on average, smaller and not as strong as a number of my male counterpart. Do I think only women should carry? No, every law-abiding citizens should have that right. Moving on to rounds, I don't see a huge benefit in limiting legal access to large magazines. I also support hollow-points for a couple reasons; less likely to exit and possibly hit someone I don't want to, and yes, I will admit that I would rather a dead attacker than a live one at the end of the confrontation. Why? For starters, we live in a lawsuit-happy country where robbers have successfully sued the homeowners they were trying to rob. Plus, while this may seem paranoid, I don't want to possibly be looking over my shoulder once they're released. On a different topic here, if we were ever to legalize the genocide of a group, through vote or executive order, I'd be joining the rebellion.
    • Aqua`s Art Gallery (Last post by Aqua)
    • One field horse: If there is room, display yourself and ask feel the idea, and its risk move around it to look at it is it unknown round and very large share the question, with your thoughts feel uncertain decide to ride it feel it coming, embrace the moment let it move, like a horse straight across the fields Aqua, 30-04-2016
    • TOTJO Clergy Structure (Last post by Edan)
    • As long as the person volunteering believes they can keep it up I don't mind who does it. Anyway, I'm not one who can demand anyone be of rank any more :P
    • Initiation programme (Last post by Rahzai)
    • The mythology I find myself following is Norse, though like others have stated, I don't necessarily believe there is a giant snake encircling our world, or giant wolves chasing the sun and Moon. I will, however, offer prayers to gods and goddesses in hopes of influencing an action (best example I have is my friends and I offering prayers to Loki, who is the Norse god of fire, when we were having trouble lighting the grill)
    • Harriet Tubman to be on new US $20 bill (Last post by Goken)
    • Quote: Or, we could just leave things alone and stop being overly sensative to things that were created years ago. We have enough BS to deal with. The images on paper is not worth all this attention. I am inclined to agree that there are more pressing matters. But I think it is still important. What is on our money is literally a depiction of what we value as a country. Now I'm a white male so my entire life when I've seen money I've seen myself represented as part of the demographic that this country values, even if I only thought that subconsciously. I can't say for sure, but I'm willing to bet that there are people of minorities out there who, when looking at the currency of the nation that they live in, feel under valued. These are the people that we respect enough to put on the very thing that has the most value in society and they are all old, rich, white guys. And the guy we're discussing replacing is not exactly known for all of his great deeds. Granted, this could all also be a bigger deal to me because I work at a bank so stuff involving our money is kind of on the forefront of things I worry about. :laugh:
    • Meditation Tracks - 94 Minutes on Dagobah (Last post by Cayce)
    • So I just saw this pop up on my newsfeed while I was sipping tea on a break at work. I've been listening to it for a bit now, and it's utterly wonderful. Super chill, high quality, varied sounds... really want to try meditating with this on later. Thought those of us in the temple who meditate, may get a kick out of this! I love background loops.

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